The Voice

[sptrawler]

This is interesting when you consider the ramifications and the fact your ABC posted the article.
Woodside must be thrilled with the result, they're backing the voice, so it must make them grateful that they are complying with indigenous rights.

At least it will bring things to a head, maybe.

Industry leaders warn of 'big ripple effect' on Australian economy after Woodside defeat

Australia's reputation among international investors is on the line after the Scarborough gas project suffered a major legal blow, but it could pave the way for better consultation with traditional owners.

www.abc.net.au

Industry leaders have warned of a "big ripple effect" on Australia's economy and international reputation after Woodside's $19 billion Scarborough gas project suffered a major legal blow on Thursday.

Key points:​

• The Federal Court ruled approval for part of the Scarborough project should not have been given
• An industry leader says the ruling could impact Australia's reputation among investors
• She wants clearer regulations for industry to help them undertake consultation

But they also hope the case will pave the way for the development of clearer regulations to achieve better consultation with traditional owners.

Mardudhunera woman Raelene Cooper claimed a David verse Goliath style victory when the Federal Court effectively slammed the brakes on the gas giant's plans to carry out seismic blasting for the project off WA's Pilbara coast.

The court found an environmental plan for the blasting was invalid and should never have been given approval after Ms Cooper successfully argued she had not been adequately consulted

 

[SirRumpole]

Ms Cooper successfully argued she had not been adequately consulted

So what individuals have a right to be "adequately consulted" under the current legislation ?

It just shows how any development can be caught held up in the courts by someone with a remote connection to the land.

I can hear that one being repeated if any government doesn't give the Voice what they want.

 

[TimeISmoney]

This is interesting when you consider the ramifications and the fact your ABC posted the article.
Woodside must be thrilled with the result, they're backing the voice, so it must make them grateful that they are complying with indigenous rights.

At least it will bring things to a head, maybe.

Industry leaders warn of 'big ripple effect' on Australian economy after Woodside defeat

Australia's reputation among international investors is on the line after the Scarborough gas project suffered a major legal blow, but it could pave the way for better consultation with traditional owners.

www.abc.net.au

Industry leaders have warned of a "big ripple effect" on Australia's economy and international reputation after Woodside's $19 billion Scarborough gas project suffered a major legal blow on Thursday.

Key points:​

• The Federal Court ruled approval for part of the Scarborough project should not have been given
• An industry leader says the ruling could impact Australia's reputation among investors
• She wants clearer regulations for industry to help them undertake consultation

But they also hope the case will pave the way for the development of clearer regulations to achieve better consultation with traditional owners.

Mardudhunera woman Raelene Cooper claimed a David verse Goliath style victory when the Federal Court effectively slammed the brakes on the gas giant's plans to carry out seismic blasting for the project off WA's Pilbara coast.

The court found an environmental plan for the blasting was invalid and should never have been given approval after Ms Cooper successfully argued she had not been adequately consulted

Don't forget Woodside has a tumultuous past with indiginous, it is retaliation because they won't let things in the past go.

The head of one of Australia's mining giants says she supports the Voice to Parliament, but won't commit to following its advice.
Speaking at the National Press Club on Wednesday, Woodside chief executive Meg O’Neill acknowledged the company moved culturally-significant Indigenous rock art in WA during the 1980s, but claimed it was done "in a way that was culturally sensitive at the time".
Advocates have decried the explanation as "deeply offensive" and are demanding Ms O'Neill guarantee 50,000-year-old rock art on the Burrup peninsula, located in sight of a major Woodside operation, won't be damaged if the company expands.

Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek last year approved a fertiliser company's plans to build a plant in the area, which will require the removal of rock art at three sites. The plan had been paused after an outcry from Traditional Owners.

Mining chief backs Voice, but won't promise to follow its advice

The head of one of Australia's biggest mining companies says she backs the Voice, but won't necessarily follow its advice.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[DB008]

How biased our tax funded ABC news has become.

A complete and utter joke. The fact we (as tax payers) are funding misinformation is a disgrace!

