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Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

KIWIKARLOS said:
The funny thing is if all the middle east countries stuck together instead of cutting each others throats they would be a force to be reconed with, Personally i would like to see another ottaman empire or such, it might provide more security and peace.
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I've posted elsewhere on this site about that being a designated tactic of the US in the middle east. That's why they backed the baathists and SANCTIONED the killing of various islamic groups.

Divide and conquer, they will provide no challenge if they cannot unite.
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

chops_a_must said:
Well yeah, lilterally millions would still be a tiny minority considering the world wide Islamic population is close to 1.5 billion, which was the point. It's not a majority view that wants death to all in the west, but I'd say a majority of people (islamic and western for that matter) want an end to interference in Islamic countries and regions.

Aside from that, it's a little bit early on a Monday to be drunk isn't it?
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Exactly what interferance are you referring to ? Iraq ? sure lets leave, I agree !! Lets go tomorrow!

Do you think that Westerners want out of the Middle East for the Same reasons that you do or the fundamentalists do ?

Those hostage taking nuclear bomb building Iranians? ah ah aint gonna happen anytime soon !

Who else ? Afghanistan, arnt we now there with Afghanistans Governments Belssing ?

Where else are "Westerners" Interferring ?

Oh i get it because i dont succumb to your train of thought of coarse i must be a Decadent (western?) Drunk ?
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

KIWIKARLOS said:
The IMF set it up.... HAHAHAHAHA

I didn't relise you were such a scholar from reading biased articals from the information clearing house and other fine internet propaganda machines.

Tell me where exactly did you get this information, or was it an assumption you made...
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Dude. It's not up to me to educate you. There have been many authors on the subject. Stiglitz probably the best.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/indonesia/latest_news/119700.stm

The IMF tied funding to political reforms.

Next time, research something before you laugh at it. You just might find you are wrong.
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

numbercruncher said:
I believe the Fundamentalists want the West out as well, to their peril, and that of the Majority, places Like Iran cant even produce enough Petroleum to satisfy their own needs despite the amount of Oil there... Hell they cant even get along within their own Religion, Sunnis and Shiates kill each other all day long, they'll make themselves extinct without any help.
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The West has obviously been a GREAT help in this department. Thanks.

numbercruncher, I don't recommend the following link to you. Others with a more open mind look at these in order:
1. Petroeuro
2. Recent news article
3. The Euro threat

numbercruncher said:
Personally I say leave em be. They made their Bed, let em lay in it. Make oil obsolete, but they HAVE to be kept in check about WMDs.
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Make oil obsolete? Have you drawn up the blue prints on how to achieve this yet or are you just rambling on like a mad man?

numbercruncher said:
You say "Nobody" wants us to revert to their Backward concept of the World, thats wrong. I believe that theres literally Millions of them that do, but they have Zero chance so we got nothing to fear there!
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You need to get out more.
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION!!!!

How do you personally know they sanctioned killings? Again provide some sources champ.

In court they call it hearsay.

Of course America is sanctioning stuff like this, but who knows what exactly.
Do you think the Irainian's haven't sanctioned killings?

Maybe if Irainians ruled the world we could all hold hands, dance around glowing fires singing cumbyare all day. If you think the west is so dodgy why don't you move to Iran, where websites like this and the things I say would probably have me shot.
 
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I wasn't laughing because i didn't think that it was true.

Are you implying the IMF should hand out money without conditions for political reform be it openly or subversly. You think Chinas not handing out its big aid packets and deals without some strings attached in the back ground.

Nobodys denying behind the scenes influence, I just don't see why your upset with it. It's been happening for thousands of years and will continue to happen.

It's called Influence be it political , economic or cultural. Silent wars are been fought accross the globe right now. When it comes down to it choose your view and fight for it.

Would you like to see Irainian cultural, political influence spread. I mean do you honestly think its a good system they have going?
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

ironchef said:
The West has obviously been a GREAT help in this department. Thanks.


