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The Voice

This thread is about the Voice.
You have not been able to show how the points you have raised are consistent with what is known.
And your attempts at deflection do you no favours.

And more of my points -

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship......the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based.

Yes, the Voice is racist

In conception, content and consequences

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We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship. Biden’s belief that African-Americans who voted for Trump over him ‘ain’t black’ is a typical representation of this inherent racism that could be perceived in the spat between Philip Adams and Kamahl. When Adams belittled Kamahl as an ‘Honorary White’, Nyunggai Warren Mundine called the racially charged, derogatory and offensive description ‘reprehensible’.

After apologies for ill-chosen remarks against Meghan Markle emboldened his critics instead of appeasing the duke of woke and the cry-bully duchess of whinge, Jeremy Clarkson wrote in the Sunday Times that we are at war with ‘a full-on left-wing campaign to unstitch and burn the fabric’ of Western society, for example by indoctrinating instead of educating children and capturing the commanding heights of the mainstream media. The most lethal weapon in their arsenal is identity politics on race, religion and gender. This subverts Martin Luther King’s dream of a world in which people are judged not on the colour of their skin but the content of their character. Its most insidious effect is to fracture national unity and social cohesion. Tory (!) candidates in the UK are being given lessons on ‘white resentment’ and ‘unconscious bias’ before standing for parliament.

Matt Canavan’s call for a second question in the Voice referendum on keeping 26 January as Australia Day is worth considering. Failing that, the Voice could well call for the day to be scrapped because, for an activist minority, it’s a day of mourning, not celebration. The zeitgeist encourages the romanticisation of Aboriginal culture and history and the demonisation of everything European. The Manichean framing is erroneous and dangerous. How many schoolchildren are being taught to be ashamed of Australia’s British heritage for the alleged inherited guilt of institutional racism, dispossession and oppression? Sports and entertainment stars must believe their celebrity status confers superior wisdom to set the nation’s moral compass. Ashleigh Gardner called out Cricket Australia: ‘As a proud Muruwari woman and reflecting on what Jan 26 means to me and my people it is a day of hurt and a day of mourning.’ Gardner is presumably mixed-race who wouldn’t exist but for the Europeans’ arrival in 1788. She is both coloniser and colonised or, as Stan Grant put it once, the settler on the ship and the Aborigine on shore. What would we think if a mixed-race person proclaimed herself a proud white woman? How does she reconcile the conflict between her oppressor and victim genes? Why is it racist to proclaim oneself a proud white woman but virtuous to proclaim oneself a proud [appropriate tribal] woman? I would be upset if my children were to feel ashamed of either their Irish-Australian or their Indian ancestry instead of being proud of each yet free to criticise unsavoury elements of both. ‘My culture is something I hold close to my heart and something I’m always so proud to speak about,’ Gardner added. But this is just confused and incoherent. What culture is that, if not that of a product of a mixed heritage? Language is the key gateway to any culture, and her tweet was in English. The tweet also denies the benefits that have accrued to people like Gardner alongside the history of atrocities against Aborigines. The easiest way to grasp this would be for her to think, honestly, about what her position would have been as a woman in the traditional Aboriginal society of 1788: a Hobbesian society where life is nasty, brutish and short. Gardner’s professional identity is a cricketer. Unless I’m badly misinformed, cricket is not part of Aboriginal inheritance.

Another example comes from an article in the Australian by Judith Brett. Like shallow virtue-signalling views on Australia Day, the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based. Brett used lofty language to insist that a No vote ‘will do lasting damage both to the body politic and to the nation’s soul’, yet lacks the self-awareness to realise the insult and offence caused by describing nth-generation, native-born and therefore indigenous albeit non-Aboriginal citizens as ‘settler Australians’ (hence the endless ‘welcome to country’ ceremonies?) who must vote Yes to ‘strengthen their bonds with indigenous Australians’. We must vote Yes so the author can assuage her guilt and feel good? The case against is clearer, reasoned and principled in rejecting race as a factor in Australia’s governance structure. As a lifelong campaigner against racial discrimination and for human rights, I oppose enshrining in the constitution special mention of any identity-based group. Senator Ralph Babet notes that 8 of 76 senators have Aboriginal heritage. By contrast, Asian-Australians are badly under-represented in parliament and top positions in the public and private sectors. Do we really want to go down the rabbit hole of ever-finer subdivisions between First (Aborigines), Second (British immigrants and convicts), Third (post-war European immigrants) and Fourth (post-White Australia immigrants) Nations? Should Asian-Australians have our own Voice or should we know our place and stay there?

