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It would be a higher level of confidence than a company that just self certifies, would you not agree to that?
Sigh. Here we go again...
It's up to the certifying agency to do the checking, but if they find non compliance, they remove the certification and they don't get their money any more.
Money changing hands means corruption
. Leave it to the market (you like free markets don't you ?).
A random check every now and then is just as good as a certifying agency that receives money regularly
In fact, the Halal council could randomly check if food advertised as Halal actually is, and if not could take the suppliers to court. But they want their regular blood money from the companies don't they ?
Sigh. Here we go again...
If a company self certifies there are always people going to try to catch them out. The Consumer protection agencies for a start. If a customer or one of these agencies catches the company out, they can be sued.
If there is a certifying agency, there is a financial relationship between the company and the certifyer. It's up to the certifying agency to do the checking, but if they find non compliance, they remove the certification and they don't get their money any more. That applies to Halal, the Cancer Council and whoever else. Money changing hands means corruption. Leave it to the market (you like free markets don't you ?). A random check every now and then is just as good as a certifying agency that receives money regularly. In fact, the Halal council could randomly check if food advertised as Halal actually is, and if not could take the suppliers to court. But they want their regular blood money from the companies don't they ?
Value Collector said:How are they going to take anyone to court, if they have no funds?
If we're seriously concern about what goes into (y)our food, maybe look into Genetically Modified products that's not being labelled
I did what I stated I would do and bought only food without the islamic law logo attached. $270 worth of food products which normal meat, fruit and vegetables was about two thirds. Products that I swapped for other brands were Fantastic crackers (religious cert. logo) to Sakata crackers (no logo) and Bega cheese (religious cert. logo) to Select Tasty cheese which is a Woolies brand but minus the religious logo.
but I'm not going to support religions that have no benefit to me because I'm not one of their group.
Your not supporting religions when you by halal stuff.
So we don't support the Heart foundation when we buy HF certified food ?
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The certification costs get added to the price of the goods, minimal as they may be they are still there.
So where does the certification fee for Halal go to ? Not to any organisation that I would get a benefit from
No, The company pays a fixed fee to the HF, you buying units after that does not produce an extra return to the HF, and the HF might charge $25K, So if the company sells 3,000,000 units, that's less than 1cent per unit.
But even then your not paying for that fraction of a cent per unit, the company is expecting to sell more units based on the certification, so that fraction of a cent per unit is being offset by more sales.
Not to mention that increased sales can lead to increased scale and a reduction in the production cost per unit. so halal opening more expect ops, means a reduction in production cost
If you want to maximise benefit to you, choose the product based on quality and price, not whether it has been certified, I mean picking an inferior product or paying $1 extra to avoid Halal would be just silly. So I say ignore Halal, and just make decisions on quality and price.
No, The company pays a fixed fee to the HF, you buying units after that does not produce an extra return to the HF, and the HF might charge $25K, So if the company sells 3,000,000 units, that's less than 1cent per unit.
But even then your not paying for that fraction of a cent per unit, the company is expecting to sell more units based on the certification, so that fraction of a cent per unit is being offset by more sales.
No, it would be coming from the companies marketing budget. Just like the cost of TV ads don't get added to the price of goods, the companies make investments in marketing to increase sales, which produce extra profits which pay for the investment in the marketing.
Not to mention that increased sales can lead to increased scale and a reduction in the production cost per unit. so halal opening more expect ops, means a reduction in production cost
It would be going mostly to wages, rent, phone, internet, utilities and transportation of the certifying body.
If you want to maximise benefit to you, choose the product based on quality and price, not whether it has been certified, I mean picking an inferior product or paying $1 extra to avoid Halal would be just silly. So I say ignore Halal, and just make decisions on quality and price.
this will be my last post.
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I'm afraid your credibility has been devalued.
Sigh!!!
Value Collector said:No, it would be coming from the companies marketing budget. Just like the cost of TV ads don't get added to the price of goods,
herzy said:One could go a step further, and point out that a community boycott of halal products will actually make products more expensive - it creates division in the market,
Value Collector said:I knew that wasn't his real problem with it, so wasn't interested anymore in that line of conversation.
I did say unless he brought up new information, this is a different angle he is attacking it from here, I was growing tired of the "certification is meaningless because they get paid angle".
I knew that wasn't his real problem with it, so wasn't interested anymore in that line of conversation.
Surely that statement is either totally incorrect or very naive. All business costs are factored in to the price of goods. Advertising is a recognised business expense for tax purposes, I'm sure certification fees are as well. You may as well say salaries don't get added to the price of goods.
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So answer me this, what did Muslim people eat before Halal foods came on to the market in Australia ? Did they import all their foods from overseas, or did they eat the horrible heathen stuff ?
If they did eat non-Halal foods, even a morsel, are they condemned now to a horrible fate in Hell ? Can any Muslim in Australia guarantee that they have never eaten "unholy" food ? If they can't, then they are all doomed by the Koran to suffer the consequences.
Value Collector said:and yes, a lot of trusted brands would be imported and sold in Muslim owned stores, if you have been to western Sydney you know what I mean, certification lets Aussie companies compete with these trusted brands.
And, if Certification fees are a tax deduction to the companies, you and I Joe taxpayer are paying for it , like it or not.
If it leads to higher sales and more exports, there will be increased profit and higher taxes, So your argument in just silly. Companies do it to maximise their earnings, not reduce them.
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you really are clutching at straws with these arguments.
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