The Voice

[wayneL]

Wanna know the real agenda?

 

[Sean K]

Agree.

Trouble is, and I've said this previously in regard to various issues, the Australian people have substantially lost confidence in government.

Not in Albanese.

Not in Labor or Liberal even.

But in the entire concept of the federal government as such.

That's what it comes down to. The federal government has become rather akin to receiving an unsolicited phone call from someone who says they're from the ATO, a bank, Microsoft or a utility company. Trust nothing, keep your mouth firmly shut, verify everything, and odds are it's a scam and even if it is legit it's still likely to be a bad deal. Your best response is decline everything.

And so it is with reform at the political level. People have lost trust and that being so, their natural reaction is "no to everything".

If Albanese wants to be regarded as a great Prime Minister and leave a lasting legacy then taking on the Voice is putting the cart before the horse. First he needs to restore public trust in government itself and that itself is a major task from this point. If he did that, that would be his lasting legacy and a major one and the prerequisite to anything else.

If I were him, I'd be focusing on (in no particular order after the first one):

Trust in government first and foremost above all else.

Cost of living.

Housing both physical availability and price.

Governing for the majority. Not harming or neglecting minorities, but not letting them dictate the terms on matters not unique to them.

Very firm and visible rejection of far-Left or far-Right policies.

Integrity and political neutrality of institutions.

Emergency preparedness and national response.

Being seen to uphold the principles of justice regardless of political convenience.

Closing the gap across all of society and preferably not by means of taxation and welfare. We need more opportunities to lift the bottom up - proper jobs not low wage services.

Make it abundantly clear that the Australian Government puts Australia and Australians first and can be trusted to consistently do so. Noting this does not preclude legitimate humanitarian actions assisting others etc.

Etc.

Only with government itself on a sound footing with the public is it likely to be able to effectively sell something like the Voice.

For those who think all that's off topic, in my view you're misunderstanding why the Voice is failing.

Not sure how energy security didn't make your top priorities smurf. Maybe that's in the etc part.

 

[wayneL]

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/attachments/foi-2223-016-pdf.160490/?hash=2655d11c17a533fa601cd3ae574c2462

 

[wayneL]

Here is the recent "settlement" in the Soviet State of Victoria mentioned further up in this thread

 

[IFocus]

You are a worry

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The Voice

It's spelled out in the proposed Constitutional amendment. Legislation would outline how the Voice operates on a day to day basis. There you go, the crux of the matter, if the proposed legislation outlining how the Voice would operate on a day to day basis, was presented at the same time as...

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I acknowledged the mistake, so other than trolling what's your point reinforcing the negative aspects of the no vote?.

 

[Sean K]

Here is the recent "settlement" in the Soviet State of Victoria mentioned further up in this thread

Why are the funding amounts redacted? Hmmm

 

[wayneL]

From St Pauline:

After claims made by Prime Minister Albanese to @PatsKarvelas and @BenFordhamLive, downplaying Labor's support for a race-based federal treaty, I thought I would share the following footage of Mr Albanese in the House of Representative saying:

"The voice must be followed by truth-telling, because, until we acknowledge the reality of our history, we are shackled to its demons. And truth must be followed by a makarrata commission. Makarrata is about conflict resolution, justice and, crucially, self-determination. It's a path to a NATIONAL TREATY that acknowledges the pre-existing rights of people in a land where sovereignty was never ceded and acknowledges that we are on what is Aboriginal land—always was, always will be."

And in addition here are more quotes about Albanese’s Voice and “Federal Treaty Making.” They all come directly from Albanese, Burney and Dreyfus’ press releases, links included.

Albanese press release ?

“An Albanese Labor Government will establish a Makarrata Commission as a priority.”

“It will work with a Voice to Parliament when it is established.”

“The Makarrata Commission’s treaty responsibilities will initially include: Recommending a framework for federal treaty-making”

Source: anthonyalbanese.com.au/media-centre/m…

Burney press release ?

“An Albanese Labor government...will also make makarrata—treaty and truth telling—a priority”

“It will work with the voice to parliament when it is established.”

“With respect to treaty, it would recommend a framework for federal treaty making"

Source: lindaburney.com.au/speeches/2021/…

Dreyfus press release ?

“Labor has committed to honouring that request by establishing in government as a matter of priority a Makarrata commission.”

“the commission's oversight of treaty would include developing a framework for federal treaty-making"

Source: markdreyfus.com/media/speeches…

 

[TimeISmoney]

 

[Sean K]

From St Pauline:

After claims made by Prime Minister Albanese to @PatsKarvelas and @BenFordhamLive, downplaying Labor's support for a race-based federal treaty, I thought I would share the following footage of Mr Albanese in the House of Representative saying:

"The voice must be followed by truth-telling, because, until we acknowledge the reality of our history, we are shackled to its demons. And truth must be followed by a makarrata commission. Makarrata is about conflict resolution, justice and, crucially, self-determination. It's a path to a NATIONAL TREATY that acknowledges the pre-existing rights of people in a land where sovereignty was never ceded and acknowledges that we are on what is Aboriginal land—always was, always will be."

