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The Voice

Oh dear, as someone who has the time and luxury to watch QT all day, Labor is hanging their hat on the Uluru Statement. I'm sure a few people voted for it, but I doubt they actually knew what is was about.
Jesus! I reckon if I was home all day my missus would end up shivving me in liver

Anyhoo, in my circle people are asking when the hell the government is going to address everyday problems that we are all experiencing.

People are just not feeling represented at all, while the focus is on creating an Apartheid.
 

Yes, that's a risk.

I'd prefer to be riding horses. My last attempt at staying in the saddle.
 
Taking a few steps back:

I doubt there'd be many Australians who aren't in favour of the fundamental principle that the "gap" be closed. Nobody seems to be arguing against that concept in principle. Even the more extreme opponents of the Voice don't seem to be saying that.

When they think of the gap being closed however, most envisage doing so by lifting the bottom up to match the rest. What I suspect many are concerned about is the prospect that what we actually see is the rest, or at least a portion of the rest, lowered as a consequence of the approach taken.

That's not too far fetched when we consider Australia's economic reliance on resource extraction, a good portion of which takes place in areas potentially on Aboriginal land or subject to a claim, and that we already have precedents with other policies that have in practice harmed a substantial portion of society.

In principle well sure, close the gap, lift everybody up. No problems there.

It's going to be a nightmare though if we end up with unclear authority on the part of the Federal Government.

I liken it to the Lima Agreement. Sounds like a great idea "on paper". Sure, lift the poorer countries up and so on. Trouble is nobody seemed to comprehend that the means of doing it would involve hollowing out the middle class in developed countries, creating an underclass as a consequence of doing so. Even among those unfamiliar with how it came to be, I think there's a lot of wariness about anything which goes further down that track.
 
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If it's just a matter of providing a mechanism for input for ATSI people, those mechanisms already exist for the rest of us, via writing to our local representatives or talking to them at their offices.

Given that a lot of ATSI communities are remote, then the communications to those settlements should be improved or the Parliamentary reps should visit them more often to get their input. That's a pretty simple matter to resolve, no Constitutional changes or expensive bodies of unknown operation are needed. It's a job for the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs to organise her Department efficiently so as to get the input required.
 
Rio Tinto, whose destruction of the Juukan Gorge led to cultural heritage legislation in Western Australia that is now set to be repealed, has written to traditional owners promising not to backtrack on the laws, says its Australian boss.

Kellie Parker, speaking at The Australian Financial Review BOSSs Young Executives Summit after returning from last weekend’s Garma Festival, also warned that Australian racism over The Voice referendum had boiled over.

“There’s a number of senior Indigenous leaders who are under enormous racial attack at the moment – vile racial attack – and that’s distressing that Australians can’t have a respectful debate, that racism really, truly comes through,” she said.

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hey, I didn't blow up Juukan Gorge
 
It's impossible to close the gap, the remote communities mostly live under tribal law and values, and their laws don't promote equality. The head clans get all the money and disperse it how they like. The Indigenous hierarchy fills their pockets first and what's left they disperse it to the people under them, just look at Yunupingu he had multiple wives that he used to visit via helicopter. There are still clans that are feuding from over 100 years ago, they can't let go of anything and move on. Until they change their core values it will be throwing money on a fire, the left needs to open their eyes and see what really happens in these communities.

 
No surprise there, it's the same thing around the world. This is how the US has pushed the native americans into a corner.
 
It's becoming clearer that we are not voting for The Voice, but for the Uluru Statement From the Heart, in full. Albo has stated that, architects of The Voice have said it - The Voice is just the first stage and a mechanism to ensure the rest of it gets in.

I think we've all seen the one page statement that Albo has been selling, but it's actually a bit longer.

Here's the full statement.

The treaty part starting on page 104 is interesting:

Treaty

The pursuit of Treaty and treaties was strongly supported across the Dialogues. Treaty was seen as a pathway to recognition of sovereignty and for achieving future meaningful reform for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples.

Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self determination, autonomy and self-government. The Dialogues discussed who would be the parties to Treaty, as well as the process, content and enforcement questions that pursuing Treaty raises. In relation to process, these questions included whether a Treaty should be negotiated first as a national framework agreement under which regional and local treaties are made. In relation to content, the Dialogues discussed that a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. In relation to enforcement, the issues raised were about the legal force the Treaty should have, and particularly whether it should be backed by legislation or given constitutional force.
 
Interesting. Thorpe and Price want inquiry into Land Councils and what they do with "their" money.

Lidia Thorpe erupts at Labor for 'whitesplaining' as she joins Jacinta Price and another indigenous senator in stunning push for a powerful inquiry into Aboriginal corporations​



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Ms Thorpe said there must be a thorough investigation into Aboriginal Land Councils and similar organisations, noting she's witnessed everyone but the traditional owners benefit from deals struck within high levels of the bodies.

'People in the Latrobe Valley are so poor that we have young people stealing food from our old people, and we have a deadly native title corporation up the road raking in millions,' she noted."


"West Australian Senator Louise Pratt formally refused the motion on behalf of the Labor party, accusing the senators of 'playing politics' and using this as a means of distracting from the Voice to Parliament, which will be put to a referendum this year."
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Among Ms Nampijinpa Price's primary concerns are 'the role, governance and accountability requirements of Aboriginal Land Councils and/or similar governing bodies across Australia, their respective members and how these are maintained'.

Ms Nampijinpa Price hopes the inquiry will provide clarity on 'how Aboriginal Land Councils or similar governing bodies... are impacting the communities they act on behalf of'.

She also mentioned an investigation into 'how Traditional Owners are consulted in making decisions that impact the entire community'.

The inquiry, to be held by the Finance and Public Administration References Committee if the motion succeeds, would be asked to consider whether there are other opportunities to 'provide greater community-led benefit'. "


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More in the article.

If powerful indigenous people are calling for an inquiry, there must be a smell coming up somewhere.
 
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How can you have indigenous people living on the streets for years and have all this money thrown at land councils? This is a move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, and Price has her head screwed on properly unlike many of the other representatives.
 

At 30 June 2022, the Aboriginals Benefit Account held $1.394 billion in term deposits with Australian banks.


At 30 June 2022, there were 3,521 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander corporations registered under the CATSI Act, including 243 registered native title bodies corporate.


Infrastructure and housing: While housing is primarily a state and territory responsibility, the NIAA’s role is to manage targeted Commonwealth co-funding, to support jurisdictions in greatest need of more housing for First Nations peoples


 

$1.4 billion and kids are running around barefoot.

What the hell is going on ?
 

Higher complexity than that but on the right track unfortunately politics has killed it.

The Voice is a creation under the Coalition. Many conservatives both in the Coalition and outside politics worked to get it up.
That includes the path to treaty but not in this term of government.

Labor changed the wording to allow advice to be given to the executive of government nothing else that I am aware of.

It should have been bipartisan for the sake of progress for Aboriginals.
Dutton attended many meeting and was invited to contribute but recorded as saying nothing.

Note Dutton supports a Voice and recognition... Politics at play when you have weak leadership needing a win.

The Coalition are running a No campaign the falsehoods are truly shocking also repeated here.

You can see divisive the fear campaign working well as shown in this thread.

Throw in racism which resides deeply and widely in Australia, an example is Pauline Hanson thrown out of the Liberal Party for racsis views then elected for the same views and re-elected directing hate at the Asian community.
Hanson is quoted on ASF frequently providing proof the the above point.

So absolutely no focus on the Voice or even an alternative but really appreciate at least some one wanting to actually discuss.

Cheers
 
Hansen got a following because a suburb where she ran a fish and chip shop was overtaken by drug lords in broad daylight and no other MP would do anything.
 
absolutely no focus on the Voice or even an alternative but really appreciate at least some one wanting to actually discuss.
You keep ignoring the rational alternative which is a legislated Voice which would pass imo.

The option of repealing it needs to be there in case of corruption or malfeasance as with any government body.
 
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