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sptrawler said:
Yes I put a unit in at Wiluna and installed auto synch on all the units, the place had two pubs the Club hotel, near the school and the Lake Way hotel at the start of the gunbarrel highway over the road from the power station. The Lake Way wasn't operating and was given to the locals as a cultural center, but ended up being demolished in the early 1980's.
It certainly was a wild place, one time the work crew were treed up on the balcony of the club hotel, because one of the guys went into the front bar and put some money in the jukebox the locals didn't like it.
The whites had to stay in the small back bar. ;)
I was talking to a young barman there, he had a strong pommie accent, I asked him how he was enjoying it and how long he had been in Australia.
He said he had been hit with a stool, stabbed and speared and he had come straight from the U.K two weeks earlier. We all had a great laugh at that, imagine coming straight from London to Wiluna. ?
About 10km down the gunbarrel there was an aboriginal department run orange plantation and emu farm, another venture. that starts, falls over and starts again.
Definitely not one of the places I want to re visit. I'll have a look through my old photo's on the weekend, see if I can find a picture. :xyxthumbs

A bit of a read on the orange farm back in the 80's.

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I remember all the paint etched off the veranda posts and brick work etched to over head height, sea of cans flowing out to the camp area, (glass was banned due to the amount of sutures used, Perth and back) school principle used to run the station I cannot repeat here the stories he told me.
 
IFocus said:
I remember all the paint etched off the veranda posts and brick work etched to over head height, sea of cans flowing out to the camp area, (glass was banned due to the amount of sutures used, Perth and back) school principle used to run the station I cannot repeat here the stories he told me.
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Yet even though it was the wild west back in the 70's and 80's, we seemed to get on better with the aboriginals than we do now, the open hostility wasn't there the one punch attacks the groups wandering around looking for trouble. As with most things today the divisions are wider and feeding that division have become a media feedstock IMO.
Times move on, but the issues don't get any easier.
Hopefully Albo can come up with a compromise that fits with everyone.
 
sptrawler said:
Times move on, but the issues don't get any easier.
Hopefully Albo can come up with a compromise that fits with everyone.
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Yeah agree, don't think Albo has the answers but I think a 1st step is to be inclusive most of the indigenous public speakers are well educated and very much middle class or higher not really connected in any way to the people we are talking about.

The guys I used to work with were similar but they were considered white by any of the community mobs, the mob at Wiluna always threatened the young working indigenous blokes I knew that it was never to ate to be initiated ? .
 
Hooray at last some tangible action, you can't expect to be taken seriously when your talking the talk and not walking the walk, great move Albo.

www.smh.com.au

Labor to pour $424m in funding to close the gap on water, housing

The Albanese government concedes some remote Indigenous towns do not have access to reliable drinking water, meaning their communities cannot run dialysis machines.
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The federal government will pour another $424 million into Closing the Gap initiatives under a revamped strategy it says will deliver more practical outcomes for Indigenous Australians after rates of incarceration, suicide and out-of-home care continued to worsen last year.

More than a quarter of the new funding will go towards water infrastructure as the government conceded some remote Indigenous towns did not have access to reliable drinking water, meaning their communities could not run dialysis machines.
 
sptrawler said:
Hooray at last some tangible action, you can't expect to be taken seriously when your talking the talk and not walking the walk, great move Albo.

www.smh.com.au

Labor to pour $424m in funding to close the gap on water, housing

The Albanese government concedes some remote Indigenous towns do not have access to reliable drinking water, meaning their communities cannot run dialysis machines.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
The federal government will pour another $424 million into Closing the Gap initiatives under a revamped strategy it says will deliver more practical outcomes for Indigenous Australians after rates of incarceration, suicide and out-of-home care continued to worsen last year.

More than a quarter of the new funding will go towards water infrastructure as the government conceded some remote Indigenous towns did not have access to reliable drinking water, meaning their communities could not run dialysis machines.
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Let's hope that this investment produces some lasting solutions.
 
IFocus said:
Huge lump of money wonder how much will reach the pointy end?
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SirRumpole said:
A very good question.

It has to translate into bricks and mortar or pipes and taps and not into consultants fees.
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There needs to be some sort of audit into the money from all directions that goes into Aboriginal support and welfare. Reports about that we provide $32b or so each year seems hard to believe. I don't think that counts mining royalties/payments. Where does that all go? How can there not be clean water anywhere with that amount of money flowing?
 
Yesterday while driving in NSW, I was listening to the ABC, where they did a report on the cashless welfare card system in Ceduna.
Two of the interviewees, both Indigenous , complained about not being able to spend "their money" as they saw fit.
"its my money, I should be able to spend it as I like, not how the government reckons I should spend it", was one of the comments.
It highlights the sense of entitlement that pervades so much of society, no acknowledgement that some other person or group paid taxes to the government to give the recipients "their money".
Mick
 
I am reading an article in the local paper, on the "voice".
A local indigenous leader, educator and elder is explaining the voice, which is a good thing IMO, the more people know the more people will be comfortable with it.
www.mandurahmail.com.au

Local voices heard at referendum forum

Senator Sue Lines held a community forum discussing the upcoming referendum
www.mandurahmail.com.au www.mandurahmail.com.au

Then when you read the article, the confusion builds, which is the problem the Federal Government has IMO.

