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sptrawler said:
One question that was posed to me today was, why do the aboriginals ask for compensation for crimes carried out against them, when they disproprtionately carry out crimes against everyone today.
@IFocus maybe you could comment.
These are the questions people are asking.
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It would be fair to say they don't know their own history.

Most crime committed by ASTI people is generally against each other much due to disfunction in families and communities.

We know after the No-alition let the alcohol restrictions run out things got well out of control throughout the NW and NT, still things weren't great before hand.

So the crimes generally are car stealing and break and enter against residents other than ATSI people. These cases are put before and dealt by the courts whether people agree with the outcomes is another issue.

Compare that to forcible removal of entire communities from land they had occupied continually for in the Kimberly's case 4,000 years (rock painting date back to 40,000 years plus) and when I say force that's where men were placed in neck and leg chains sent to Rottnest island or force labor gangs the Wyndham museum gives a graphic run down on it.

Compare that to where entire communities were massacred including women and children or when Aboriginal women were abducted raped often a catalyst for follow up massacre's.

Of course there were many more injustices committed against ATSI people across Australia mostly covered up or hidden certainly not taught in schools are far as I know.

The question is given Aboriginals could not get redress through the courts for the above at the time should they now, if not then what?
 
IFocus said:
a leading expert commented its estimated in the Australian community at large 1 in 3 children will experience sexual abuse by 18 years of age.
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Is that so? Where did your research statistics come from?
 
IFocus said:
You have a knack for google use it endless references around that number.
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From the ABS.

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  • 11% of women (1 million) and 4.6% of men (412,000) experienced childhood sexual abuse, most commonly by a known person who was not a family member.
www.abs.gov.au

Sexual Violence - Victimisation

Statistics about sexual assault and childhood sexual abuse, including characteristics of victim-survivors, victimisation rates, and police reporting.
www.abs.gov.au www.abs.gov.au

That's a lot less than one in 3, but the unreported cases may be a lot higher.
 
SirRumpole said:
From the ABS.

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  • 11% of women (1 million) and 4.6% of men (412,000) experienced childhood sexual abuse, most commonly by a known person who was not a family member.
www.abs.gov.au

Sexual Violence - Victimisation

Statistics about sexual assault and childhood sexual abuse, including characteristics of victim-survivors, victimisation rates, and police reporting.
www.abs.gov.au www.abs.gov.au

That's a lot less than one in 3, but the unreported cases may be a lot higher.
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Pretty much what I found.

Thought iFocus must have some new unpublished information, but no, just more of their BS to try and substantiate the ridiculous referendum they have com up with.
 
JohnDe said:
Pretty much what I found.

Thought iFocus must have some new unpublished information, but no, just more of their BS to try and substantiate the ridiculous referendum they have com up with.
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Nothing to do with the Voice the only BS is coming from the No vote as you and others fail to put a argument that’s actually about the Voice or non fear mongering not to mention a lack of a alternative.

Clearly you cannot google
 
IFocus said:
Nothing to do with the Voice the only BS is coming from the No vote as you and others fail to put a argument that’s actually about the Voice or non fear mongering not to mention a lack of a alternative.

Clearly you cannot google
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Have you read all 26 pages of the Uluru Statement on how to Screw Australia Forever?

You are seriously in denial bro.
 
IFocus said:
Nothing to do with the Voice the only BS is coming from the No vote as you and others fail to put a argument that’s actually about the Voice or non fear mongering not to mention a lack of a alternative.

Clearly you cannot google
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The BS is coming from you, name all these people that were shackled and made as slaves, is there documentation to prove it or just more voodoo word of mouth Chinese whispers? How can anyone justify compensation for things that happened over 200 years ago, you have a statute of limitations on work claims and that's from people that have worked their arses off and deserve something. You're not truth-telling, why did most indigenous switch over to Christianity if dream time was a better way of life? Half of these people would have lived a short life, eaten by crocs or passed on from inbred diseases if it wasn't for Western world intervention. They were so backward as a culture that they hadn't even invented a wheel.
 
TimeISmoney said:
The BS is coming from you, name all these people that were shackled and made as slaves, is there documentation to prove it or just more voodoo word of mouth Chinese whispers? How can anyone justify compensation for things that happened over 200 years ago, you have a statute of limitations on work claims and that's from people that have worked their arses off and deserve something. You're not truth-telling, why did most indigenous switch over to Christianity if dream time was a better way of life? Half of these people would have lived a short life, eaten by crocs or passed on from inbred diseases if it wasn't for Western world intervention. They were so backward as a culture that they hadn't even invented a wheel.
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Its was actually even worse:

The Mistreatment of Women in Aboriginal Society - Quadrant Online

Violence against women was endemic in Aboriginal society, reported on, often in graphic detail, by dozens of early white observers. Nearly all of them, it must be noted, were highly sympathetic to the Aborigines. To understand why violent abuse is today so common, look to a heritage of...
quadrant.org.au quadrant.org.au
 
wayneL said:
Its was actually even worse:

The Mistreatment of Women in Aboriginal Society - Quadrant Online

Violence against women was endemic in Aboriginal society, reported on, often in graphic detail, by dozens of early white observers. Nearly all of them, it must be noted, were highly sympathetic to the Aborigines. To understand why violent abuse is today so common, look to a heritage of...
quadrant.org.au quadrant.org.au
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My high school in the early to mid 1980’s gave extensive Australian history classes, including Aboriginal history which included the poor treatment of women. Why has that part of history disappeared?
 
