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Sean K said:
Oh dear, as someone who has the time and luxury to watch QT all day, Labor is hanging their hat on the Uluru Statement. I'm sure a few people voted for it, but I doubt they actually knew what is was about.
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Jesus! I reckon if I was home all day my missus would end up shivving me in liver :laugh:

Anyhoo, in my circle people are asking when the hell the government is going to address everyday problems that we are all experiencing.

People are just not feeling represented at all, while the focus is on creating an Apartheid.
 
wayneL said:
Jesus! I reckon if I was home all day my missus would end up shivving me in liver :laugh:

Anyhoo, in my circle people are asking when the hell the government is going to address everyday problems that we are all experiencing.

People are just not feeling represented at all, while the focus is on creating an Apartheid.
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Yes, that's a risk.

I'd prefer to be riding horses. My last attempt at staying in the saddle.
 
Sean K said:
Yes, that's a risk.

I'd prefer to be riding horses. My last attempt at staying in the saddle.
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Taking a few steps back:

I doubt there'd be many Australians who aren't in favour of the fundamental principle that the "gap" be closed. Nobody seems to be arguing against that concept in principle. Even the more extreme opponents of the Voice don't seem to be saying that.

When they think of the gap being closed however, most envisage doing so by lifting the bottom up to match the rest. What I suspect many are concerned about is the prospect that what we actually see is the rest, or at least a portion of the rest, lowered as a consequence of the approach taken.

That's not too far fetched when we consider Australia's economic reliance on resource extraction, a good portion of which takes place in areas potentially on Aboriginal land or subject to a claim, and that we already have precedents with other policies that have in practice harmed a substantial portion of society.

In principle well sure, close the gap, lift everybody up. No problems there.

It's going to be a nightmare though if we end up with unclear authority on the part of the Federal Government.

I liken it to the Lima Agreement. Sounds like a great idea "on paper". Sure, lift the poorer countries up and so on. Trouble is nobody seemed to comprehend that the means of doing it would involve hollowing out the middle class in developed countries, creating an underclass as a consequence of doing so. Even among those unfamiliar with how it came to be, I think there's a lot of wariness about anything which goes further down that track. :2twocents
 
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Smurf1976 said:
Taking a few steps back:

I doubt there'd be many Australians who aren't in favour of the fundamental principle that the "gap" be closed. Nobody seems to be arguing against that concept in principle. Even the more extreme opponents of the Voice don't seem to be saying that.

When they think of the gap being closed however, most envisage doing so by lifting the bottom up to match the rest. What I suspect many are concerned about is the prospect that what we actually see is the rest, or at least a portion of the rest, lowered as a consequence of the approach taken.

That's not too far fetched when we consider Australia's economic reliance on resource extraction, a good portion of which takes place in areas potentially on Aboriginal land or subject to a claim, and that we already have precedents with other policies that have in practice harmed a substantial portion of society.

In principle well sure, close the gap, lift everybody up. No problems there.

It's going to be a nightmare though if we end up with unclear authority on the part of the Federal Government.

I liken it to the Lima Agreement. Sounds like a great idea "on paper". Sure, lift the poorer countries up and so on. Trouble is nobody seemed to comprehend that the means of doing it would involve hollowing out the middle class in developed countries, creating an underclass as a consequence of doing so. Even among those unfamiliar with how it came to be, I think there's a lot of wariness about anything which goes further down that track. :2twocents
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If it's just a matter of providing a mechanism for input for ATSI people, those mechanisms already exist for the rest of us, via writing to our local representatives or talking to them at their offices.

Given that a lot of ATSI communities are remote, then the communications to those settlements should be improved or the Parliamentary reps should visit them more often to get their input. That's a pretty simple matter to resolve, no Constitutional changes or expensive bodies of unknown operation are needed. It's a job for the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs to organise her Department efficiently so as to get the input required.
 
Rio Tinto, whose destruction of the Juukan Gorge led to cultural heritage legislation in Western Australia that is now set to be repealed, has written to traditional owners promising not to backtrack on the laws, says its Australian boss.

Kellie Parker, speaking at The Australian Financial Review BOSSs Young Executives Summit after returning from last weekend’s Garma Festival, also warned that Australian racism over The Voice referendum had boiled over.

“There’s a number of senior Indigenous leaders who are under enormous racial attack at the moment – vile racial attack – and that’s distressing that Australians can’t have a respectful debate, that racism really, truly comes through,” she said.

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hey, I didn't blow up Juukan Gorge
 
SirRumpole said:
If it's just a matter of providing a mechanism for input for ATSI people, those mechanisms already exist for the rest of us, via writing to our local representatives or talking to them at their offices.