Albanese betrays contempt for voters by insisting we vote for the Voice without knowing any of the details on its composition, functions and powers. Once approved, it will be hijacked by the more strident activists among the cultural elites, some part-Aboriginal, to acquire more assets, influence and political power as has happened everywhere else – nothing unique about it. In time, it will be judicially reinterpreted and expanded beyond recognition. Those who insist otherwise are either naive or gaslighting us. The Voice is racist in conception and will be racist in content and consequences, hardening identitarian divisions without solving real problems. While Alice Springs burns, Albanese and Burney fiddle with the Voice. Jacinta Nampijinpa Price is an authentic voice: ‘When Linda Burney tells us this would not be happening if a constitutionally enshrined Voice had been established, you cannot help but feel gaslit and infuriated.’ Mundine is spot on: ‘The world over, social breakdown, family violence and abuse, drug and alcohol abuse go hand in hand with kids not going to school, adults not in work and chronic intergenerational welfare dependency.’ Mundine’s parents ‘were determined not to be treated as second-class citizens… We were taught that you’re never a victim’.
 
Workers in Capital Territory are Australia’s highest paid workers while Tasmania has the lowest average salary.
Workers in the ACT have the highest percentage of post secondary qualifications and the highest percentage of post graduate degrees.
But this has nothing to do with the Voice.
 
And more of my points -

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship......the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based.
You have not been able to show that the points of others which you are now claiming as yours are consist with the Voice.
 
Some statistics from the 2021 Census, real stats just for a change

There were 159,843 couples where one or more of the partners were ATSI

130,514 (81.7%) of them were couples where only one partner was ATSI

The place with the lowest mixed race partners was NT (71.8%), the place with the highest was ACT(94.2%), Vict was 93.7%

Makes me wonder just who the Voice is needed for, city folk are doing just fine around here.

I would suggest that Australia is doing rather well with assimilation by choice, it would follow that the next generation will be even integrated into modern society.

This Does Not mean that culture and beliefs need to forgotten, most cultures treasure their history, I think most people are quite interested in their local tribal lore.

I know a lot more than most but only because of past friendships and I am quite happy to see ATSI displays at local events etc
 
Makes me wonder just who the Voice is needed for, city folk are doing just fine around here.
Your data have zip, nil, zero and nothing to do with why the Voice is being proposed.
I would suggest that Australia is doing rather well with assimilation by choice, it would follow that the next generation will be even integrated into modern society.
FYI assimilation and integration are opposites.
I know a lot more than most but only because of past friendships and I am quite happy to see ATSI displays at local events etc
But you seem unaware of the data relating to why the Voice came about!
 
You have not been able to show that the points of others which you are now claiming as yours are consist with the Voice.

And more of the points that I agree with -

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship......the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based.

Yes, the Voice is racist

In conception, content and consequences

thakur-04-feb_post-jpg-jpg.jpg


We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at sceptics raising legitimate questions to complex policy challenges accuse the latter of hate speech described as literal violence. Those who betray traces of deeply buried subconscious racism in the belief that Aboriginals can never exercise agency and be educated to take responsibility for their destiny, but must always be treated as victims, glow with virtuous satisfaction at their progressivism in spurning equal citizenship. Biden’s belief that African-Americans who voted for Trump over him ‘ain’t black’ is a typical representation of this inherent racism that could be perceived in the spat between Philip Adams and Kamahl. When Adams belittled Kamahl as an ‘Honorary White’, Nyunggai Warren Mundine called the racially charged, derogatory and offensive description ‘reprehensible’.

