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The Voice

This thread is about the Voice.
You have not been able to show how the points you have raised are consistent with what is known.
And your attempts at deflection do you no favours.

And more of my points -

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship......the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based.

 
Workers in Capital Territory are Australia’s highest paid workers while Tasmania has the lowest average salary.
Workers in the ACT have the highest percentage of post secondary qualifications and the highest percentage of post graduate degrees.
But this has nothing to do with the Voice.
 
You have not been able to show that the points of others which you are now claiming as yours are consist with the Voice.
 
Some statistics from the 2021 Census, real stats just for a change

There were 159,843 couples where one or more of the partners were ATSI

130,514 (81.7%) of them were couples where only one partner was ATSI

The place with the lowest mixed race partners was NT (71.8%), the place with the highest was ACT(94.2%), Vict was 93.7%

Makes me wonder just who the Voice is needed for, city folk are doing just fine around here.

I would suggest that Australia is doing rather well with assimilation by choice, it would follow that the next generation will be even integrated into modern society.

This Does Not mean that culture and beliefs need to forgotten, most cultures treasure their history, I think most people are quite interested in their local tribal lore.

I know a lot more than most but only because of past friendships and I am quite happy to see ATSI displays at local events etc
 
Makes me wonder just who the Voice is needed for, city folk are doing just fine around here.
Your data have zip, nil, zero and nothing to do with why the Voice is being proposed.
I would suggest that Australia is doing rather well with assimilation by choice, it would follow that the next generation will be even integrated into modern society.
FYI assimilation and integration are opposites.
I know a lot more than most but only because of past friendships and I am quite happy to see ATSI displays at local events etc
But you seem unaware of the data relating to why the Voice came about!
 
You have not been able to show that the points of others which you are now claiming as yours are consist with the Voice.

And more of the points that I agree with -

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship......the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based.

 
Does anyone else see the projection in Thakur's piece?
All those imagined spooks.
Half baked inuendo.

Looking at it critically? Paid by the word tosh by someone looking to pay for some dental work? or hair transplant? or whatever... but it's the Specator so? what do you expect....
that said, cruel and off-handed as it is; Tom Switzers RN broardcast CounterPoint just last week(late May 2023) is well worth a listen.

oh and W-anale (did I spell that rigth? dyslexsia what a gift it is) ; I know it stings... try some anusol? proctlean ?? you know the stuff .... stick your finger in a little, give it a wriggle. Might help....
 
Subtle is better, B-orr. Crass losses points.

A knowledge of phonetics is good too, hence I would have lost the "e".
Personally I would've thought w-anaL might have been quite funny. But you blew it in the delivery.

Fail.

Give me a call, always happy to give a loser a hand up
 
Wassn't the plead to stay on topic?
John De is very comfortable with Thakur's 'in 'endo's...

Anal your off topic 'hands up' reference?? 'ooohhh' ( total post) just makes me queasy.

and.... Wiemar Repulic era, Bauhaus... less is better. But lets not stray into unknown cultural regions that disturb the natives.

Thakur .... tosh
Why was it needed to reposted 3x... I suppose you have too when your insecurity blanket is so thread bare...
 
Well I'm having second thoughts as to whether the voice will get up, I thought it was a shoe in.
But when you have @rederob having difficulty articulating the issue and @orr trying to abuse all and sundry into submission, maybe it isn't a done deal.

Time will tell, meanwhile anyone having trouble with hemorrhoids and or anal insertions, please contact @orr for instructions on how to proceed, he obviously is well practiced in the procedures from his personal experience.
Maybe he could become the resident ASF proctologist, as with most doctors his writing is illegible, so he is well on his way. ?
So don't forget, if you need anything anally weird answered, at orr's you man, orr you might be doing it wrong bum bum, I mean boom boom .

From @orr post#1087:
I know it stings... try some anusol? proctlean ?? you know the stuff .... stick your finger in a little, give it a wriggle. Might help....
 
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Looks as if The Voice is losing ground . My NO vote will be the swaying vote i feel.
 
Your skill in discussion is so good that you have persuaded me 100% to vote NO. Thank you, I will now pass this onto all I know.

redrob & co. have unwittingly hurt the Yes campaign with their moral blackmail and egotistical debating skills.

Eschewing moral blackmail is vital. If voters feel shamed into voting yes, the referendum is doomed. Moralisation around the “right side of history” and “decolonisation” is dangerous. Complicating agendas for reparations, political sovereignty, treaty and truth need to be parked.
The core of the referendum must be an appeal from Indigenous to non-Indigenous Australia, in all goodwill, and indeed love. It must firmly put past disadvantage without rancour, current disadvantage with cooperative insistence, and future opportunity with shared hope and confidence.
This will require discipline, co-operation and forbearance on the Yes side. No one owns the referendum. No one is its hero. No one, let alone the Australian people, are monsters.
Nor can we afford a campaign complicated, vexed, egotistical and divided. Uncertainty and division are the lifeblood of any No campaign.

 
I agree with Greg Cravens analysis John Dee. IMV spot on. Right tone. Right concept. Hopefully it gets well picked up by the YES campaign.

It is nuanced. Its practical, realistic . I think Greg has crafted this article very simply and very carefully. Sincerely hope it hits the mark.
 
And now for something completely different. Just to change the tone.

 
Frankly folks I thought the whole thread to date was so xxxxing mean and toxic a sweet song might offer some reflection .

And maybe it has. Or maybe your all having so much fun "My gift is my song and this ones for you" just doesn't cut any ice these days or have any meaning.

Bye
 
Frankly folks I thought the whole thread to date was so xxxxing mean and toxic a sweet song might offer some reflection .

And maybe it has. Or maybe your all having so much fun.
Bye
There was a song that Ted Bull a former ABC breakfast announcer used to play at the end of his shift every mornibg, Bye Bye.
 
But when you have @rederob having difficulty articulating the issue and @orr trying to abuse all and sundry into submission, maybe it isn't a done deal.
What rubbish!
Recognise first inhabitants and provide a lasting mechanism for grass roots advice on policy.
How difficult was that?

We have people claiming "racism" but nobody has yet shown how the Voice fits that mold.
We have people saying it's divisive. What, more divisive than what has been happening for centuries, leading to ATSI peoples being amongst the most incarcerated on the planet.
We have people saying the Voice gives ATSI peoples more rights, and that the Voice breaches principles of equality. Whereas the Voice only exists because of entrenched inequalities and the failure of government policies to redress them. And never have I seen anyone show how the Voice can changes anyone's status.

We have the copious copypatings of @JohnDe that don't cut the mustard, and who now claims that I indulge in moral blackmail. I reckon that tag hangs on those who have lied and misled about the Voice, when not otherwise posting total irrelevances... such as comments like "Moralisation around the “right side of history” and “decolonisation” is dangerous." l, and other rational proponents, am articulating the principles of the Voice and am focussed on why it's different from past failures.

The reality is that there remain bolted on and closet racists who continue to invent false narratives and pathetic excuses for not wanting ATSI peoples to be recognised in our Constitution, and don't want them to be able to contribute to their betterment.

The bottom line here is that if you are not ATSI, no matter what you think or say, there will be no policies that can be proposed that materially affect you. Poor old Warren Mundine's many examples are all based on existing legislation so clearly have nothing to do with the Voice!
 
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