Given that a lot of ATSI communities are remote, then the communications to those settlements should be improved or the Parliamentary reps should visit them more often to get their input. That's a pretty simple matter to resolve, no Constitutional changes or expensive bodies of unknown operation are needed. It's a job for the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs to organise her Department efficiently so as to get the input required.
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It's impossible to close the gap, the remote communities mostly live under tribal law and values, and their laws don't promote equality. The head clans get all the money and disperse it how they like. The Indigenous hierarchy fills their pockets first and what's left they disperse it to the people under them, just look at Yunupingu he had multiple wives that he used to visit via helicopter. There are still clans that are feuding from over 100 years ago, they can't let go of anything and move on. Until they change their core values it will be throwing money on a fire, the left needs to open their eyes and see what really happens in these communities.

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Rio Tinto, whose destruction of the Juukan Gorge led to cultural heritage legislation in Western Australia that is now set to be repealed, has written to traditional owners promising not to backtrack on the laws, says its Australian boss.

Kellie Parker, speaking at The Australian Financial Review BOSSs Young Executives Summit after returning from last weekend’s Garma Festival, also warned that Australian racism over The Voice referendum had boiled over.

“There’s a number of senior Indigenous leaders who are under enormous racial attack at the moment – vile racial attack – and that’s distressing that Australians can’t have a respectful debate, that racism really, truly comes through,” she said.

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hey, I didn't blow up Juukan Gorge
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No surprise there, it's the same thing around the world. This is how the US has pushed the native americans into a corner.
 
It's becoming clearer that we are not voting for The Voice, but for the Uluru Statement From the Heart, in full. Albo has stated that, architects of The Voice have said it - The Voice is just the first stage and a mechanism to ensure the rest of it gets in.

I think we've all seen the one page statement that Albo has been selling, but it's actually a bit longer.

Here's the full statement.

The treaty part starting on page 104 is interesting:

Treaty

The pursuit of Treaty and treaties was strongly supported across the Dialogues. Treaty was seen as a pathway to recognition of sovereignty and for achieving future meaningful reform for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples.

Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self determination, autonomy and self-government. The Dialogues discussed who would be the parties to Treaty, as well as the process, content and enforcement questions that pursuing Treaty raises. In relation to process, these questions included whether a Treaty should be negotiated first as a national framework agreement under which regional and local treaties are made. In relation to content, the Dialogues discussed that a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. In relation to enforcement, the issues raised were about the legal force the Treaty should have, and particularly whether it should be backed by legislation or given constitutional force.
 
Interesting. Thorpe and Price want inquiry into Land Councils and what they do with "their" money.

Lidia Thorpe erupts at Labor for 'whitesplaining' as she joins Jacinta Price and another indigenous senator in stunning push for a powerful inquiry into Aboriginal corporations​


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Sensational bid to investigate spending on First Nations bodies

The staunch No vote advocate said she wants an inquiry into 'the scope of services funded by the Australian government... for Aboriginal organisations'.
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Ms Thorpe said there must be a thorough investigation into Aboriginal Land Councils and similar organisations, noting she's witnessed everyone but the traditional owners benefit from deals struck within high levels of the bodies.

'People in the Latrobe Valley are so poor that we have young people stealing food from our old people, and we have a deadly native title corporation up the road raking in millions,' she noted."


"West Australian Senator Louise Pratt formally refused the motion on behalf of the Labor party, accusing the senators of 'playing politics' and using this as a means of distracting from the Voice to Parliament, which will be put to a referendum this year."
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Among Ms Nampijinpa Price's primary concerns are 'the role, governance and accountability requirements of Aboriginal Land Councils and/or similar governing bodies across Australia, their respective members and how these are maintained'.

Ms Nampijinpa Price hopes the inquiry will provide clarity on 'how Aboriginal Land Councils or similar governing bodies... are impacting the communities they act on behalf of'.

She also mentioned an investigation into 'how Traditional Owners are consulted in making decisions that impact the entire community'.

The inquiry, to be held by the Finance and Public Administration References Committee if the motion succeeds, would be asked to consider whether there are other opportunities to 'provide greater community-led benefit'. "

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If powerful indigenous people are calling for an inquiry, there must be a smell coming up somewhere.
 
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SirRumpole said:
Interesting. Thorpe and Price want inquiry into Land Councils and what they do with "their" money.