And in addition here are more quotes about Albanese’s Voice and “Federal Treaty Making.” They all come directly from Albanese, Burney and Dreyfus’ press releases, links included.

Albanese press release ?

“An Albanese Labor Government will establish a Makarrata Commission as a priority.”

“It will work with a Voice to Parliament when it is established.”

“The Makarrata Commission’s treaty responsibilities will initially include: Recommending a framework for federal treaty-making”

Source: anthonyalbanese.com.au/media-centre/m…

Burney press release ?

“An Albanese Labor government...will also make makarrata—treaty and truth telling—a priority”

“It will work with the voice to parliament when it is established.”

“With respect to treaty, it would recommend a framework for federal treaty making"

Source: lindaburney.com.au/speeches/2021/…

Dreyfus press release ?

“Labor has committed to honouring that request by establishing in government as a matter of priority a Makarrata commission.”

“the commission's oversight of treaty would include developing a framework for federal treaty-making"

Source: markdreyfus.com/media/speeches…

Dutton was correct in calling out Albo as 'doing a Rudd' in QT this afternoon. He's saying one thing to one group and then something totally different to another. It brought down Rudd to some extent. Do these politians not realise we have a thing called the internet that records your statements? As smurf has pointed out, hanging your hat on this particular topic, which is obviously so divisive, instead of the easy winners of higher significance to the general pop, is a really poor strategic political move. Could we have a one term government because of The Voice? I don't think so because the LNP are too weak, but geesh. Maybe that's why Labor are doing it. They realise this is the only point in time they might be able to do this.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe that's why Labor are doing it. They realise this is the only point in time they might be able to do this.

I'd say so. If it goes down as is likely they should put the whole matter behind them, and realise who their base electorates are and concentrate on them. Hint: they work and pay taxes or have done so all their lives.

 

[JohnDe]

I acknowledged the mistake, so other than trolling what's your point reinforcing the negative aspects of the no vote?.

You keep bring up the man or something that links him, your latest -

IFocus said: "Its...well maybe they should have BS'ed more you like pedophile rings operating in communities etc (later requires found this claim total BS)."​

 

[sptrawler]

Could we have a one term government because of The Voice? I don't think so because the LNP are too weak, but geesh. Maybe that's why Labor are doing it. They realise this is the only point in time they might be able to do this.

Interesting times ahead IMO.

Teal MP Monique Ryan’s seat polled on Josh Frydenberg’s return

Voters in the federal seat of Kooyong, represented by Teal MP Monique Ryan, are being polled on the return of ex-treasurer Josh Frydenberg, two years before the federal election.

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Voters in the federal seat of Kooyong, represented by Teal MP Monique Ryan, are being polled on the return of former treasurer Josh Frydenberg at the next federal election, due by May 2025.

Mr Frydenberg remains actively involved in his local community and Liberal Party politics, on top of his investment banking job at Goldman Sachs, despite not putting his hand up to contest the Aston byelection in April, which the Labor’s Mary Doyle won from the Liberals’ Roshena Campbell.

 

[JohnDe]

Maybe they should have got rid of her long ago, instead of having another political seat warmer that's on a govt subsidised payroll that does very little, and that way they wouldn't need to dream up of things like 'the voice'. This garbage is starting to become tiring and it's costing the govt millions, and little to show for the amount that's being spent. Like honestly, how is wasting money changing names of suburbs and what not going to close the gap in any way? This is the same jibberish crap that I've seen all my life living in heavily populated ATIS areas, when you ask where the money is gone nobody knows and they call you a racist for asking, instead of providing facts so that things can be improved or you can find out where the shortfall is.

They get someone decent like Price in there that wants to seriously make a difference for them and they all try to shut her down.

I think that they have traveled too far, possibly too late to turn around.

Albanese is now so invested in the referendum that in the face of growing community doubt, the prime minister has no other choice than to push harder in demonstrating his commitment to it.​

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Apart from the belief that it is a worthy thing for Labor to be supporting, it becomes a question of Albanese’s convictions.​

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Any change of emphasis or direction would dangerously weaken his authority.​

Anthony Albanese prides himself on his tactical prowess with Labor having become hubristically accustomed to dominating the politics in parliament.

But the prime minister is rapidly turning one of Labor’s strengths into an unexpected and unfamiliar point of vulnerability, undermined by repeating tactical failures over the voice.

Political advantage for the government normally offered by question time is being eroded by an accumulation of confused and tortured explanations.

It is no longer just about the lack of detail on how the voice would operate. A new element has been injected into the debate which is potentially more damaging.

Labor has a well-publicised commitment to delivering the Uluru statement in full. This involves treaty and truth telling, with the voice being the first priority.

There is nothing new in this.

But the government’s apparent lack of a strategy to deal with inevitable attempts to link the voice to treaty is bewildering.

Albanese’s response to questions on this have been punctuated by contradiction and imprecision. The Coalition accuses the prime minister of deception.

