The Middle East and Western Asia: Bit of a hot spot?

KIWIKARLOS · 2 April 2007

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Good call on Israel but economically I don't see how your proposal would work.
To fund multi- billion dollar projects and develop the world globally toward future goals, small localised economies would not work.

In addition to that it would be a highly inefficient system, unlike free trade agreements now which in theory should see the best efficiency of resources worldwide particularily with an ever increasing population.

Global economies are here to stay, grow and develop.

If foreign investment from first world contries did not happen then 3rd world countries would never get off their feet.

Alot of 3rd world countries have money and income but it is squandered and not necessarily only by Americans.

numbercruncher · 2 April 2007

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ironchef said:
war mongering nuke building mother country? Are we talking about the US or Iran??

I can't remember the last war that the Iranians started or the last nuke they built.

Theyve been war mongers since before the US was even discovered http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/centrasia/milxiran.html

And we all know they are Building nukes in preperation for the End times and to wipe the oppressed Israelis off the map. After all the Holocaust according to Iran never happened .....

And if the Sailors they kidnapped the other week where Americans theyd be at war again right now! Or atleast every one of those Revolutionary Guard gunboats would be rusting at the bottom of the gulf.

Im not picking on Iranian people they are nice folks im sure its there Government and institutions that make them mostly live poverty ridden lives and brain wash them into hating!

You think its bad in the West having the "choice" or not to watch cnn, try Iran where you got no choice but to suck up brainwashing state television and blocked IP addresses of anything they dont want tehre citizens to see!
Now that really makes one dimensional drones.

Peace.

Iran makes £55 million from hostage crisis as oil prices soar http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=506142007

ironchef · 2 April 2007

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Oppressed Israelis? LOL. No comment.

Even though the site lists no more information per event other than a few words and a year along side it, the last item on the list definately proves your point:

1988 - Iranian passenger plane shot down over Persian Gulf by U.S. warship

Is that a listing of a war that Iran started? You really _should read_ websites before you paste their links my freind.

numbercruncher · 2 April 2007

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Maybe thats why Iran wants to build nukes and destroy America etc a grudge over that terrible accident?

hmmm, well the Iranians already Killed more people than died in that terrible accident by supplying weapons to terrorists in Iraq.

Bobby · 2 April 2007

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numbercruncher said:
LOL I reckon half the Problem of the Middle East is sexual Frustration, Punishment for adultry is severe as murder in some of these places, reward for being a Martyr is a one way ticket to heaven with 20 virgins, no wonder Suicide bombing is such a hit

I say we conduct bombing raids that drop million of copies of Private or Evil angels lastest DvDs and various stick mags, might cool em down a bit.

Yes what a great idea! ~ Free holidays for potential bombers to the Philippines.
I used to deal with reproduction antiques from there back in the late 80's, remember the sex menu's displayed outside the bars, a sicko heaven __ eg:
headjobs $4AU.
Now if any islamist would prefer this alternative to blowing up others how about I offer my philanthropist help to blowing.

Bobby.

bel532 · 2 April 2007

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KIWIKARLOS said:
There was a really interesting show on SBS the other night showing the lives of 3 people in Iran. A painter, a musician and a female athlete. Really gave a good perspective on how autocratic things are over there, the painter was arrested and jailed for over 6 months for painting female impressions and told next time he would be killed.

I say any American pretext for war in Iran over atomic weapons is bullcrap, the majority of Irainian people just like most other Muslims and Arabs are tolerant "good" people.

There are extremists in all religions, look at the classical American evangelist. Their views on morality and ideologly can be percieved to be just as extreme and irrational as other Fundamentalists.

The fact is their should be no radical connection between church and state, sure I believe every country needs an underlying connection to religious values as Australia is clearly a Christian based county and should remain as such.

I personally believe there should be caps on the amount of Muslim and other migration to Australia simply for the fact of preserving culture and limiting segregation amoungst communities. Also by slowly letting people migrate to Australia rather than allowing large numbers we allow time for people to adjust to our culture rather than form satilite communites based on their origins.

The most multicultural countries in the world are the Western countries eg. America , Australia, England , Denmark etc. and all have problems with multiculturalism.

Do countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan etc embrace Multiculturism like the West? Do they allow non-believers to dress in the "manner to which they are accustomed"?

I'd like to see that!

Wysiwyg · 2 April 2007

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KIWIKARLOS said:
I personally believe there should be caps on the amount migration to Australia simply for the fact of preserving culture and limiting segregation amoungst communities. Also by slowly letting people migrate to Australia rather than allowing large numbers we allow time for people to adjust to our culture rather than form satilite communites based on their origins.

The most multicultural countries in the world are the Western countries eg. America , Australia, England , Denmark etc. and all have problems with multiculturalism.

Kiwikarlost mate....please forgive me for dissecting your post but I think those words are wise.It is also a modern phenomena that cultural antics are transfered via media , they being good or bad.
Well done to the media (and communities) in Australia who expose the unsavoury characters before they develop critical mass , for it is followers that they need.

Bobby · 2 April 2007

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Whats needed is a plebiscite on - the question of islam immigrants.

I think any new citizen that places religion before loyalty to Australia, is a security risk, an example is the home grown Murders in the UK!

Bobby.

bel532 · 3 April 2007

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Bobby said:
Whats needed is a plebiscite on - the question of islam immigrants.

I think any new citizen that places religion before loyalty to Australia, is a security risk, an example is the home grown Murders in the UK!

Bobby.

We should remove Dual Citizenship. How can you be loyal to two countries? Look at all those Lebanese who were spending most of their time in Lebanon and then, when things got tough in that country, pleaded (and some complained) for help from the Australian Government to help them to leave the country. Where do their loyalties lie, to Australia or Lebanon, or do they just 'cherry pick' when it suits them??