Lidia Thorpe erupts at Labor for 'whitesplaining' as she joins Jacinta Price and another indigenous senator in stunning push for a powerful inquiry into Aboriginal corporations​


www.dailymail.co.uk

Sensational bid to investigate spending on First Nations bodies

The staunch No vote advocate said she wants an inquiry into 'the scope of services funded by the Australian government... for Aboriginal organisations'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

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Ms Thorpe said there must be a thorough investigation into Aboriginal Land Councils and similar organisations, noting she's witnessed everyone but the traditional owners benefit from deals struck within high levels of the bodies.

'People in the Latrobe Valley are so poor that we have young people stealing food from our old people, and we have a deadly native title corporation up the road raking in millions,' she noted."


"West Australian Senator Louise Pratt formally refused the motion on behalf of the Labor party, accusing the senators of 'playing politics' and using this as a means of distracting from the Voice to Parliament, which will be put to a referendum this year."
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Among Ms Nampijinpa Price's primary concerns are 'the role, governance and accountability requirements of Aboriginal Land Councils and/or similar governing bodies across Australia, their respective members and how these are maintained'.

Ms Nampijinpa Price hopes the inquiry will provide clarity on 'how Aboriginal Land Councils or similar governing bodies... are impacting the communities they act on behalf of'.

She also mentioned an investigation into 'how Traditional Owners are consulted in making decisions that impact the entire community'.

The inquiry, to be held by the Finance and Public Administration References Committee if the motion succeeds, would be asked to consider whether there are other opportunities to 'provide greater community-led benefit'. "

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More in the article.

If powerful indigenous people are calling for an inquiry, there must be a smell coming up somewhere.
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How can you have indigenous people living on the streets for years and have all this money thrown at land councils? This is a move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, and Price has her head screwed on properly unlike many of the other representatives.
 
TimeISmoney said:
How can you have indigenous people living on the streets for years and have all this money thrown at land councils? This is a move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, and Price has her head screwed on properly unlike many of the other representatives.
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At 30 June 2022, the Aboriginals Benefit Account held $1.394 billion in term deposits with Australian banks.

Appendix C - Aboriginals Benefit Account Annual Report 2021-22

Aboriginals Benefit Account overview

The Aboriginals Benefit Account (ABA) is legislated under the Aboriginal Land Rights (Northern Territory) Act 1976 (Land Rights Act). It is a special account for the purposes of the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013 (PGPA Act).

The ABA receives and distributes monies generated from mining on Aboriginal land in the Northern Territory. Payments into the ABA are based on royalty equivalents that are determined by the estimated value of the statutory royalty payments.

The Minister for Indigenous Australians allocates funds from the ABA to the 4 Northern Territory land councils (Northern Land Council, Central Land Council, Anindilyakwa Land Council and Tiwi Land Council) for administrative purposes.

The Minister also approves grants for the benefit of Aboriginal people living in the Northern Territory, taking into consideration advice provided by the ABA Advisory Committee. The committee is established under subsection 65(1) of the Land Rights Act to advise the Minister on beneficial payments under subsection 64(4). In 2021–22 the committee comprised 14 members elected by the 4 land councils, a Chair, and one member appointed on the basis of their professional expertise in land management. Ms Leeanne Caton was appointed Chair of the Committee for a 2-year term from 10 November 2020. The committee provided advice in relation to beneficial payments on 112 applications.

The role of the ABA Advisory Committee will cease following the commencement of the Northern Territory Aboriginal Investment Corporation (see page 200).

At 30 June 2022, the net assets of the ABA were $1.419 billion (excluding future commitments). This represents a 2.9 per cent increase from $1.379 billion at 30 June 2021. The variation largely reflects the surplus in operating activities attributable to mining royalty equivalents income.

Funds from the ABA are distributed to royalty associations in areas affected by mining. In addition, the Land Rights Act provides for lease administration costs of approved Commonwealth entities and other leases administered by the Executive Director of Township Leasing.

The NIAA is responsible for advising the minister on the overall policy and financial management of the ABA. The NIAA also provides secretariat support to the committee and manages the ABA subsection 64(4) grants.
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At 30 June 2022, there were 3,521 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander corporations registered under the CATSI Act, including 243 registered native title bodies corporate.

Appendix D - Register of Indigenous Corporations Annual Report 2021-22

The Registrar of Indigenous Corporations is an independent statutory office holder that regulates and supports Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander corporations under the Corporations (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander) Act 2006 (CATSI Act). The Registrar is supported to do this work by the Office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations (ORIC).

As at 30 June 2022, the Registrar’s functions were delivered by 34.5 full-time equivalent staff. Of those, 54.3 per cent identify as Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander Australians.