George has an expectation that the day after the voice is passed, he will wake up to a country that recognises 60,000 years of occupation, of customs and practices and laws.

So he has an expectation, is that expectation the same expectation the Federal Government has, how will they integrate their laws into our laws? These are the issues that need clearing up, it's ok saying it will be sorted after the referendum, but obviously people do make assumptions and make it fit into their expectations.

Another intersesting piece of information was in 2015 Colin Barnett changed the Western Australian Constitution Act, to recognise Aboriginal people as the people and traditional custodians of the land, South Australia has recently followed suit, I wonder if it could all be better handled at a State level?
 
sptrawler said:
I am reading an article in the local paper, on the "voice".
A local indigenous leader, educator and elder is explaining the voice, which is a good thing IMO, the more people know the more people will be comfortable with it.
www.mandurahmail.com.au

Local voices heard at referendum forum

Senator Sue Lines held a community forum discussing the upcoming referendum
www.mandurahmail.com.au www.mandurahmail.com.au

Then when you read the article, the confusion builds, which is the problem the Federal Government has IMO.

George has an expectation that the day after the voice is passed, he will wake up to a country that recognises 60,000 years of occupation, of customs and practices and laws.

So he has an expectation, is that expectation the same expectation the Federal Government has, how will they integrate their laws into our laws? These are the issues that need clearing up, it's ok saying it will be sorted after the referendum, but obviously people do make assumptions and make it fit into their expectations.

Another intersesting piece of information was in 2015 Colin Barnett changed the Western Australian Constitution Act, to recognise Aboriginal people as the people and traditional custodians of the land, South Australia has recently followed suit, I wonder if it could all be better handled at a State level?
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One thing I completely don't get with Aboriginal understanding of the land is do they think they 'own' it, or are they 'custodians' or something else. What's the true historical relationship between the tribes and the area they claim is theirs? My very early understanding of this relationship was that they thought that no one owned the land as it was sacred and that their job was to protect it and care for it. So, more like the 'custodian' concept. When did it switch over to traditional 'ownership'. Maybe I was educated incorrectly and the idea of custodianship is a White concept which allowed us to just take what we wanted. Or, do Aboriginals now claim ownership because they can claim $$ out of it?
 
Sean K said:
One thing I completely don't get with Aboriginal understanding of the land is do they think they 'own' it, or are they 'custodians' or something else. What's the true historical relationship between the tribes and the area they claim is theirs? My very early understanding of this relationship was that they thought that no one owned the land as it was sacred and that their job was to protect it and care for it. So, more like the 'custodian' concept. When did it switch over to traditional 'ownership'. Maybe I was educated incorrectly and the idea of custodianship is a White concept which allowed us to just take what we wanted. Or, do Aboriginals now claim ownership because they can claim $$ out of it?
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Which mob are you talking about?

Those that live in towns or suburbs wont see it the same way as say a mob in the Kimberley.

Remote indigenous will have for want of a better explanation areas only for men or women, secret men's law / initiations and women's business areas for water, game, fruit etc all with stories woven in and around how why and their connection.

This expands into relationships within the mob who can talk to who where, when and how.

There much much more but hope you get an idea.

Their country isn't just land for survival its at the heart of who they are 99% of whites wouldn't get or understand this.
 
IFocus said:
Which mob are you talking about?
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Good question. Does each 'nation' have a different idea of, and relationship to, the land they live on? No idea. There seems to have been some well defined boundaries between the 'nations' in the past so they must feel some sort of 'ownership' over their turf.

This is one issue with a national Voice to parliament. Just whose Voice is influencing government decisions? Is it a couple of elders from the Kimberley, or is it John Smith, a 5 percenter, living in Fitzroy?
 
IFocus said:
Which mob are you talking about?

Those that live in towns or suburbs wont see it the same way as say a mob in the Kimberley.

Remote indigenous will have for want of a better explanation areas only for men or women, secret men's law / initiations and women's business areas for water, game, fruit etc all with stories woven in and around how why and their connection.

This expands into relationships within the mob who can talk to who where, when and how.

There much much more but hope you get an idea.

Their country isn't just land for survival its at the heart of who they are 99% of whites wouldn't get or understand this.
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And you of course are one of the anointed whitefellas who do? </Rhetoricalquestion>

Also you seem to be indicating that there is no one voice which can represent all indigenous, there are several separate and disparate voices. I would agree with that.

Coincidentally, this is also Jacinta Price's point and why she thinks this proposed body cannot be representative of anyone except the elites.
 
wayneL said:
And you of course are one of the anointed whitefellas who do? </Rhetoricalquestion>

Also you seem to be indicating that there is no one voice which can represent all indigenous, there are several separate and disparate voices. I would agree with that.

Coincidentally, this is also Jacinta Price's point and why she thinks this proposed body cannot be representative of anyone except the elites.
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Be careful who you call white, fella, some may take offence. ;)
 

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