Voice to Parliament referendum 'prime target' for foreign interference on Elon Musk's X, former executive warns​

Quick Read​

• In short: Yoel Roth, who led Twitter's moderation and integrity unit, warned the Voice to Parliament was a "prime target" for online disinformation campaigns
• X quietly removed the ability of users to report posts for containing electoral misinformation
• New research showed the major social media platforms approved dozens of blatantly false paid ads about the Voice
• What's next? While X did not respond to the fake paid-ads report, TikTok said it took the claims seriously and would conduct its own inquiries

​

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09...d&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other​

And who is Yoel Roth?

A weak individual who became fodder for US Intel in getting Trump off Twitter

Read to your hearts content - https://twitterfiles.substack.com/archive?sort=new​

.

 

[Smurf1976]

I can hear that one being repeated if any government doesn't give the Voice what they want.

I see it as ending up much like the environment.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who in principle doesn't support the basic concept of making at least some effort to protect the natural environment.

Trouble is, environment all to often becomes merely an excuse to do or not do something the real object of which is buying votes in the big cites. Regional and remote Australia's been thrown under the bus more than once with that trick and it works simply due to the information gap. Those it seeks to appeal to in truth haven't a clue about the issue beyond what some activist told them.

The Voice seems to have very similar potential to be used as a tool to do things that aren't about helping Aboriginal people but which are simply about gaining votes in the big cities.

 

[farmerge]

How biased our tax funded ABC news has become.

A complete and utter joke. The fact we (as tax payers) are funding misinformation is a disgrace!

Voice to Parliament referendum 'prime target' for foreign interference on Elon Musk's X, former executive warns​

Quick Read​

• In short: Yoel Roth, who led Twitter's moderation and integrity unit, warned the Voice to Parliament was a "prime target" for online disinformation campaigns
• X quietly removed the ability of users to report posts for containing electoral misinformation
• New research showed the major social media platforms approved dozens of blatantly false paid ads about the Voice
• What's next? While X did not respond to the fake paid-ads report, TikTok said it took the claims seriously and would conduct its own inquiries

​

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09...d&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other​

And who is Yoel Roth?

A weak individual who became fodder for US Intel in getting Trump off Twitter

Read to your hearts content - https://twitterfiles.substack.com/archive?sort=new​

.

Actually couldn't be bothered with any of it. i am not a follower or reader of any social media spawn.

 

[farmerge]

I see it as ending up much like the environment.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who in principle doesn't support the basic concept of making at least some effort to protect the natural environment.

Trouble is, environment all to often becomes merely an excuse to do or not do something the real object of which is buying votes in the big cites. Regional and remote Australia's been thrown under the bus more than once with that trick and it works simply due to the information gap. Those it seeks to appeal to in truth haven't a clue about the issue beyond what some activist told them.

The Voice seems to have very similar potential to be used as a tool to do things that aren't about helping Aboriginal people but which are simply about gaining votes in the big cities.

And when th peasants in the cities and big towns do see that shinning light it will be far too late to do anything about it.
The gravey train will be in uncontrolable motion.

 

[sptrawler]

I would be very surprised if she doesn't become the first Australian female P.M of aboriginal descent, she carries herself very well, thinks quickly on her feet and isn't drawn into the media narrative.
She has a huge amount of charisma and is a role model for aspirational indigenous people, it will be interesting to watch her rise in the political spectrum IMO, the voice certainly has showcased a shining light for aboriginals in Jacinta Price's case.

That post was #2,609 on the 15 September, even the left leaning press think Albo may have blown his feet off.

It sounds like the media may have cottoned onto it, even the left leaning media, no less.

Albanese just spent $364 million to make Jacinta Price PM

The No campaign leader couples her focus on the terrible disadvantage in Indigenous communities with a message of empowerment and hope.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
Since the prime minister has done nothing to lead or foreground the discussion on Indigenous disadvantage himself, his words have a hollow tone of defeat. But he’s not wrong: the referendum process has created a national forum for newly elected Northern Territory senator Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price to tell the heartbreaking story of her community.

“The striking increase in the No vote suggests that Price, as campaign figurehead, has played a big part in winning people over,” says Resolve pollster Jim Reed. “Even progressives, who may not welcome her message in the same way conservatives would, cannot deny the authentic views of a black woman with hard-won experience.”
James Baillieu, part of the No campaign’s network of supporters and strategists, calls Price the X-factor of the campaign. He recently wrote that she argues to “give people more agency, opportunities, and legs up”. And “most important of all, she brings a positive message of hope”.
The Yes campaign accuses the No campaign of creating division. But perhaps the most uncomfortable thought for Yes campaigners is that far from dividing the country, Price is unifying it around an aspiration for Australia that Yes doesn’t share.