After apologies for ill-chosen remarks against Meghan Markle emboldened his critics instead of appeasing the duke of woke and the cry-bully duchess of whinge, Jeremy Clarkson wrote in the Sunday Times that we are at war with ‘a full-on left-wing campaign to unstitch and burn the fabric’ of Western society, for example by indoctrinating instead of educating children and capturing the commanding heights of the mainstream media. The most lethal weapon in their arsenal is identity politics on race, religion and gender. This subverts Martin Luther King’s dream of a world in which people are judged not on the colour of their skin but the content of their character. Its most insidious effect is to fracture national unity and social cohesion. Tory (!) candidates in the UK are being given lessons on ‘white resentment’ and ‘unconscious bias’ before standing for parliament.

Matt Canavan’s call for a second question in the Voice referendum on keeping 26 January as Australia Day is worth considering. Failing that, the Voice could well call for the day to be scrapped because, for an activist minority, it’s a day of mourning, not celebration. The zeitgeist encourages the romanticisation of Aboriginal culture and history and the demonisation of everything European. The Manichean framing is erroneous and dangerous. How many schoolchildren are being taught to be ashamed of Australia’s British heritage for the alleged inherited guilt of institutional racism, dispossession and oppression? Sports and entertainment stars must believe their celebrity status confers superior wisdom to set the nation’s moral compass. Ashleigh Gardner called out Cricket Australia: ‘As a proud Muruwari woman and reflecting on what Jan 26 means to me and my people it is a day of hurt and a day of mourning.’ Gardner is presumably mixed-race who wouldn’t exist but for the Europeans’ arrival in 1788. She is both coloniser and colonised or, as Stan Grant put it once, the settler on the ship and the Aborigine on shore. What would we think if a mixed-race person proclaimed herself a proud white woman? How does she reconcile the conflict between her oppressor and victim genes? Why is it racist to proclaim oneself a proud white woman but virtuous to proclaim oneself a proud [appropriate tribal] woman? I would be upset if my children were to feel ashamed of either their Irish-Australian or their Indian ancestry instead of being proud of each yet free to criticise unsavoury elements of both. ‘My culture is something I hold close to my heart and something I’m always so proud to speak about,’ Gardner added. But this is just confused and incoherent. What culture is that, if not that of a product of a mixed heritage? Language is the key gateway to any culture, and her tweet was in English. The tweet also denies the benefits that have accrued to people like Gardner alongside the history of atrocities against Aborigines. The easiest way to grasp this would be for her to think, honestly, about what her position would have been as a woman in the traditional Aboriginal society of 1788: a Hobbesian society where life is nasty, brutish and short. Gardner’s professional identity is a cricketer. Unless I’m badly misinformed, cricket is not part of Aboriginal inheritance.

Another example comes from an article in the Australian by Judith Brett. Like shallow virtue-signalling views on Australia Day, the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based. Brett used lofty language to insist that a No vote ‘will do lasting damage both to the body politic and to the nation’s soul’, yet lacks the self-awareness to realise the insult and offence caused by describing nth-generation, native-born and therefore indigenous albeit non-Aboriginal citizens as ‘settler Australians’ (hence the endless ‘welcome to country’ ceremonies?) who must vote Yes to ‘strengthen their bonds with indigenous Australians’. We must vote Yes so the author can assuage her guilt and feel good? The case against is clearer, reasoned and principled in rejecting race as a factor in Australia’s governance structure. As a lifelong campaigner against racial discrimination and for human rights, I oppose enshrining in the constitution special mention of any identity-based group. Senator Ralph Babet notes that 8 of 76 senators have Aboriginal heritage. By contrast, Asian-Australians are badly under-represented in parliament and top positions in the public and private sectors. Do we really want to go down the rabbit hole of ever-finer subdivisions between First (Aborigines), Second (British immigrants and convicts), Third (post-war European immigrants) and Fourth (post-White Australia immigrants) Nations? Should Asian-Australians have our own Voice or should we know our place and stay there?