Performance
At 30 June 2022, there were 3,521 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander corporations registered under the CATSI Act, including 243 registered native title bodies corporate.

During the year, ORIC registered 189 new corporations, including 3 transfers of incorporation from other legislation. ORIC finalised 26 deregistrations.

ORIC finalised processing of 6,455 lodgements from corporations — information, forms and reports — that need to be added to or amended information on the public Register of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Corporations.

These lodgements included but were not limited to: 264 changes to corporation contact details; 1,088 changes to directors, contact persons and secretaries; 926 updated member lists; and 257 changes to rule books.

There were 139,745 website sessions in which individuals made searches of the public register for information about individual corporations.

ORIC received 692 requests for exemption from corporations. Requests included 446 extensions of time for holding an annual general meeting and 185 exemptions in relation to record keeping and reporting requirements. ORIC granted 571 requests and rejected 121.

ORIC hosted 41 corporate governance training activities involving 773 participants from more than 136 corporations. There were 16 in-person workshops, 11 online workshops, 10 corporation-specific workshops, a governance day forum, and 3 regional forums.

There were 13,739 calls in total to ORIC’s call centre. There were 5,860 inquiries finalised (4,006 received by phone, 1,838 in writing, 16 in person).

As at 30 June 2022, 62.49 per cent of corporations were compliant with their 2020–21 reporting obligations under the CATSI Act.

During the year, ORIC received 348 new complaints involving corporations and finalised 351, including some from the previous year. ORIC received requests to help resolve 5 disputes and finalised all 5.

In the period there were 2 Registrar-initiated meetings called — a general meeting and a meeting of interested parties.

In 2021–22, ORIC assessed 3 new referrals about potential breaches of the CATSI Act. ORIC has 8 investigations in progress, none of which concluded during the financial year. ORIC finalised one criminal prosecution matter (Registrar v Evans); there are no other criminal prosecutions in progress. There were no civil action matters in court or in progress.

ORIC started the financial year with 10 examinations in progress; another 30 examinations were started during 2021–22. As at 30 June 2022, 19 examinations had been finalised, leaving 21 on hand. Of those finalised:

4 corporations were operating well and issued a management letter

6 were required to improve standards outlined in a compliance notice

9 had serious issues — 5 were asked to show cause why a special administrator should not be appointed and 4 determined other courses of action after discussions with ORIC and/or corporation stakeholders.

Special administration is a unique form of regulatory assistance under the CATSI Act. It aims to support corporations with serious governance or financial problems. Four special administrations were in progress at the outset of the year, and 3 were started during 2021–22. Four were completed, all of which were handed back to members’ control. The average duration of special administrations this year was 9 months.
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Infrastructure and housing: While housing is primarily a state and territory responsibility, the NIAA’s role is to manage targeted Commonwealth co-funding, to support jurisdictions in greatest need of more housing for First Nations peoples

Appendix B - Performance measure additional detail

The following notes apply to performance measure 1.3 of the Annual Performance Statement.

Economic Development

– Indigenous Procurement Policy (IPP): increased demand for Indigenous businesses to meet Commonwealth procurement needs and provision of an Indigenous Business Directory generates Indigenous business growth, contributing to Closing the Gap Outcome 8.

– Indigenous Tourism Fund: Grants provided to Indigenous owned tourism businesses and community organisations to increase the resilience and growth of the sector, along with co-investment with states and territories to promote strategic tourism projects contributes to Closing the Gap Outcomes 8 and 15.

– Business support programs: National and place-based (including remote) business support is provided through: the Business Solutions Program, the Community Economic Development Program, the Micro-enterprise Development program, and Indigenous Business Hubs, which contribute to Closing the Gap Outcomes 8 and 15.

Employment

– Remote employment: During 2021–22 job seekers in remote areas were supported through the Community Development Program (CDP) delivered by NIAA. A new remote employment program is being developed to replace the CDP. It will contribute to Closing the Gap Outcomes 7 and 8.

– Jobs and Skills: IAS investment in Indigenous-specific employment programs makes up a very small proportion of government investment in Indigenous employment services. It is anticipated a new Indigenous Skills and Employment Program (ISEP) will commence implementation in 2022 and provide targeted and complementary support for Indigenous jobseekers nation-wide, contributing to Closing the Gap Outcomes 7 and 8.

Environment

– Environment Programs: Adequate, flexibly designed Ranger and Indigenous Protected Area (IPA) Programs that respond to place-based needs and aspirations, give equal weighting to environmental and cultural aspects of caring for Country. The First Nations-led Land and Sea Management sector are enabled to leverage their rights and interests in the management of their land and sea Country, which contributes to Closing the Gap Priority Reforms 1 and 2, and Outcome 15.

