The Middle East and Western Asia: Bit of a hot spot?

[robert toms]

Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

You see there are some people that resort to violence as a last resort....
as for the Balkans that proved a remote bombing experience for the US,not one US soldier was risked.
Theirs is a military culture..intimidating others with shock and awe....rather than go after the criminals after 9/11 they decided to change the middle east with their military actions.
When you spend more than the rest of the world combined on aggressive military weaponry...why keep your guns in the holsters,when you have paid that much for them ?

 

[bel532]

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You see there are some people that resort to violence as a last resort....
as for the Balkans that proved a remote bombing experience for the US,not one US soldier was risked.
Theirs is a military culture..intimidating others with shock and awe....rather than go after the criminals after 9/11 they decided to change the middle east with their military actions.
When you spend more than the rest of the world combined on aggressive military weaponry...why keep your guns in the holsters,when you have paid that much for them ?

The real 'shock and awe' comes form those Islamist Fundamentalists who want ALL people to revert back to their backward, narrow minded 'Middle Ages' concept of the world, where the rule of law is subsumed by the Rule of Religion.

 

[numbercruncher]

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The real 'shock and awe' comes form those Islamist Fundamentalists who want ALL people to revert back to their backward, narrow minded 'Middle Ages' concept of the world, where the rule of law is subsumed by the Rule of Religion.

Exactly!!


And there is literally 10's of Millions of them that chant " Death to America, Death to Britain"

Which for this HUGE minority ? Translates to Death to everything non islamic, it amazes me how successful this Islamofascist minority is at the Propaganda war.

Look at this Psychopath President of Iran, he fully beleives the Mahdi the 12th Imam of End Times is on his way back and is preparing for it!

Hello this is the 21st centuary i thought we where over all this bull, but it seems people WANT to make this fairytale come true.

 

[chops_a_must]

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The real 'shock and awe' comes form those Islamist Fundamentalists who want ALL people to revert back to their backward, narrow minded 'Middle Ages' concept of the world, where the rule of law is subsumed by the Rule of Religion.

And the difference between that and the current US administration right now?... Lol.

 

[KIWIKARLOS]

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There was a really interesting show on SBS the other night showing the lives of 3 people in Iran. A painter, a musician and a female athlete. Really gave a good perspective on how autocratic things are over there, the painter was arrested and jailed for over 6 months for painting female impressions and told next time he would be killed.

I say any American pretext for war in Iran over atomic weapons is bullcrap, the majority of Irainian people just like most other Muslims and Arabs are tolerant "good" people.

There are extremists in all religions, look at the classical American evangelist. Their views on morality and ideologly can be percieved to be just as extreme and irrational as other Fundamentalists.

The fact is their should be no radical connection between church and state, sure I believe every country needs an underlying connection to religious values as Australia is clearly a Christian based county and should remain as such.

I personally believe there should be caps on the amount of Muslim and other migration to Australia simply for the fact of preserving culture and limiting segregation amoungst communities. Also by slowly letting people migrate to Australia rather than allowing large numbers we allow time for people to adjust to our culture rather than form satilite communites based on their origins.

The most multicultural countries in the world are the Western countries eg. America , Australia, England , Denmark etc. and all have problems with multiculturalism.

 

[numbercruncher]

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And the difference between that and the current US administration right now?... Lol.

Seems to me they are agressive towards people whom are agressive towards them. People make out like the US is out invading the world or something, they are the only ones with the balls enough to reign in Evil. Everyone takes freedom for granted because its all they've ever experienced. Without the USA your freedom is gone.

Its just a fact.

....... In the Last 1000 years theres only been like 3 years total where a war wasnt being raged somewhere on the planet. Perhaps mankinds natural state is war?

 

[chops_a_must]

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Seems to me they are agressive towards people whom are agressive towards them. People make out like the US is out invading the world or something, they are the only ones with the balls enough to reign in Evil. Everyone takes freedom for granted because its all they've ever experienced. Without the USA your freedom is gone.

Its just a fact.

I give the credit for freedom to the French.