Make oil obsolete? Have you drawn up the blue prints on how to achieve this yet or are you just rambling on like a mad man?


You need to get out more.
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Negative on the blue prints, but cutting the supply would force us to come up with one! We need a recession or worse, so we can grow again :) This electric car with 1 cent per mile running costs sounds a good start http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1

So i need to get out more because there isnt Millions out of 1.5b whom want us to accept there backwards vision of the world or because you think they have more than the Zero chance of achieving this ?

:confused:
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

Iron Chef

You've pointed out the subject of Petrodollars and the Euro Boarse etc.

The Euro Bourse would make the American dollar weaker both economically and politically but it would also strengthen the European Union who are strong allies with America.

You think europe isn't rubbing its hands together thinking that the Euro bourse is going to make them more of a global player. Nato is basically an American army.
 
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What a wonderful world.

thankya God thankya...
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

KIWIKARLOS said:
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION!!!!

How do you personally know they sanctioned killings?
...

Of course America is sanctioning stuff like this, but who knows what exactly.
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Christ, I've lost a chromosome just reading this junk.

The US (amongst others) were providing Saddam with the technology and equipment needed to produce poison gas. They knew he was using it, what's worse is they knew he was using it on his own people, the kurds. Straight away after the gas attack in Halabja, the CIA were on the spot trying to pin it on Iran.

Support continued for Saddam for many years after this. Nothing was said, technology, equipment and chemicals continued to be provided.
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

No need to have a cry....

I'm not saying Americans are saints and i agree with everything you've said about their influence and activities.

You have said we should stop interfering in middle east politics and i would like to know why you think we should back off.

Why should we stop aiding criminals and dodgy governments to help achieve our goals?

Instead of telling us what America has done why don't you give some suggestions as to what they should do. Perhaps instead of cruise missiles we show rain flowers on Iran?
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

more favourable....

I do believe they have sanctions on Iran and they sound like they are the ones pushing the escalation over the british marines.

But then again Europe would love to diversify its energy needs from Russia into Iran, Maybe NAto will liberate Iran ;o)
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

KIWIKARLOS said:
No need to have a cry....

Instead of telling us what America has done why don't you give some suggestions as to what they should do. Perhaps instead of cruise missiles we show rain flowers on Iran?
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LOL I reckon half the Problem of the Middle East is sexual Frustration, Punishment for adultry is severe as murder in some of these places, reward for being a Martyr is a one way ticket to heaven with 20 virgins, no wonder Suicide bombing is such a hit :)

I say we conduct bombing raids that drop million of copies of Private or Evil angels lastest DvDs and various stick mags, might cool em down a bit.
 
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hahahaha

provocative but funny, sounds like something you'ld see on ronnie jones
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

KIWIKARLOS said:
why should we stop aiding criminals and dodgy governments to help achieve our goals.
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Because that's how we get people like Mugabe, Suharto or Saddam. (If I am reading that sentence correctly.)

In short, we shouldn't fund any criminals.
KIWIKARLOS said:
instead of telling us what America has done why don;t you give some suggestions as to what they should do. Perhapes instead of cruise missiles we show rain flowers on Iran?
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We need to stop dressing Israel up in cotton wool, and treat them as if they were an ordinary country. Not as if they were an emo kid or a pariah state like they are. That's a start. Longer term we really need to get western corporations out of the region and let each country organise the economy themself.
 
Re: The Middle East - Set for disaster - again

ironchef said:
I'm sure the Iranians view the Europeans as more favourable.

And to my dear numbercruncher: http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=19288&vf=12

http://www.gaiaguys.net/electriccar07.htm

lol
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Thanks my dear Ironchef, awesome !! And Ironically the inventor is Iranian born !! What sweet justice, he decided to leave his opressive war mongering nuke building mother country and might be the inventor of the very thing that makes them less dangerous!! What a true blue Legend !!

The article says no one is interested in it ? hmm find that hard to beleive id buy one if he made them here at a competitive price !
 

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