– Environment Policy: Co-design and building partnerships with all relevant First Nations stakeholders to develop the Aboriginal Water Entitlements Program (AWEP); and facilitating the development of institutional arrangements to manage the AWEP program, contributes to Closing the Gap Priority Reform 1 and Outcomes 8 and 15.

Land and Housing

– Native Title/Land Rights: NIAA administers land rights legislation in the Northern and Jervis Bay Territories and aspects of the Native Title Act 1993 (Cth) that facilitates the representation of First Nations claimants and interest holders, including peak bodies. Funding to support First Nations Native Title functions and organisations and operations of the Land Claim Commissioner; and funding to support ancillary operations to achieve increase in the First Nations estate, good governance and wider understanding amongst those who interact with it contributes to Closing the Gap Priority Reforms 2 and 4, and Outcome 15. Aligned to Outcome 15, the NIAA funds the involvement of First Nations people seeking recognition under the Native title Act 1993 (NTA) through funding of Native title Representative Bodies and Service Providers (NTRBs/SPs) and administering specific parts of the NTA that relate to NTRBs/SPs and the Native title (Prescribed Bodies Corporate) Regulations 1999. The NIAA works in partnership with First Nations land/water holding groups to strengthen their role as representative bodies. Whilst the Department of the Attorney-General’s Department (AGD) administers most of the NTA, the NIAA ensures that First Nations perspectives are foregrounded amongst those of the myriad of stakeholders.

– Infrastructure and housing: While housing is primarily a state and territory responsibility, the NIAA’s role is to manage targeted Commonwealth co-funding, to support jurisdictions in greatest need of more housing for First Nations peoples (NT), which contributes to Closing the Gap Target 9A. Likewise, infrastructure is primarily a state and territory responsibility, the NIAA manages and promotes Commonwealth grant programs available to fund a range of discrete infrastructure projects in areas of greatest need in remote communities, which contributes to Closing the Gap Target 9B (specific target yet to be officially determined). The NIAA also oversees implementation of the Indigenous Digital Inclusion Plan (IDIP), which has been informed by extensive consultation with First Nations representatives, which contributes to Closing the Gap Priority Reform 4 and Outcome 17.
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JohnDe said:
At 30 June 2022, the Aboriginals Benefit Account held $1.394 billion in term deposits with Australian banks.



At 30 June 2022, there were 3,521 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander corporations registered under the CATSI Act, including 243 registered native title bodies corporate.



Infrastructure and housing: While housing is primarily a state and territory responsibility, the NIAA’s role is to manage targeted Commonwealth co-funding, to support jurisdictions in greatest need of more housing for First Nations peoples



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$1.4 billion and kids are running around barefoot.

What the hell is going on ?
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'm working here on the premise that support for the Voice appears to be more from the political Left than the political Right. I can't prove that, but it appears to be the case and I'll work on that assumption.

So how would all this argument go if the proposed Voice wasn't about something the Left broadly supports but were instead reversed, a Voice for something the Left broadly oppose or at least have concerns about? Would that change the in-principle support for the idea?
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Higher complexity than that but on the right track unfortunately politics has killed it.

The Voice is a creation under the Coalition. Many conservatives both in the Coalition and outside politics worked to get it up.
That includes the path to treaty but not in this term of government.

Labor changed the wording to allow advice to be given to the executive of government nothing else that I am aware of.

It should have been bipartisan for the sake of progress for Aboriginals.
Dutton attended many meeting and was invited to contribute but recorded as saying nothing.

Note Dutton supports a Voice and recognition... Politics at play when you have weak leadership needing a win.

The Coalition are running a No campaign the falsehoods are truly shocking also repeated here.

You can see divisive the fear campaign working well as shown in this thread.

Throw in racism which resides deeply and widely in Australia, an example is Pauline Hanson thrown out of the Liberal Party for racsis views then elected for the same views and re-elected directing hate at the Asian community.
Hanson is quoted on ASF frequently providing proof the the above point.

So absolutely no focus on the Voice or even an alternative but really appreciate at least some one wanting to actually discuss.

Cheers
 
IFocus said:
Throw in racism which resides deeply and widely in Australia, an example is Pauline Hanson thrown out of the Liberal Party for racsis views then elected for the same views and re-elected directing hate at the Asian community.
Hanson is quoted on ASF frequently providing proof the the above point.
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Hansen got a following because a suburb where she ran a fish and chip shop was overtaken by drug lords in broad daylight and no other MP would do anything. :rolleyes:
 

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