But what about Zimbabwe, what about Sudan, what about Chechnya? It's all well and good to say that the US are the protectors of the world, but the reality is they choose to intervene when it suits their interests, not for any overarching values.

In ancient Greece there was a big jump between sophistry and philosophy. It's amazing that 2600 years later, people still struggle when dealing with rhetoric.

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

I give the credit for freedom to the French.

But what about Zimbabwe, what about Sudan, what about Chechnya? It's all well and good to say that the US are the protectors of the world, but the reality is they choose to intervene when it suits their interests, not for any overarching values.

In ancient Greece there was a big jump between sophistry and philosophy. It's amazing that 2600 years later, people still struggle when dealing with rhetoric.

Zimbabwe is a work in progress. They have had some intervention in Sudan and Chechnya is Russias pet. The UN is a useless good for nothing body that does nothing but play pass the veto and the US cant possibly be everywhere at once, priorities. If the Oil supply stops so does the economy. If places Like Iran devolp Nukes theyll pretty much dictate terms to the world or even worse use them.

Ok with the power of hindsight Iraq looks like a Mistake, would of unfortunatley been better to leave Saddam there Murdering Raping and torturing whomever he pleased (Mostly Shiates and Kurds).

 

[KIWIKARLOS]

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They can't go around helping every country like sudan etc. There is an international community which has just as much of an obligation to step in where needed.

Look at the cost of Iraq and Afganistan to America, then think of what would happen if they put forces in Sudan , Dafur, Somalia etc.

 

[chops_a_must]

Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

Look at the cost of Iraq and Afganistan to America, then think of what would happen if they put forces in Sudan , Dafur, Somalia etc.

Well, they had the choice. And they wouldn't have had to doctor evidence to justify it either.

If the Oil supply stops so does the economy.

Uh huh. Now we see the real issue at hand...

The UN is a useless good for nothing body that does nothing but play pass the veto

You do realise that the US has used the veto in the UN more than anyone else don't you? They refuse to allow any resolutions that would force Israel to do anything, which is one of the reasons WHY nothing can be achieved in the middle east.

If places Like Iran devolp Nukes theyll pretty much dictate terms to the world

Oh... like Israel? Gotcha! Lol!

 

[ironchef]

Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

Exactly!!


And there is literally 10's of Millions of them that chant " Death to America, Death to Britain"

Which for this HUGE minority ? Translates to Death to everything non islamic, it amazes me how successful this Islamofascist minority is at the Propaganda war.

Look at this Psychopath President of Iran, he fully beleives the Mahdi the 12th Imam of End Times is on his way back and is preparing for it!

Hello this is the 21st centuary i thought we where over all this bull, but it seems people WANT to make this fairytale come true.

bel532 and numbercruncher,

Islamist Fundimentalists don't want to change the culture in the west. They want the west OUT of the middle east. This is a repeated statement.

Nobody wants to revert you back to their backward, narrow minded 'Middle Ages' concept of the world. Get your head out of the sand and stop repeating what you hear on CNN.

 

[numbercruncher]

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bel532 and numbercruncher,

Islamist Fundimentalists don't want to change the culture in the west. They want the west OUT of the middle east. This is a repeated statement.

Nobody wants to revert you back to their backward, narrow minded 'Middle Ages' concept of the world. Get your head out of the sand and stop repeating what you hear on CNN.

I believe the Fundamentalists want the West out as well, to their peril, and that of the Majority, places Like Iran cant even produce enough Petroleum to satisfy their own needs despite the amount of Oil there... Hell they cant even get along within their own Religion, Sunnis and Shiates kill each other all day long, they'll make themselves extinct without any help.

Personally I say leave em be. They made their Bed, let em lay in it. Make oil obsolete, but they HAVE to be kept in check about WMDs.

You say "Nobody" wants us to revert to their Backward concept of the World, thats wrong. I believe that theres literally Millions of them that do, but they have Zero chance so we got nothing to fear there!

 

[KIWIKARLOS]

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Well the problem with that champ is that this world doesn't work these days with countries trying to close their doors to "outsiders". How the the world as a whole tackle issues which are "global" eg. Global Warming, Over population , environmental distruction etc without having interelating interests.

