The Voice

[SirRumpole]

I think it's great. I've voted 38 times. Going for a 39th after lunch.

I'm old and have mental health issues so all good.

Can you remember how you voted ?

 

[The Triangle]

Can you remember how you voted ?

I voted no.

What was interesting was listening to a woman on ABC or SBS today talking about how they needed a voice for people 'living in the bush' That's the first time I've actually heard someone say that (and I somewhat agree) but even with a yes vote - it's just going to be the urban elite western raised aboriginals who end up with the voice and they'll continue to neglect those who actually live bush and regional Australia - just like the urban whites neglect regional Australian whites.

 

[Smurf1976]

What was interesting was listening to a woman on ABC or SBS today talking about how they needed a voice for people 'living in the bush'

If the referendum were for a Voice to represent all people living outside the big cities then there'd be a very different debate.

For a start, the media and political establishment would be very strongly against it.

Second there's be a good chance it'd succeed. It would almost certainly have overwhelming support from those in regional and remote areas, and likewise conservatives in the cities would probably back it as well.

One of the great problems of Australian politics is city "progressives" who are all for democracy and progress so long as it means people in regional areas doing exactly what those who rarely leave eastern Sydney and who know nothing about the subject at hand tell them they must do.

 

[farmerge]

I think it's great. I've voted 38 times. Going for a 39th after lunch.

I'm old and have mental health issues so all good.

@The Triangle And with a record like that 50 times is not out of the question.

 

[moXJO]

I find it stupid you can vote as much as you want. Even if you get caught it's still counted because they don't know how you voted. You can also vote under other people's names at multiple locations which means you won't get a fine.

Apparently they have a margin for fraud. The results can be contested (but good luck with that). It needs to become an electronic electoral roll with id. It's bloody ridiculous after what's been happening around the world.

 

[sptrawler]

At dinner last night, there was another couple from Queensland at the table, they same as us couldn't postal vote as they also didn't receive the ballot papers.
It will be interesting to see how this vote goes, maybe it will end up in the conspiracy thread, who knows.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Both sides appear quite shrill presently.

Even prominent Indigenous man, Ray Martin, has descended from his usually polished 1/16th to some of the other 15/16th's behaviour, possibly Irish, Polish, Yazedi or dare I say it Lilliputian.

How tall is he anyway?

As they say down the pub, it is a f**kin' j*ke.

gg

 

[wayneL]

Both sides appear quite shrill presently.

Even prominent Indigenous man, Ray Martin, has descended from his usually polished 1/16th to some of the other 15/16th's behaviour, possibly Irish, Polish, Yazedi or dare I say it Lilliputian.

How tall is he anyway?

As they say down the pub, it is a f**kin' j*ke.

gg

Ray Martin was simply projecting.

 

[TimeISmoney]

 

[sptrawler]

Both sides appear quite shrill presently.

Even prominent Indigenous man, Ray Martin, has descended from his usually polished 1/16th to some of the other 15/16th's behaviour, possibly Irish, Polish, Yazedi or dare I say it Lilliputian.

How tall is he anyway?

As they say down the pub, it is a f**kin' j*ke.

gg

I wonder how many Ray has around for a BBQ, or how many he houses to help them out, it is all getting a bit sickening IMO.
I wonder how many elites will forgo their stage 3 tax cuts and instead ask that it be directed to the disadvantaged aboriginals, the Government ministers could actually lead the charge.

 

[TimeISmoney]

I wonder how many Ray has around for a BBQ, or how many he houses to help them out, it is all getting a bit sickening IMO.
I wonder how many elites will forgo their stage 3 tax cuts and instead ask that it be directed to the disadvantaged aboriginals, the Government ministers could actually lead the charge.

I've got a few hard leaning left friends and it's quite comical when you tell them to forfeit their pay to help people who are less fortunate than them. They're the type of people that as soon as they hear someone getting some type of tax rebate, they run straight to their accountant trying to get the same thing.

 

[Smurf1976]

I've got a few hard leaning left friends and it's quite comical when you tell them to forfeit their pay to help people who are less fortunate than them. They're the type of people that as soon as they hear someone getting some type of tax rebate, they run straight to their accountant trying to get the same thing.

It used to be the case that the Left represented the lower half of society in socio-economic terms. The unemployed, the genuinely disadvantaged and those employed but in lower paid work.

Those days are long gone and today the reverse is largely true, today the Left represents both extremes but not the middle. It represents wealth and it represents welfare but it doesn't represent workers.

 

[TimeISmoney]

This is interesting.

 

[Knobby22]

Saw in rhe news today. US owned tech firm Callhub has cancelled their contract with the No vote call centre run by Advance Australia and thereby withdrawn their platform due to concerns about misinformation and prejudice problems.

Advance Australia are keenly looking for a new provider.

 

[IFocus]

It used to be the case that the Left represented the lower half of society in socio-economic terms. The unemployed, the genuinely disadvantaged and those employed but in lower paid work.

Those days are long gone and today the reverse is largely true, today the Left represents both extremes but not the middle. It represents wealth and it represents welfare but it doesn't represent workers.

Certainly the picture Dutton and Co want people to believe after years of Coalition policy attacking working conditions and pay you could call it US Republican lite.

Without addressing that if I may I think your post lacks context.

