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SirRumpole said:
What do the indigenous want to do ?
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From my observation do very little, moan and groan about how shafted they are. Throwing millions of dollars at this generally lazy crowd will not solve anything.
Go into any shopping centre weekdays and just count how many children are wandering around when they should be at school, learning something that might be to their betterment.
 
The truth telling needs to be told about both sides, they can't just take the parts of their culture that suits their agenda. Christian missionaries took on many of their kids for different reasons, eg. if the indigenous thought a baby was too weak to survive they would just leave them behind, and some tribal chiefs wouldn't accept a half cast child, they would either remove the mother and child from the tribe or force the mother to abandon it. Many indigenous converted to Christianity for a better way of life, it gave women more rights, it also gave them access to modern medicine that would have saved many lives rather than a mumbo jumbo cultural religion. All of this and not to mention what could have become of them during the world wars.
 
farmerge said:
And perhaps become a bottonless money pit.
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It's already at that point, I think they want to try and overpower governance. It's like giving someone a 1m of rope and they'll take 12m.



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SirRumpole said:
Yes, the Voice i s a Trojan Horse.
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I would have been much more inclined to consider this if they had have told us what was actually in the horse. Even if makarrata and 'agreement-making' meant some type of reparations and they spelled it out, I'd have a think about it. But even the parliamentary enquiry into constitutional recognition couldn't make heads or tails out of it.

The closest thing they really found in their analysis of what agreement making might be is this:

South West Native Title Settlement​

5.32 The South West Native Title Settlement (also known as the Noongar Settlement or the Noongar Native Title Settlement) was often raised by stakeholders as an example of agreement making in Australia.

5.33 The settlement is the most comprehensive native title agreement reached in Australia to date. It covers approximately 200,000 square meters of Western Australia, involves around 30,000 Noongar people and is valued at approximately $1.3 billion.

5.34 The settlement was negotiated between the Government of Western Australia and the South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council (SWALSC), which was acting on behalf of six groups of Noongar native title claimants.

5.35 Ms Beck, Regional Development Manager of SWALSC suggested that the Noongar people decided to work together to negotiate the settlement to ensure it delivered meaningful outcomes:

The south-west settlement came about because if you look at the Noongar people’s country, we have a few pinpricks for native title. We have massive amounts of farms, we have towns, we have state forests, national forests and tiny little tenements. For us to win native title on these tiny little tenements would really only give us something close to nothing.

5.36 Ms Beck said that in the lead up to negotiations with the Western Australian Government, the SWALSC consulted the Noongar communities to identify their priorities for a settlement agreement:

…there were hundreds and hundreds of meetings with our mob, saying ‘Do you want to negotiate?’ The amazing thing was that no-one ever talked about money. Everyone talked about a house, saying ‘Give us a home.’ Everyone talked about jobs for their kids, getting the kids out of the toxic city and taking them back home. They talked about getting us back our country, because our mob feel we’re not free to walk on our country. There’s a lot of fear there about getting fined, which has happened, and then if the fine is not paid you’re put in prison when you go on country. That went on for two years…

5.37 Following consultation with Noongar communities, the SWALSC undertook negotiations with the Government of Western Australia, which lasted approximately five years. An agreement was eventually struck encompassing rights, obligations and opportunities relating to resources, land, governance, finance, and cultural heritage, including:

recognition by the Western Australian Parliament that the Noongar people are the owners and occupiers of South West Western Australia;

the establishment of the Noongar Boodja Trust which will receive $50 million annually for 12 years from the Government of Western Australia;

the creation and funding of six Noongar Regional Corporations to represent the rights and interests of the six Noongar native title groups involved in the settlement;

land access licences enabling lawful access to unallocated Crown land and unmanaged reserve land for customary activities;

a framework for the Department of Planning, Lands and Heritage and the Noongar Regional Corporations to work in partnership to improve the recording, protection and preservation of Aboriginal sites within the settlement area;

economic and community development frameworks to improve Noongar community outcomes;

funding for the establishment of a Noongar Cultural Centre; and

approximately $47 million in funding over 10 years to the Noongar Land Fund.
 
Just when you think there isn't another notch up in fear mongering and falsehoods along it comes, beware the sky is falling.
 
Sean K said:
I would have been much more inclined to consider this if they had have told us what was actually in the horse. Even if makarrata and 'agreement-making' meant some type of reparations and they spelled it out, I'd have a think about it. But even the parliamentary enquiry into constitutional recognition couldn't make heads or tails out of it.

The closest thing they really found in their analysis of what agreement making might be is this:

South West Native Title Settlement​

5.32 The South West Native Title Settlement (also known as the Noongar Settlement or the Noongar Native Title Settlement) was often raised by stakeholders as an example of agreement making in Australia.