Albanese betrays contempt for voters by insisting we vote for the Voice without knowing any of the details on its composition, functions and powers. Once approved, it will be hijacked by the more strident activists among the cultural elites, some part-Aboriginal, to acquire more assets, influence and political power as has happened everywhere else – nothing unique about it. In time, it will be judicially reinterpreted and expanded beyond recognition. Those who insist otherwise are either naive or gaslighting us. The Voice is racist in conception and will be racist in content and consequences, hardening identitarian divisions without solving real problems. While Alice Springs burns, Albanese and Burney fiddle with the Voice. Jacinta Nampijinpa Price is an authentic voice: ‘When Linda Burney tells us this would not be happening if a constitutionally enshrined Voice had been established, you cannot help but feel gaslit and infuriated.’ Mundine is spot on: ‘The world over, social breakdown, family violence and abuse, drug and alcohol abuse go hand in hand with kids not going to school, adults not in work and chronic intergenerational welfare dependency.’ Mundine’s parents ‘were determined not to be treated as second-class citizens… We were taught that you’re never a victim’.
 
Does anyone else see the projection in Thakur's piece?
All those imagined spooks.
Half baked inuendo.

Looking at it critically? Paid by the word tosh by someone looking to pay for some dental work? or hair transplant? or whatever... but it's the Specator so? what do you expect....
that said, cruel and off-handed as it is; Tom Switzers RN broardcast CounterPoint just last week(late May 2023) is well worth a listen.

oh and W-anale (did I spell that rigth? dyslexsia what a gift it is) ; I know it stings... try some anusol? proctlean ?? you know the stuff .... stick your finger in a little, give it a wriggle. Might help....
 
Does anyone else see the projection in Thakur's piece?
All those imagined spooks.
Half baked inuendo.

Looking at it critically? Paid by the word tosh by someone looking to pay for some dental work? or hair transplant? or whatever... but it's the Specator so? what do you expect....
that said, cruel and off-handed as it is; Tom Switzers RN broardcast CounterPoint just last week(late May 2023) is well worth a listen.

oh and W-anale (did I spell that rigth? dyslexsia what a gift it is) ; I know it stings... try some anusol? proctlean ?? you know the stuff .... stick your finger in a little, give it a wriggle. Might help....
Subtle is better, B-orr. Crass losses points.

A knowledge of phonetics is good too, hence I would have lost the "e".
Personally I would've thought w-anaL might have been quite funny. But you blew it in the delivery.

Fail.

Give me a call, always happy to give a loser a hand up;)
 
Wassn't the plead to stay on topic?
John De is very comfortable with Thakur's 'in 'endo's...

Anal your off topic 'hands up' reference?? 'ooohhh' ( total post) just makes me queasy.

and.... Wiemar Repulic era, Bauhaus... less is better. But lets not stray into unknown cultural regions that disturb the natives.

Thakur .... tosh
Why was it needed to reposted 3x... I suppose you have too when your insecurity blanket is so thread bare...
 
Well I'm having second thoughts as to whether the voice will get up, I thought it was a shoe in.
But when you have @rederob having difficulty articulating the issue and @orr trying to abuse all and sundry into submission, maybe it isn't a done deal. :rolleyes:

Time will tell, meanwhile anyone having trouble with hemorrhoids and or anal insertions, please contact @orr for instructions on how to proceed, he obviously is well practiced in the procedures from his personal experience.
Maybe he could become the resident ASF proctologist, as with most doctors his writing is illegible, so he is well on his way. ?
So don't forget, if you need anything anally weird answered, at orr's you man, orr you might be doing it wrong bum bum, I mean boom boom .:roflmao:

From @orr post#1087:
I know it stings... try some anusol? proctlean ?? you know the stuff .... stick your finger in a little, give it a wriggle. Might help....
 
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Your skill in discussion is so good that you have persuaded me 100% to vote NO. Thank you, I will now pass this onto all I know.

redrob & co. have unwittingly hurt the Yes campaign with their moral blackmail and egotistical debating skills.