Her stocks within the Coalition have rocketed, generating serious discussion of Price as prime minister material. Nicolle Flint, the retired member for Boothby who is now being touted as a potential state Liberal leader in South Australia, has outlined the considerations involved.
The government budgeted $364.6 million over three years to deliver the referendum to recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait peoples in the Constitution through a Voice to parliament. As the referendum campaign draws into its final days, it is hard to avoid coming to the conclusion that Anthony Albanese has run a $360 million campaign to elect our first female Indigenous prime minister. And she’s not from his side of politics.

 

[moXJO]

That post was #2,609 on the 15 September, even the left leaning press think Albo may have blown his feet off.

It sounds like the media may have cottoned onto it, even the left leaning media, no less.

Albanese just spent $364 million to make Jacinta Price PM

The No campaign leader couples her focus on the terrible disadvantage in Indigenous communities with a message of empowerment and hope.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
Since the prime minister has done nothing to lead or foreground the discussion on Indigenous disadvantage himself, his words have a hollow tone of defeat. But he’s not wrong: the referendum process has created a national forum for newly elected Northern Territory senator Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price to tell the heartbreaking story of her community.

“The striking increase in the No vote suggests that Price, as campaign figurehead, has played a big part in winning people over,” says Resolve pollster Jim Reed. “Even progressives, who may not welcome her message in the same way conservatives would, cannot deny the authentic views of a black woman with hard-won experience.”
James Baillieu, part of the No campaign’s network of supporters and strategists, calls Price the X-factor of the campaign. He recently wrote that she argues to “give people more agency, opportunities, and legs up”. And “most important of all, she brings a positive message of hope”.
The Yes campaign accuses the No campaign of creating division. But perhaps the most uncomfortable thought for Yes campaigners is that far from dividing the country, Price is unifying it around an aspiration for Australia that Yes doesn’t share.

Her stocks within the Coalition have rocketed, generating serious discussion of Price as prime minister material. Nicolle Flint, the retired member for Boothby who is now being touted as a potential state Liberal leader in South Australia, has outlined the considerations involved.
The government budgeted $364.6 million over three years to deliver the referendum to recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait peoples in the Constitution through a Voice to parliament. As the referendum campaign draws into its final days, it is hard to avoid coming to the conclusion that Anthony Albanese has run a $360 million campaign to elect our first female Indigenous prime minister. And she’s not from his side of politics.

Jacinta as lib leader would absolutely solve a lot of the libs problems. Dutton has no chance, I wouldn't vote for that flog.

A lot of pressure for someone so young though. Would be interesting as I do believe her and Mundine are actually committed to the right way of raising people up. Whereas the leftist dipshts are scrambling for taxpayer funds.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

forgive me if this has been mentioned prior.

$2.6B budget. established 2019.

The Agency

Our vision Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are heard, recognised and empowered. Our purpose The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) works in genuine partnership to enable the self-determination and aspirations of First Nations communities. We lead and influence change...

www.niaa.gov.au

 

[sptrawler]

Jacinta as lib leader would absolutely solve a lot of the libs problems. Dutton has no chance, I wouldn't vote for that flog.

A lot of pressure for someone so young though. Would be interesting as I do believe her and Mundine are actually committed to the right way of raising people up. Whereas the leftist dipshts are scrambling for taxpayer funds.

She will have learnt a hell of a lot with the voice road trip, she has stared down a hostile media, which is no mean feat.
A lot of older more seasoned politicians would have wilted under the barrage she has copped.
Also it would be a huge step forward for aboriginals and Australia in general, it is about time the next generation of politicians stepped up.

 

[wayneL]

Jacinta as lib leader would absolutely solve a lot of the libs problems. Dutton has no chance, I wouldn't vote for that flog.

A lot of pressure for someone so young though. Would be interesting as I do believe her and Mundine are actually committed to the right way of raising people up. Whereas the leftist dipshts are scrambling for taxpayer funds.