It has become sillier now that Aussie Italians can vote at Italian elections. Where would their loyalty lie in the (unlikely) event of a war bewteen Italy and Australia?

bel532 · 3 April 2007

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ironchef said:
Oppressed Israelis? LOL. No comment.

Even though the site lists no more information per event other than a few words and a year along side it, the last item on the list definately proves your point:

1988 - Iranian passenger plane shot down over Persian Gulf by U.S. warship

Is that a listing of a war that Iran started? You really _should read_ websites before you paste their links my freind.

I certainly don't wish to justify this terrible mishap, but it pales into insignificance compared to the thousands of Iranians that have been murdered and tortured by the Mullahs in the name of religion. Why do people need religion? It's really only for those who can't think for thmeselves and those who have been brainwashed into believing in an 'after life' (and I won't even mention those virgins).

Contemporary Islam reminds of the narrow mindset of the Ronman Catholic Church during the time of the Inquisition. But we have moved on since then, haven't we?

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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bel532 said:
IContemporary Islam reminds of the narrow mindset of the Ronman Catholic Church during the time of the Inquisition. But we have moved on since then, haven't we?

yep - only recently though - IRA and Paisley are talking at last. (was it this week? )
I guess since the USA Irish stopped funding IRA terrorism - i.e. since terrorism became unfashionable. (but at least there's now a ray of hope there).
I was amused to hear that the bloke who invented Billings (?) method of contraception died. - i.e. Vatican Roulette - 3 in 100 chance of getting pregnant etc. "He is survived by wife and 8 of his 9 children" lol
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1888225.htm

PS In the 80's it was possible for Britsh army to qualify for "overseas service" and "war service homes" etc - just by serving on home soil, eg Northern Ireland - not that I would have swapped em for quids.

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
In all 3000 killed in Nth Ireland - of them 500+300 = 800 army and police

and including Lord Mountbatten - (British Royal - every chance he was blown up with american explosive )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma
(big percentage of IRA funds from USA)

PS Also known as Earl Mountbatten etc - good man, survived WWII - shame he didnt appreciate the threat from the terrorists who didn't like him.

acquired the courtesy style Lord Louis Mountbatten and was known as Lord Louis informally until his death notwithstanding his being granted a viscountcy in recognition of his wartime service in the Far East and an earldom for his role in the transition of India from British dependency to sovereign state

PS I posted elsewhere (Hicks thread) that article by Uni of NSW Prof on anti-terrorism laws - he points out how crucial it is that we cooperate with moderate muslims - otherwise the terrorists will have safe refuge in our society.

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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bel532 said:
It has become sillier now that Aussie Italians can vote at Italian elections. Were would their loyalty lie in the (unlikely) event of a war bewteen Italy and Australia?

you mean the ones where the tanks have 4 reverse gears and one forward ?
"and why the forward gear ?"
"in case they attack from the rear"

chops_a_must · 3 April 2007

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2020hindsight said:
you mean the ones where the tanks have 4 reverse gears and one forward ?
"and why the forward gear ?"
"in case they attack from the rear"

Hahaha! I was going to make a similar joke. I don't think you would have to worry about Italian-Australians fighting in a war. They would more than likely try to surrender to both sides. Lol!

bel532 · 3 April 2007

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2020hindsight said:
you mean the ones where the tanks have 4 reverse gears and one forward ?
"and why the forward gear ?"
"in case they attack from the rear"

I like that, it has a certain appeal!

vishalt · 3 April 2007

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Italians are a great foe, you think you've killed them when they've actually dived!

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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vishalt said:
Italians are a great foe, you think you've killed them when they've actually dived!

world cup soccer? (sheesh are we gettin off the subject lol)

was that after we played that friendly against Kuwait -

ahh yes , the middle east !!

bel532 · 4 April 2007

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2020hindsight said:
yep - only recently though - IRA and Paisley are talking at last. (was it this week? )
I guess since the USA Irish stopped funding IRA terrorism - i.e. since terrorism became unfashionable. (but at least there's now a ray of hope there).
I was amused to hear that the bloke who invented Billings (?) method of contraception died. - i.e. Vatican Roulette - 3 in 100 chance of getting pregnant etc. "He is survived by wife and 8 of his 9 children" lol
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1888225.htm

PS In the 80's it was possible for Britsh army to qualify for "overseas service" and "war service homes" etc - just by serving on home soil, eg Northern Ireland - not that I would have swapped em for quids.

It's not correct to state that 'the USA funded terrorists in Northern Ireland'. But it is probably true that certain elements in the USA, mainly Irish expatriats, funded these terrorists.

chops_a_must · 4 April 2007

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bel532 said:
It's not correct to state that 'the USA funded terrorists in Northern Ireland'. But it is probably true that certain elements in the USA, mainly Irish expatriats, funded these terrorists.

2020hindsight said:
I guess since the USA Irish stopped funding IRA terrorism

Ta.

2020hindsight · 4 April 2007

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bel532 said:
It's not correct to state that 'the USA funded terrorists in Northern Ireland. But it is probably true that certain elements in the USA, mainly Irish expatriats, finded these terrorists.

don't recall saying it was from the USA govt - - you're right, not from them,
but from the USA nonetheless.
either way, it went on under the administration's noses.

I am aware that the world is a different place since 9/11. Everyone is.
But the risk of terrorism appears to be a new awareness for USA, whereas UK has known about it first-hand since the 60's.

and a lot of English blood spilt using (probably) american sourced explosives. - many more victime than the recent London bombings for instance

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