The Coalition are currently fighting tooth and nail against Labors current legislation before parliament benefiting the very people you mention above.

The Coalition have also fought tooth and nail against Labor's housing policy to try and help address lack of housing for the disadvantage (I know it won't address the whole problem but its something against the Coalitions nothing)

Read this thread and see the attacks against those who are disadvantaged with absolutely no sympathy this is against the raw truth that it actually exists and is stark yet you are one of the very few who looks to the problems and solutions.

Further still it those who are at the pointy end of all this working for and arguing the case on behalf of (for little or no reward) that get disparaged the most, lumped in and poisoned labeled as some leftard, leftist, communist do gooder that doesn't know the real word.

I could go on but you get the picture.

 

[TimeISmoney]

Certainly the picture Dutton and Co want people to believe after years of Coalition policy attacking working conditions and pay you could call it US Republican lite.

Without addressing that if I may I think your post lacks context.

The Coalition are currently fighting tooth and nail against Labors current legislation before parliament benefiting the very people you mention above.

The Coalition have also fought tooth and nail against Labor's housing policy to try and help address lack of housing for the disadvantage (I know it won't address the whole problem but its something against the Coalitions nothing)

Read this thread and see the attacks against those who are disadvantaged with absolutely no sympathy this is against the raw truth that it actually exists and is stark yet you are one of the very few who looks to the problems and solutions.

Further still it those who are at the pointy end of all this working for and arguing the case on behalf of (for little or no reward) that get disparaged the most, lumped in and poisoned labeled as some leftard, leftist, communist do gooder that doesn't know the real word.

I could go on but you get the picture.

Greens are the ones that have blocked the housing grant even though it's undeliverable in the first place. Labor lives in fantasy land, there's no possible way to get affordable housing up and running within a few months or even years. Let me tell you something Ifocus, the labor govt in Qld knew of the projected population growth prior to 2014. What have they done? Invite more migrants into Australia to help. The coalition and Labor are both useless governments that line their pockets first, Albo just took a pay rise while the poor in Australia is going through a cost of living crisis, if that's not a slap in the face I don't know what is.

 

[SirRumpole]

Both parties are pathetic imho.

First you have the Coalition that boasted about taking $billions out of university and VET funding and strangely enough we have skills shortages in virtually every profession and trade. Who'da thunk it ?

Not to mention making housing into an investment and tax reduction vehicle for their mates and now we have the most unaffordable housing in the world.

Those dills should not be let near government for a decade at least.

Then we have Labor that is obsessed with a small minority and seem out of their depth in attacking the big problems that affect us all.

Poor feller my country indeed.

 

[sptrawler]

Certainly the picture Dutton and Co want people to believe after years of Coalition policy attacking working conditions and pay you could call it US Republican lite.

Without addressing that if I may I think your post lacks context.

The Coalition are currently fighting tooth and nail against Labors current legislation before parliament benefiting the very people you mention above.

The Coalition have also fought tooth and nail against Labor's housing policy to try and help address lack of housing for the disadvantage (I know it won't address the whole problem but its something against the Coalitions nothing)

Read this thread and see the attacks against those who are disadvantaged with absolutely no sympathy this is against the raw truth that it actually exists and is stark yet you are one of the very few who looks to the problems and solutions.

Further still it those who are at the pointy end of all this working for and arguing the case on behalf of (for little or no reward) that get disparaged the most, lumped in and poisoned labeled as some leftard, leftist, communist do gooder that doesn't know the real word.

I could go on but you get the picture.

Your post actually supports smurfs points, Labor are fighting tooth and nail for those most needy, social housing and increasing the aboriginal affairs portfolio, which will be funded by the middle class wage slave.

Meanwhile the rich are gong to get a tax cut, while the value of their property portfolios skyrocket.

Meanwhile the aspirational wage slave sees their dream of buying a house dissapear, which is the main purpose that they go to work for, so really what @Smurf1976 said is actually far more an accurate summation than your cult like hyme sheet belief in a bygone era.
No one is saying that those less fortunate shouldnt be looked after, but when you end up with workers ending up back in the social housing queues as it was in the 1960's, have Labor really looked after the middle class? Pointing the finger at the opposition no longer works, the opposition didn't lift the retirement age, they didn't hammer the single mothers, they didn't stuff the education system and they aren't the ones who are currently shattering workers dreams by mass imigration and soaring rents and house prices.
That's what the blue collar sees, not some bygone dream and wives tales, that's why the middle class is leaving Labor in droves and their support has shifted to the elites as the gap between the the haves and have nots accelerates.
One of the main underlying problems Labor has is that it has been hijacked by the elites, it is full of upwardly mobile intellectuals, lawyers etc that have never lived in the bush, it's become an upper class w@nk tank of dreamers IMO

 

[SirRumpole]

they (the Coalition) didn't stuff the education system

Yes they did.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes they did.

Well we both have different takes on that I guess and I suppose it boils back to what you personally want and expect from an education system.
Much like the voice and what it is trying to achieve, as usual Labor tries to re invent the wheel, rather than fix the one they have.
But to debate the education disaster and the complete 180 degree turn they have just done, we could move this over to the education thread.
There we could discuss who made a degree a prerequisite for a baristas job while at the same time dropping the value of our degrees and the slide on the world standards scale and who brought in competency standards to gut the apprenticeship training scheme, that should be a good start.