She will have learnt a hell of a lot with the voice road trip, she has stared down a hostile media, which is no mean feat.
A lot of older more seasoned politicians would have wilted under the barrage she has copped.
Also it would be a huge step forward for aboriginals and Australia in general, it is about time the next generation of politicians stepped up.

She also holds reasonably ¹old school Liberal Party values, rather than pandering to people who will never vote for them. There is also a whole cohort of ²old school Labor voters which may find some appeal.

I would certainly encourage her to progress along that path. Who knows, maybe I might be tempted back into the fold, that would take a massive overall reformation, however.

It might just inspire our indigenous friends into different, more productive path also.

¹ The Menzian, classical liberalism roots of the Liberal Party

² Working/aspirational/middle class folks who have been forsaken by Labor in favour of woke inner city yuppies.

 

[SirRumpole]

Working/aspirational/middle class folks who have been forsaken by Labor in favour of woke inner city yuppies.

That generally means younger people trying to get a decent education without excessive debt and buy a house, both of which have been denied them by cashed up politicians on both sides who own their own houses and want to own other people's houses, and who probably got free uni degrees thanks to Whitlam.

 

[wayneL]

That generally means younger people trying to get a decent education without excessive debt and buy a house, both of which have been denied them by cashed up politicians on both sides who own their own houses and want to own other people's houses, and who probably got free uni degrees thanks to Whitlam.

The problem is certainly multifaceted, Horace. I really am sympathetic with younger people's plight, I really am. I certainly am not one of those boomers who will say to stop buying smashed avocado and all that nonsense. But pandering to social causes and not these particular economics is a distraction which will not solve anything and will only make things worse.

The economic structure as it stands is certainly not reasonably fair to each strata or each age group. This is why I long for a return to the old school, as acrimonious as it was even then.

...white picket fences and CEOs who didn't earn multi-million $ salaries and payouts for FingUBAR.

I'm not into *equanimity but do think that working people should reasonably be able to afford a house. Equally, these ridiculous salary packages at the expense of shareholders is ridiculous.

Holy **** I almost sound like a socialist... Nah, just fair recompense for value added to society.

 

[TimeISmoney]

That generally means younger people trying to get a decent education without excessive debt and buy a house, both of which have been denied them by cashed up politicians on both sides who own their own houses and want to own other people's houses, and who probably got free uni degrees thanks to Whitlam.

Think of why we've had to go pr0n a higher education system to the highest bidder and push real estate to ridiculous prices where govts have a good feed all round. Australia is going to be a joke in 10 years time, the holes in the ground will be all cut off by environmentalists and then we can all beg the govt for food that comes from third-world countries that gets grown by people who get paid $1/hr to work.

 

[moXJO]

Public service wages will eventually bury us.

 

[Smurf1976]

Today for the first time in a very long time I heard a couple arguing about a political issue. Can't remember the last time I heard that but it was a long time ago.

Long story short - I heard enough to get that ones a life long Labor voter and furious about the Voice to the point of being ready to jump ship. The other's still in the Labor camp.

Meanwhile we've got an ongoing crisis with housing and inflation and plenty of other problems simmering beneath the surface ready to bubble up at any moment.

 

[farmerge]

Today for the first time in a very long time I heard a couple arguing about a political issue. Can't remember the last time I heard that but it was a long time ago.

Long story short - I heard enough to get that ones a life long Labor voter and furious about the Voice to the point of being ready to jump ship. The other's still in the Labor camp.

Meanwhile we've got an ongoing crisis with housing and inflation and plenty of other problems simmering beneath the surface ready to bubble up at any moment.

Ahh but the wasting of $360 million is far more important than the housing issues and all the other ones bubbling away under the surface.

 

[sptrawler]

Ahh but the wasting of $360 million is far more important than the housing issues and all the other ones bubbling away under the surface.

The housing issue is making the elites richer and at the same time adding $hit loads of extra stamp duty to the State coffers.
This is creating the greatest wealth divide in a long time, I really cant see how it will end well.
Meanwhile all the talk is about dissadvantage, well workers paying over $2 a litre to get to work and watching the value of their savings losing ground to house prices, is pretty disheartening.
There is a lot of 'not happy Jan' going on ATM.

 

[wayneL]

Albo stepped in it here LMAO incompetent