5.33 The settlement is the most comprehensive native title agreement reached in Australia to date. It covers approximately 200,000 square meters of Western Australia, involves around 30,000 Noongar people and is valued at approximately $1.3 billion.

5.34 The settlement was negotiated between the Government of Western Australia and the South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council (SWALSC), which was acting on behalf of six groups of Noongar native title claimants.

5.35 Ms Beck, Regional Development Manager of SWALSC suggested that the Noongar people decided to work together to negotiate the settlement to ensure it delivered meaningful outcomes:

The south-west settlement came about because if you look at the Noongar people’s country, we have a few pinpricks for native title. We have massive amounts of farms, we have towns, we have state forests, national forests and tiny little tenements. For us to win native title on these tiny little tenements would really only give us something close to nothing.

5.36 Ms Beck said that in the lead up to negotiations with the Western Australian Government, the SWALSC consulted the Noongar communities to identify their priorities for a settlement agreement:

…there were hundreds and hundreds of meetings with our mob, saying ‘Do you want to negotiate?’ The amazing thing was that no-one ever talked about money. Everyone talked about a house, saying ‘Give us a home.’ Everyone talked about jobs for their kids, getting the kids out of the toxic city and taking them back home. They talked about getting us back our country, because our mob feel we’re not free to walk on our country. There’s a lot of fear there about getting fined, which has happened, and then if the fine is not paid you’re put in prison when you go on country. That went on for two years…

5.37 Following consultation with Noongar communities, the SWALSC undertook negotiations with the Government of Western Australia, which lasted approximately five years. An agreement was eventually struck encompassing rights, obligations and opportunities relating to resources, land, governance, finance, and cultural heritage, including:

recognition by the Western Australian Parliament that the Noongar people are the owners and occupiers of South West Western Australia;

the establishment of the Noongar Boodja Trust which will receive $50 million annually for 12 years from the Government of Western Australia;

the creation and funding of six Noongar Regional Corporations to represent the rights and interests of the six Noongar native title groups involved in the settlement;

land access licences enabling lawful access to unallocated Crown land and unmanaged reserve land for customary activities;

a framework for the Department of Planning, Lands and Heritage and the Noongar Regional Corporations to work in partnership to improve the recording, protection and preservation of Aboriginal sites within the settlement area;

economic and community development frameworks to improve Noongar community outcomes;

funding for the establishment of a Noongar Cultural Centre; and

approximately $47 million in funding over 10 years to the Noongar Land Fund.
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I think I will transform myself from an white Anglo to an indidgenous Noongar. Nobody would notice that I'm not as black as the ace of spades. Surely a decent tan or a brush up with coloured vegetable water will do the trick
 
IFocus said:
Just when you think there isn't another notch up in fear mongering and falsehoods along it comes, beware the sky is falling.
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I think you are referring to a statement from a parliamentary enquiry...
 
IFocus said:
Just when you think there isn't another notch up in fear mongering and falsehoods along it comes, beware the sky is falling.
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Yes, their overt racism and scaremongering is so funny to see here.
They cannot defend the "no" vote on the basis of the referendum question, so run around like headless chooks with lies, distractions and misinformation. And that's just when it's not another conspiracy theory to spread wide and far.

Reading clangers like this on a regular basis "...of that 83% many know how to take advantage and milk the system" would make you think our indigenous peoples were doing pretty well, when they are instead the most disadvantaged inhabitants of any colonised lands. There are the exceptions, you know, like Warren Mundine who has not yet worked out that he never yet had a credible point against a "yes" vote.
 
So to get back to The Voice Referendum.

Could those with strong views on both sides agree not to ...

Nah, it won't work.

On the other hand you'se could always ...

Get in to each other until you are "red in tooth and claw" while I get the popcorn out.

gg
 
rederob said:
Yes, their overt racism and scaremongering is so funny to see here.
They cannot defend the "no" vote on the basis of the referendum question, so run around like headless chooks with lies, distractions and misinformation. And that's just when it's not another conspiracy theory to spread wide and far.

Reading clangers like this on a regular basis "...of that 83% many know how to take advantage and milk the system" would make you think our indigenous peoples were doing pretty well, when they are instead the most disadvantaged inhabitants of any colonised lands. There are the exceptions, you know, like Warren Mundine who has not yet worked out that he never yet had a credible point against a "yes" vote.
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A video that's released by an ATSI land council calling Caucasians 'whiteys', now tell me that's not racist without being racist:D.

Even one of the main ATSI land councils in NSW said that many signed up for the land council meetings only to access the benefits and they were never seen again to give any support to the group. Most of them live a Western world life with no cultural connection to the land.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
So to get back to The Voice Referendum.

Could those with strong views on both sides agree not to ...

Nah, it won't work.

On the other hand you'se could always ...

Get in to each other until you are "red in tooth and claw" while I get the popcorn out.

gg
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Mr GG or should I say Sir GG well put.
What happened to the potato chips??
 

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