"Shape of things before my eyes
Just teach me to despise
Will time make men more wise?
Here within my lonely frame
My eyes just heard my brain
But will it seem the same?"
Let's just get the vote over with.Well I did say the "voice' was a brain fart, people can see when they are bull$hitted to, the Government would have been far better being up front and addressing the underlying issues of the aboriginals feeling dispossessed.
Which is what I said at the beginning of this thread, now Albo has blown his feet off, by intimating there was a hidden agenda and the brain fart explodes.
To use one of @rederob quotes, he put the "fart before the horse" and it's starting to look like the horse has caught up. ?
They seem to integrate themselves quite well with the money part of the Westminister system.Well I did say the "voice' was a brain fart, people can see when they are bull$hitted to, the Government would have been far better being up front and addressing the underlying issues of the aboriginals feeling dispossessed.
Inflexible Linda Burney doing more harm than good to Indigenous voice to parliament
Anthony Albanese and the Labor government are trying desperately to separate the troubled proposal for an Indigenous voice to parliament from the even more controversial and politically damaging ideas of a treaty and truth-telling to rescue the referendum.
It is a dismal failure because, as Indigenous Australians Minister and the government face of the campaign, Linda Burney is incapable of the task.
The Prime Minister happily ridicules claims the voice referendum is ultimately about a treaty with Indigenous Australians and truth-telling, declaring that his wearing a “Voice, Treaty, Truth” T-shirt last year was just a tribute to Midnight Oil at a concert.
Albanese, despite previous statements and the text of the Uluru Statement, has denied the voice had anything to do with treaty because he could see the damage being done to his referendum campaign and the need to separate the two ideas.
Tanya Plibersek professionally parries Coalition questions about any possibility of a controversial WA-style cultural heritage regime and Jim Chalmers says a voice to parliament is “good economic policy”.
But Burney is struck dumb, incapable of shifting focus or moving off an outdated and backward-looking script unsuited for dynamic debate, although circumstances, expectations, claims and facts have all changed.
Her parliamentary responses to perfectly reasonable requests for information about either the voice or, more recently, Labor’s own $5.8m Makarrata commission – which she announced – to oversee treaty and truth-telling, is embarrassing.
Anthony Albanese speaks at a voice to parliament rally in Sydney. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Jeremy Piper
Even parliamentary Speaker Milton Dick, who has been good as a parliamentary umpire and has shown great patience and sympathy for Burney when she is under pressure, had no choice but to call on her twice to be relevant to the question in Tuesday’s question time.
On both occasions Burney ignored the Speaker’s ruling and continued to read from the same page she uses for every answer – with every line inexplicably highlighted in yellow – which sets out the barest of outlines of what the voice will be and does not address the devastating linking of treaty to the voice.
Maybe they should have got rid of her long ago, instead of having another political seat warmer that's on a govt subsidised payroll that does very little, and that way they wouldn't need to dream up of things like 'the voice'. This garbage is starting to become tiring and it's costing the govt millions, and little to show for the amount that's being spent. Like honestly, how is wasting money changing names of suburbs and what not going to close the gap in any way? This is the same jibberish crap that I've seen all my life living in heavily populated ATIS areas, when you ask where the money is gone nobody knows and they call you a racist for asking, instead of providing facts so that things can be improved or you can find out where the shortfall is.It is a dismal failure because, as Indigenous Australians Minister and the government face of the campaign, Linda Burney is incapable of the task.Even parliamentary Speaker Milton Dick, who has been good as a parliamentary umpire and has shown great patience and sympathy for Burney when she is under pressure, had no choice but to call on her twice to be relevant to the question in Tuesday’s question time.When asked if the government still backed the Makarrata commission and what exactly it would do – Labor has already spent $900,000 of the allocated $5.8m on the commission, for which Burney has ministerial responsibility – she read from her unrelated, outdated but highlighted script.