Oh dear. There seems to be some truth telling going on here. Or, at least some check the facts.
 
IFocus said:
Compare that to forcible removal of entire communities from land they had occupied continually for in the Kimberly's case 4,000 years (rock painting date back to 40,000 years plus) and when I say force that's where men were placed in neck and leg chains sent to Rottnest island or force labor gangs the Wyndham museum gives a graphic run down on it.
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Without in any way denying or disputing that was a wrongdoing, I do question how it's an ongoing problem today?

There'd be a huge portion of society for whom their ancestors suffered some major wrongdoing against them that affected, killed even, the direct victims but it's not causing some ongoing problem today.

Indeed there's more than a few who've had some non-fatal wrongdoing against them directly during their own lifetime. Victims of major crime for example. Even the majority of them get on with a pretty normal life unless they're physically seriously injured to the point they can't.

For an Aboriginal person born in, say, the year 2000 how does this past, which occurred before they were born, affect them in their life? How does this differ from someone else who also has some major wrongdoing in their family background but not against them personally?

In Western culture at least, there are extremely few for whom anything that happened to their ancestors even 100 years prior to their birth has any relevance to their life. Even if there's serious fame and/or fortune, in all but a very few cases it's forgotten or lost in that time anyway.

That's the bit I'm struggling to get my mind around and I mean that genuinely. How does something that happened generations prior to someone being born affect their own life to such a great extent?
 
Smurf1976 said:
That's the bit I'm struggling to get my mind around and I mean that genuinely. How does something that happened generations prior to someone being born affect their own life to such a great extent?
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I agree @Smurf1976.

If we all dug into our family trees a lot of us would find a tragedy of some sort in our past, and yet here we are in today's world with the opportunities we have. Our past is distant and there is nothing we can do about it.

Maybe one of our ancestors was dispossesed of the country of their birth and transported to a far off land for stealing a loaf of bread or other minor crime and yet they survived and created our family and ran successful businesses or just worked and created a better life in other ways.

Should we be suing the British government for sending our ancestors here ?

Ancient history is a crutch some people want to lean on as an excuse for not making an effort. Time for those people to realise that they are not the only ones whose ancestors may have gone through bad times, but they have the chance to make the most of new opportunities.
 
SirRumpole said:
I agree @Smurf1976.

If we all dug into our family trees a lot of us would find a tragedy of some sort in our past, and yet here we are in today's world with the opportunities we have. Our past is distant and there is nothing we can do about it.

Maybe one of our ancestors was dispossesed of the country of their birth and transported to a far off land for stealing a loaf of bread or other minor crime and yet they survived and created our family and ran successful businesses or just worked and created a better life in other ways.

Should we be suing the British government for sending our ancestors here ?

Ancient history is a crutch some people want to lean on as an excuse for not making an effort. Time for those people to realise that they are not the only ones whose ancestors may have gone through bad times, but they have the chance to make the most of new opportunities.
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Try having a DNA with 6 different heritages from centuries of invasions and colonisation of a European Island.
 
wayneL said:
Its was actually even worse:

The Mistreatment of Women in Aboriginal Society - Quadrant Online

Violence against women was endemic in Aboriginal society, reported on, often in graphic detail, by dozens of early white observers. Nearly all of them, it must be noted, were highly sympathetic to the Aborigines. To understand why violent abuse is today so common, look to a heritage of...
quadrant.org.au quadrant.org.au
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:oops: I didn't realise it was that bad. I thought women were somewhat respected. This is pretty evil stuff that most wouldn't realise. This is pre-alcohol too. I must do some more of my own research to get the full picture. Maybe 'truth telling' as part of Uluru will spell this out. Hmm, maybe not...
 
Sean K said:
:oops: I didn't realise it was that bad. I thought women were somewhat respected. This is pretty evil stuff that most wouldn't realise. This is pre-alcohol too. I must do some more of my own research to get the full picture. Maybe 'truth telling' as part of Uluru will spell this out. Hmm, maybe not...
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Police intrusion on Warlpiri ceremony ground​

When two police cars carrying five non-Indigenous officers, including one female officer,[4] drove onto a restricted ceremony ground in January 2008, the Lajamanu community became highly distressed. This was particularly due to the presence of a female police officer, which was a clear breach of Warlpiri law.[5] The Katherine-based police were attached to the traffic patrol and undertaking routine duties. There was no emergency that warranted the officers’ intrusion.



The community has felt great anger, hurt and humiliation. Martin Japanangka from Lajamanu said, ‘[t]he whole community was very upset because the police just went ahead and did what they liked’.[6] Under Warlpiri law the presence of a woman in such circumstances requires immediate sanction; it is an unthinkable act for a Warlpiri person and is recognised as illegal under Warlpiri law. However, the Lajamanu people felt powerless to halt the police officers. Being police officers, and non-Indigenous, the officers represented a system of imposed foreign authority and law that could have ruthless and unpredictable consequences for the Warlpiri community.

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/IndigLawB/2008/21.html
 

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