Eschewing moral blackmail is vital. If voters feel shamed into voting yes, the referendum is doomed. Moralisation around the “right side of history” and “decolonisation” is dangerous. Complicating agendas for reparations, political sovereignty, treaty and truth need to be parked.
The core of the referendum must be an appeal from Indigenous to non-Indigenous Australia, in all goodwill, and indeed love. It must firmly put past disadvantage without rancour, current disadvantage with cooperative insistence, and future opportunity with shared hope and confidence.
This will require discipline, co-operation and forbearance on the Yes side. No one owns the referendum. No one is its hero. No one, let alone the Australian people, are monsters.
Nor can we afford a campaign complicated, vexed, egotistical and divided. Uncertainty and division are the lifeblood of any No campaign.

Indigenous voice to parliament Yes campaigners must persuade dubious Australians ahead of referendum

There is one unlikely point of agreement between the Yes and No camps for the voice referendum. Terror of the consequences of a lost vote.

Each understands Indigenous Australians will be shattered. Each will blame the other. The scorched earth will belong to both.

For Yes supporters – including me – winning is the only course. Politics, personalities and even past drafting disputes are irrelevant.

But the immediate challenge is that the polling for the voice is not good. It is threatening. Multiple polls place the Yes vote between the high 40s and low 50s. Support for No is in the mid 30s. Undecideds are around 20 per cent. There is not a Yes majority in a single state.

Every referendum has its own baggage, which just has to be carried. This one is a Labor product, driven by powerful Indigenous leaders, and never open to change. It eschews bipartisanship.

There does exist a substantial Yes infrastructure, Australians for Indigenous Constitutional Recognition. This is a coalition of Indigenous leaders such as Rachel Perkins and Megan Davis and whitefella supporters. It has both mass and internal tensions.

AIRC also has an enormous amount of campaign money, around $17m from corporate and other backers. It will have an extensive campaign staff, including prominent pollster Mark Textor.

Yet despite all these resources, the polls are so weak. True, the main battle is not joined. But preliminary skirmishing has gone poorly. Timing is vital. The Yes camp’s vast resources must be deployed promptly. Holding fire because referendum day is four months away would be a grave mistake. Once someone congeals to No, they will not be shifted.

This assumes Yes promotions actually will be helpful. Preliminary offerings have been uninspiring. A bad campaign will lose, not garner, votes. What must the Yes campaign do to win, and not do to avoid losing? It already is clear the Yes forces face some challenging strategic choices.

A basic difficulty is the level of ambition. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has gone from a Yes vote being “modest” to now being “historic”. He even talks decolonisation. But history shows constitutionally nervous Australians do not vote for an amendment because it is big. Small and modest works. “A Fair Go” would be a better mantra than “Make History”.

Yet Albanese and allies are stuck. The proposal cannot be sold on its detail. It is already highly partisan. Surging on the vibe may be the only, yet dangerous option. Even so, the vibe can be calculated or undisciplined. Plausible appeals to fairness will beat lofty appeals to history.

Critically, the Yes case cannot just talk to itself. It must persuade the dubious. The language of “history” is inspiring to its enthusiasts but will worry soft voters. Assuring your own vote is pointless.

The Yes case must not, like the republic, assume a uniform national audience typed by Sydney. This referendum will comprise micro “markets”, requiring highly tailored messages. Western Australia and Queensland, with their challenging histories around Indigenous people, will require delicate handling. In fact, recent polls suggest they are lost causes.

There are other difficult examples. Poorer Australians with limited educational opportunities will be less inclined to vote yes because they have their own painful disadvantages. This group destroyed a self-indulgent, “elitist” republic, and must be addressed with care and respect.

The Yes case cannot adopt self-serving fantasies. It does not monopolise social media, as recent weeks have shown. The No side can indeed campaign on natural media momentum. The young and migrants will not automatically vote yes without nurturing. Yes officials are not all geniuses.