When asked if the government still backed the Makarrata commission and what exactly it would do – Labor has already spent $900,000 of the allocated $5.8m on the commission, for which Burney has ministerial responsibility – she read from her unrelated, outdated but highlighted script.
This is about more than just a minister’s inability to justify the spending of almost a million dollars so far on a commission she announced because it continues the nexus between the voice to parliament, treaty and truth-telling.
Burney’s colleagues do their best to support and protect her where they can but her incapacity to frame a cogent political response is doing her and the cause of the Indigenous voice to parliament serious harm.
…we confidently believe that, by raising the quality of our public debate, the proposed Voice will both enrich our democracy and increase the likelihood of governments making correct decisions about matters that affect Indigenous peoples.
It will also, and very importantly, give Indigenous Australians their due recognition in our Constitution as this nation’s first peoples.
If successful, the referendum on the Voice will not diminish the influence of anyone. But it will help to correct an historic wrong. It will give recognition, and a voice, to those who for thousands of years owned and lived in balance with this land, only to have their rights to it disregarded during the centuries which have followed settlement from other lands.
How is exposing the Labor party's purulent lie, "fear mongering".Fear mongering still?
How about someleanedlearned advice
An eminent group of retired judges have published an open letter to the people of Australia in support of a ‘Yes’ vote in the upcoming referendum on the Voice.
An Invitation That Should be Accepted - Leading Judges Support the Voice in Open Letter
An eminent group of retired judges have published an open letter to the people of Australia in support of a ‘Yes’ vote in the upcoming referendum on the Voice.australiainstitute.org.au
Unfortunately Labor hasnt moved with the times, on one hand they preach inclusiveness and respect, on the other hand they dont extend that option to others.
It isnt going to end well IMO.
They should have adressed the issues, taken everyone on the journey, before telling everyone to vote on the outcome.
Pizz poor planning, pizz poor presentation, ends up with a pizz poor outcome.
Shocking display of leadership, the days of telling people what they should do, is long past.
"I'm in charge, vote yes we will fill in the blanks", well that is so 1980's.
It just doesnt cut it these days.
No, I think it has been played well, if it is pulled, re jigged and re presented.Its...well maybe they should have BS'ed more you like pedophile rings operating in communities etc (later requires found this claim total BS).
Perhaps more phablets were the go?
I do agree selling the Voice has been a shemozzle it definitely needed more BS like the no vote campaign.
Where to now I guess down the plug hole and a win for nothing.
Given this was in the making under the Noalition (don't you just love that term) should have been bipartisan (weak leadership killed that both Dutton and Nats) I don't know what happens next guess its down to the Labor states.
Edit: be nice if there was some intellectual response to the judges position.... unlikely ?
Don't mean you SP
They're the ones to make the most out of this, I did a quick check of one of the judges and he's a director of a legal consulting firm. This is the problem with the elite ending up with all the money, it costs more than what the lands worth by the time they finished native title claims, legal teams, anthropologists and historians all want to get paid for the work they do and it gets paid by govt grants.Edit: be nice if there was some intellectual response to the judges position.... unlikely ?
Its...well maybe they should have BS'ed more you like pedophile rings operating in communities etc (later requires found this claim total BS).
Mr sp I realise that I have have been thinking all along that The Voice was about John Farnham, movie on TV tonightNo, I think it has been played well, if it is pulled, re jigged and re presented.
It has made the issue front and center, it has made people focus on the issue, what isnt to like?
You and Rob are way too caught up in the politics and the semantics, rather than the end game. Lol
Now let's see if it was all a political stunt, or a real effort to sort this problem out.
You sound to me like someone who has negotiated a lot, so you should know, the next move shows whether it was a brain fart, or well intentioned.
The fact McGowan walked, when on top of the game (80% vote) does indicate things aren't good.
It's nice the fans are still loyal, but when the top players are leaving, it does indicate a problem in the management team.
Time will tell.
