The Voice

[JohnDe]

Why don't you stump up with your own ideas?

I read the piece and it only makes sense if you you do not understand what racism is.

So let me go through it's preamble:
First, it's not at all "strange" that bipartisan support disappeared when Dutton took the helm from Morrison. Anyone seriously thinking that a man that refused to attend Rudd's Apology would support the Voice has rocks in their head.
The second sentence has nothing to do with the Voice. The concept of equality is already built into our system of laws. The Voice is about rectifying disadvantage.
The second sentence fails to grasp the simple concept that the first inhabitants were a different race. To suggest that's "racist" defies common sense.
The third sentence descends into muck raking. What are these "legitimate questions"? The unanswered questions will be determined by Parliament, as has been clarified many times.
The fourth sentence is blatant misinformation. What the Voice seeks to achieve and how it can operate has been thoroughly detailed, so its a lie to say it's "vague". The other claims have nothing to do with the Voice, but read well to those who are keen to suppress indigenous advancement.

Much of the rest of the article has little to do with the Voice.
What you always see is avoidance of the actual questions being asked and, in the media, the creation of a new narrative.

I could say the same to you, all of your comments are regurgitated from the racist left.

 

[SirRumpole]

Those observations always make sense. The challenge is as usual in the implementation.

That doesn't mean we don't have a go.

That doesn't mean that we need another layer of entrenched bureaucracy to achieve results.

 

[JohnDe]

“Another example comes from an article in the Australian by Judith Brett. Like shallow virtue-signalling views on Australia Day, the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based. Brett used lofty language to insist that a No vote ‘will do lasting damage both to the body politic and to the nation’s soul’, yet lacks the self-awareness to realise the insult and offence caused by describing nth-generation, native-born and therefore indigenous albeit non-Aboriginal citizens as ‘settler Australians’ (hence the endless ‘welcome to country’ ceremonies?) who must vote Yes to ‘strengthen their bonds with indigenous Australians’. We must vote Yes so the author can assuage her guilt and feel good? The case against is clearer, reasoned and principled in rejecting race as a factor in Australia’s governance structure”​

 

[SirRumpole]

You really have had a miserable time posting.
What I wrote was correct. There are clear design principles for how the Voice can work. Parliament may choose to set it up differently.

All you have said is that we don't really know how it will work in practise.

 

[rederob]

I could say the same to you, all of your comments are regurgitated from the racist left.

My comments are based on my understanding of what is being put to a referendum and I can guarantee them to be original.
However, if you believe in the article you posted, can you please explain what makes the Voice racist?

 

[rederob]

"The case against is clearer, reasoned and principled in rejecting race as a factor in Australia’s governance structure”​

Except the Voice is not involved in governance.
Do you understand that many of the attributions you post don't make sense?

 

[rederob]

All you have said is that we don't really know how it will work in practise.

Completely untrue.
I suggest you do some reading as I am tired of rebutting your ignorance.

 

[wayneL]

 

[rederob]

That doesn't mean that we need another layer of entrenched bureaucracy to achieve results.

There is ZERO additional bureaucracy.
With good management it will be possible to reduce the number of bureaucrats involved in policy development for ATSI peoples and achieve better results.
Stop spreading lies!

 

[JohnDe]

Except the Voice is not involved in governance.
Do you understand that many of the attributions you post don't make sense?

"Albanese betrays contempt for voters by insisting we vote for the Voice without knowing any of the details on its composition, functions and powers. Those who insist otherwise are either naive or gaslighting us. The Voice is racist in conception and will be racist in content and consequences"​

Yes, the Voice is racist | The Spectator Australia

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at…

www.spectator.com.au

 

[SirRumpole]

There is ZERO additional bureaucracy.
With good management it will be possible to reduce the number of bureaucrats involved in policy development for ATSI peoples and achieve better results.
Stop spreading lies!

Ha ha.

The voice representatives and their staff and hangers on will be paid by the taxpayer yes ?

That's a bureaucracy.

 

[IFocus]

Ha ha.

The voice representatives and their staff and hangers on will be paid by the taxpayer yes ?

That's a bureaucracy.

So you endorse the current bureaucracy top down approach that the Gap Report has consistently shown year after year to fail the basics over a change that strives to allow stakeholders to put forward solutions and take ownership of them?

Essentially what you keep saying isn’t it?

 

[IFocus]

BYW had a really interesting conversation with local police officers (Kununarra) this morning it was confidential but just blows big holes though the negative arguments here.

 

[SirRumpole]

So you endorse the current bureaucracy top down approach that the Gap Report has consistently shown year after year to fail the basics over a change that strives to allow stakeholders to put forward solutions and take ownership of them?

They can do that now, what it really means is they want more money.

 

[rederob]

Ha ha.

The voice representatives and their staff and hangers on will be paid by the taxpayer yes ?

That's a bureaucracy.

Bureaucracies are part of government.
Yet another blatant attempt at racism.

They can do that now, what it really means is they want more money.

Peddling more lies as well.
When will your nonsense cease?

 

[rederob]

"Albanese betrays contempt for voters by insisting we vote for the Voice without knowing any of the details on its composition, functions and powers. Those who insist otherwise are either naive or gaslighting us. The Voice is racist in conception and will be racist in content and consequences"​

Yes, the Voice is racist | The Spectator Australia

We live in strange times. A race-based constitutional body will ensure racial equality. Those calling for a race-blind constitution and public policy are racists. Those spewing hatred and bile at…

www.spectator.com.au

Not an original thought, sigh...
Every point has been answered but you keep propagating the misinformation of others for some reason.
Is there a reason you cannot work out what "racism" is?

 

[SirRumpole]

Bureaucracies are part of government.
Yet another blatant attempt at racism.

Peddling more lies as well.
When will your nonsense cease?

All over the shop.

First you say that the voice is not a bureaucracy then you flip it off as a part of government.

Taka a rest mate you are losing it.

 

[rederob]

All over the shop.

First you say that the voice is not a bureaucracy then you flip it off as a part of government.

The Voice is neither a bureaucracy nor a part of government so you claims are outright lies.
When will you stop?

 

[wayneL]

BYW had a really interesting conversation with local police officers (Kununarra) this morning it was confidential but just blows big holes though the negative arguments here.

BYW had a really interesting conversation with local police officers (Timbuktu) this morning it was confidential but just blows big holes though the yes arguments here.

I'll take $1000 for things that never happened.

 

[JohnDe]

Not an original thought, sigh...
Every point has been answered but you keep propagating the misinformation of others for some reason.
Is there a reason you cannot work out what "racism" is?

You have not answered anything, you keep deflecting because deep down you know that the referendum for the Voice is flawed.

“Another example comes from an article in the Australian by Judith Brett. Like shallow virtue-signalling views on Australia Day, the case for a constitutionally enshrined Voice is vague, emotionally manipulative, rooted in guilt for historical wrongs and race-based. Brett used lofty language to insist that a No vote ‘will do lasting damage both to the body politic and to the nation’s soul’, yet lacks the self-awareness to realise the insult and offence caused by describing nth-generation, native-born and therefore indigenous albeit non-Aboriginal citizens as ‘settler Australians’ (hence the endless ‘welcome to country’ ceremonies?) who must vote Yes to ‘strengthen their bonds with indigenous Australians’. We must vote Yes so the author can assuage her guilt and feel good? The case against is clearer, reasoned and principled in rejecting race as a factor in Australia’s governance structure”