It cannot assume this is the same-sex marriage plebiscite. Permanent constitutional amendment is much harder. Same-sex was a family issue for most Australians. The voice is not. It cannot run a campaign without some bipartisan credibility. It must promote conservative voices such as Julian Leeser to balance Peter Dutton. It cannot just concede over a third of the electorate.

Some tempting strategies are poison. Featuring politically correct heroes will fail utterly. Sports stars, actors and cultural leaders sank the republic. People resented the condescension. Multi-millionaire Michael Chaney’s recent demand Australia vote yes or face international business condemnation is instructive. People are irritated by a plutocrat issuing instructions to pariahs.

Eschewing moral blackmail is vital. If voters feel shamed into voting yes, the referendum is doomed. Moralisation around the “right side of history” and “decolonisation” is dangerous. Complicating agendas for reparations, political sovereignty, treaty and truth need to be parked.

The core of the referendum must be an appeal from Indigenous to non-Indigenous Australia, in all goodwill, and indeed love. It must firmly put past disadvantage without rancour, current disadvantage with cooperative insistence, and future opportunity with shared hope and confidence.

As the Uluru process itself pointed, any success will be based on agreement, not a demand or shaming, let alone a threat.

This will require discipline, co-operation and forbearance on the Yes side. No one owns the referendum. No one is its hero. No one, let alone the Australian people, are monsters.

Nor can we afford a campaign complicated, vexed, egotistical and divided. Uncertainty and division are the lifeblood of any No campaign.

Righteous self-congratulation will be icy consolation in the wreckage of a lost referendum.

Emeritus Professor Greg Craven is a constitutional lawyer.
 
I agree with Greg Cravens analysis John Dee. IMV spot on. Right tone. Right concept. Hopefully it gets well picked up by the YES campaign.

It is nuanced. Its practical, realistic . I think Greg has crafted this article very simply and very carefully. Sincerely hope it hits the mark.
 
Frankly folks I thought the whole thread to date was so xxxxing mean and toxic a sweet song might offer some reflection .

And maybe it has. Or maybe your all having so much fun "My gift is my song and this ones for you" just doesn't cut any ice these days or have any meaning.

Bye
 
Frankly folks I thought the whole thread to date was so xxxxing mean and toxic a sweet song might offer some reflection .

And maybe it has. Or maybe your all having so much fun.
Bye
There was a song that Ted Bull a former ABC breakfast announcer used to play at the end of his shift every mornibg, Bye Bye.
 
But when you have @rederob having difficulty articulating the issue and @orr trying to abuse all and sundry into submission, maybe it isn't a done deal. :rolleyes:
What rubbish!
Recognise first inhabitants and provide a lasting mechanism for grass roots advice on policy.
How difficult was that?

We have people claiming "racism" but nobody has yet shown how the Voice fits that mold.
We have people saying it's divisive. What, more divisive than what has been happening for centuries, leading to ATSI peoples being amongst the most incarcerated on the planet.
We have people saying the Voice gives ATSI peoples more rights, and that the Voice breaches principles of equality. Whereas the Voice only exists because of entrenched inequalities and the failure of government policies to redress them. And never have I seen anyone show how the Voice can changes anyone's status.

We have the copious copypatings of @JohnDe that don't cut the mustard, and who now claims that I indulge in moral blackmail. I reckon that tag hangs on those who have lied and misled about the Voice, when not otherwise posting total irrelevances... such as comments like "Moralisation around the “right side of history” and “decolonisation” is dangerous." l, and other rational proponents, am articulating the principles of the Voice and am focussed on why it's different from past failures.

The reality is that there remain bolted on and closet racists who continue to invent false narratives and pathetic excuses for not wanting ATSI peoples to be recognised in our Constitution, and don't want them to be able to contribute to their betterment.

The bottom line here is that if you are not ATSI, no matter what you think or say, there will be no policies that can be proposed that materially affect you. Poor old Warren Mundine's many examples are all based on existing legislation so clearly have nothing to do with the Voice!
 
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