You say they want us out, with out our consumers buying their S%it they would have nothing. Whats Irans largest export behind Oil?! Maybe Palm oil or olives.

By closes ones doors an alienating "westerners" saying don't come to our country but hang on accept a few thousand people from ours who don't really like what were doing. They are simply stroking our feeling of mistrust.

PS Is there a west and east anymore anyway, if so where is the boundary now we don't have the berlin wall?

 

[chops_a_must]

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You say "Nobody" wants us to revert to their Backward concept of the World, thats wrong. I believe that theres literally Millions of them that do, but they have Zero chance so we got nothing to fear there!

Well yeah, lilterally millions would still be a tiny minority considering the world wide Islamic population is close to 1.5 billion, which was the point. It's not a majority view that wants death to all in the west, but I'd say a majority of people (islamic and western for that matter) want an end to interference in Islamic countries and regions.

Aside from that, it's a little bit early on a Monday to be drunk isn't it?

 

[bel532]

Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

I give the credit for freedom to the French.

But what about Zimbabwe, what about Sudan, what about Chechnya? It's all well and good to say that the USA are the protectors of the world, but the reality is they choose to intervene when it suits their interests, not for any overarching values.

In ancient Greece there was a big jump between sophistry and philosophy. It's amazing that 2600 years later, people still struggle when dealing with rhetoric.

Didn't the USA also try to help in Somalia (who can forget those soldiers being dragged through the dust?)and Serbia (whilst the Euros did nothing about the conflict on their doorstep). And who helped the Euros post WW11 that lead to Europe's economic revival? It certainly wasn't the Soviet Union which plundered all of Eastern Europe till it became an economic 'basket case'. If you want to criticise America do it with some degree of impartiality and only where it deserves criticism (no country is immune for some degree of criticism).

Why do people keep castigating the USA for not intervening 'here and there and everywhere' but don't have the same expectations of the Euros? Tell me who is doing the so called 'heavy lifting' in Afghanistan?

You talk about Chechyna. What has that got to do with the USA?

 

[KIWIKARLOS]

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That is complete BS

The countries which have the greatest social injustices just happen to include quite a few muslim countries.

You say we should stop interferring with their politics but what about if the political system is screwed. Perhapes we should leave President Mugabi to run his fine political institution and go over there for a cricket match.

Look at Indonesia, Worlds biggest muslim nation and with out a doubt one of the most dodgy political systems in the world. How about all those immigrant workers in Saudi Arabia that get treated like slaves, they have a great government.

If they came to Australia or England etc they would be getting welfare payments before the end of the week.

 

[bel532]

Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

Well yeah, lilterally millions would still be a tiny minority considering the world wide Islamic population is close to 1.5 billion, which was the point. It's not a majority view that wants death to all in the west, but I'd say a majority of people (islamic and western for that matter) want an end to interference in Islamic countries and regions.

Aside from that, it's a little bit early on a Monday to be drunk isn't it?

I would say a majority of NON Islamic people want an end to Islamic leaders calling for a Jihad against the West, the reimposition of the Islamic Caliphate and the subjugation of women.

 

[chops_a_must]

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Look at Indonesia, Worlds biggest muslim nation and with out a doubt one of the most dodgy political systems in the world.

Lol. The IMF set that up.

Any more ill informed comments anyone?

 

[KIWIKARLOS]

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As if its only "Western" Countries influencing Muslim politics. All the worlds big players have their hands in all parts of the pie.

eg. China and Pacific nations / Africa
Russia in belarus / kosovo etc.


The funny thing is if all the middle east countries stuck together instead of cutting each others throats they would be a force to be reconed with, Personally i would like to see another ottaman empire or such, it might provide more security and peace.

 

[KIWIKARLOS]

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The IMF set it up.... HAHAHAHAHA

I didn't relise you were such a scholar from reading biased articals from the information clearing house and other fine internet propaganda machines.

Tell me where exactly did you get this information, or was it an assumption you made...