Agree.If anyone here actually read up what the Voice was not what politicians say but what leaned people say then you would all look… well let’s just say better.
Edit que nasty comments ?
Mr smurf absolutely brilliant, If this was to be put to all ministers and see how the response is. I would hazard a guess silence.Agree.
Trouble is, and I've said this previously in regard to various issues, the Australian people have substantially lost confidence in government.
Not in Albanese.
Not in Labor or Liberal even.
But in the entire concept of the federal government as such.
That's what it comes down to. The federal government has become rather akin to receiving an unsolicited phone call from someone who says they're from the ATO, a bank, Microsoft or a utility company. Trust nothing, keep your mouth firmly shut, verify everything, and odds are it's a scam and even if it is legit it's still likely to be a bad deal. Your best response is decline everything.
And so it is with reform at the political level. People have lost trust and that being so, their natural reaction is "no to everything".
If Albanese wants to be regarded as a great Prime Minister and leave a lasting legacy then taking on the Voice is putting the cart before the horse. First he needs to restore public trust in government itself and that itself is a major task from this point. If he did that, that would be his lasting legacy and a major one and the prerequisite to anything else.
If I were him, I'd be focusing on (in no particular order after the first one):
Trust in government first and foremost above all else.
Cost of living.
Housing both physical availability and price.
Governing for the majority. Not harming or neglecting minorities, but not letting them dictate the terms on matters not unique to them.
Very firm and visible rejection of far-Left or far-Right policies.
Integrity and political neutrality of institutions.
Emergency preparedness and national response.
Being seen to uphold the principles of justice regardless of political convenience.
Closing the gap across all of society and preferably not by means of taxation and welfare. We need more opportunities to lift the bottom up - proper jobs not low wage services.
Make it abundantly clear that the Australian Government puts Australia and Australians first and can be trusted to consistently do so. Noting this does not preclude legitimate humanitarian actions assisting others etc.
Etc.
Only with government itself on a sound footing with the public is it likely to be able to effectively sell something like the Voice.
For those who think all that's off topic, in my view you're misunderstanding why the Voice is failing.
Agree.
Trouble is, and I've said this previously in regard to various issues, the Australian people have substantially lost confidence in government.
Not in Albanese.
Not in Labor or Liberal even.
But in the entire concept of the federal government as such.
That's what it comes down to. The federal government has become rather akin to receiving an unsolicited phone call from someone who says they're from the ATO, a bank, Microsoft or a utility company. Trust nothing, keep your mouth firmly shut, verify everything, and odds are it's a scam and even if it is legit it's still likely to be a bad deal. Your best response is decline everything.
And so it is with reform at the political level. People have lost trust and that being so, their natural reaction is "no to everything".
If Albanese wants to be regarded as a great Prime Minister and leave a lasting legacy then taking on the Voice is putting the cart before the horse. First he needs to restore public trust in government itself and that itself is a major task from this point. If he did that, that would be his lasting legacy and a major one and the prerequisite to anything else.
If I were him, I'd be focusing on (in no particular order after the first one):
Trust in government first and foremost above all else.
Cost of living.
Housing both physical availability and price.
Governing for the majority. Not harming or neglecting minorities, but not letting them dictate the terms on matters not unique to them.
Very firm and visible rejection of far-Left or far-Right policies.
Integrity and political neutrality of institutions.
Emergency preparedness and national response.
Being seen to uphold the principles of justice regardless of political convenience.
Closing the gap across all of society and preferably not by means of taxation and welfare. We need more opportunities to lift the bottom up - proper jobs not low wage services.
Make it abundantly clear that the Australian Government puts Australia and Australians first and can be trusted to consistently do so. Noting this does not preclude legitimate humanitarian actions assisting others etc.
Etc.
Only with government itself on a sound footing with the public is it likely to be able to effectively sell something like the Voice.
For those who think all that's off topic, in my view you're misunderstanding why the Voice is failing.
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