Suddenly the political battle has been widened.

When Albanese accepted Peter Dutton‘s challenge to debate the issue in a suspension of standing orders, the Liberal leader asked pointed questions, to which no answers were provided. He accused Albanese of “wilfully” withholding detail.

Albanese responded accusing Dutton of fueling division for political advantage, goading him for his refusal to attend the Garma festival this weekend.

As one senior Labor source said Thursday, as the Coalition continued to entrap the government into talking about the voice: “If the voice isn’t close to dead after this week, it’s got to be on life support.”

It can still be revived. But the task has just become harder.

Dutton believes he has little to lose in doubling down in his attacks. Few people take any notice of what an Opposition says or does in Canberra. They are far more likely to pay attention to what the government is doing.

And the Coalition is succeeding in making it appear that Labor is consumed by the voice, with little attention being paid to the primary concern for most - cost of living.

The focus of the Opposition’s attack this week was once again, unsurprisingly, the minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney.

Dutton’s goal is to exploit a conclusion that the voice will be a path to treaty, adding yet another layer of confusion to the referendum question.

The ultimate aim is to render the debate so excessively complicated that even in the minds of people who may otherwise be inclined to vote yes, seeds of doubt are planted.

You don’t need to raise too many concerns in people’s minds for them to say no.

Burney has not helped the cause with her repeated refusals to directly answer questions, often adding new levels of puzzlement when she does.

Albanese, who holds commendable protective instincts when it comes to Burney, has been forced into obfuscation about the government’s post voice agenda.

He has no other choice. The Labor leader cannot allow the referendum to be polluted by other issues. This would almost ensure its failure.

As a consequence, there are now two issues the government is being forced to defend.

It must unravel attempts by the Coalition to inject treaty into the voice as a logical conclusion.

It must also resolve the underlying problem, which is confusion over the function of the voice itself.

Albanese is now so invested in the referendum that in the face of growing community doubt, the prime minister has no other choice than to push harder in demonstrating his commitment to it.

Apart from the belief that it is a worthy thing for Labor to be supporting, it becomes a question of Albanese’s convictions.

Any change of emphasis or direction would dangerously weaken his authority.

SIMON BENSON

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/albanese-is-now-presiding-over-repeated-tactical-failures-on-the-voice/news-story/288dec94903d7c59c8872431c167da7c

 

[SirRumpole]

I think that they have traveled too far, possibly too late to turn around.

Albanese is now so invested in the referendum that in the face of growing community doubt, the prime minister has no other choice than to push harder in demonstrating his commitment to it.​

​

Apart from the belief that it is a worthy thing for Labor to be supporting, it becomes a question of Albanese’s convictions.​

​

Any change of emphasis or direction would dangerously weaken his authority.​

In my view, Albos best policy is to stop campaigning and just say "its up to the people ", that let's him off the hook if its knocked back. Continual campaigning will just continue the division.

 

[IFocus]

You keep bring up the man or something that links him, your latest -

IFocus said: "Its...well maybe they should have BS'ed more you like pedophile rings operating in communities etc (later requires found this claim total BS)."​

Sigh... Howard ran the intervention based on pedophile rings later enquiries found that to be total BS.

Howard got away with the policy on a falsehood later found to be rubbish.

Nothing nada zero to do with Mundine

Again what's your point if not trolling?

 

[IFocus]

In my view, Albos best policy is to stop campaigning and just say "its up to the people ", that let's him off the hook if its knocked back. Continual campaigning will just continue the division.

It was an election promise Albo made (without pamphlets )

The division is coming from the no vote with the insistence it will divide Australia but nothing to offer what the alternative should be ...politics pretty ugly game.

 

[IFocus]

You sound to me like someone who has negotiated a lot, so you should know, the next move shows whether it was a brain fart, or well intentioned.
The fact McGowan walked, when on top of the game (80% vote)

Yes negotiated in the union movement and as a long term supervisor, TBH I wasn't very good way to direct in fact I recon I sucked in life I was rescued by my wife who is very very good runs rings around the Balinese ?

 

[StockyGuy]

...politics pretty ugly game.

Cripes, you're doing that weird "poor fella my country" thing again It is sorta catchy, I admit.

 

[TimeISmoney]

Sigh... Howard ran the intervention based on pedophile rings later enquiries found that to be total BS.

Howard got away with the policy on a falsehood later found to be rubbish.

Nothing nada zero to do with Mundine

Again what's your point if not trolling?

Where did the allegation originally come from, when someone makes allegations like this Govts have to act. You can't deny the high rate of sexual assaults in the area isn't a problem.

 

[SirRumpole]

It was an election promise Albo made (without pamphlets )

The division is coming from the no vote with the insistence it will divide Australia but nothing to offer what the alternative should be ...politics pretty ugly game.

Well, all I can say is that Labor has not learned from the Republuc referendum, people won't vote for an unknown quantity when it comes to permanent enshrinement in the Constitution.

We have become cynical enough not to take anything for granted, and I think that's a good thing.