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sptrawler said:
He is dead, whether by the three or as collateral damage, doesn't change the fact I don't understand why there is so much emphasis put on saving the perpetrators, while risking more lives.
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because I strongly and most sensible people I think should also believe that the so called perpetrators were 2 and not 3 and a bit of distinction could have saved a victim ,not to say the neighbour..we will never know for the later.
I am not soft heart but thinking instead of going gun blazing can help.Also in a group, you keep one alive if you really want to understand why what and find associates...but killing all is also a convenient way to ensure one story only
Europe is used to that: soon it is all these antivax, neo nazi, we should get a license for a carving knife etc etc etc

Killing a perpetrator why not.... but rapist or killers of unharmed victims walk away after 5 to 10 y not to say no jail if they are speeding a stolen car into innocent bystanders.
1 law for some, another for the "Force"; and if I kill an home invader, I go to jail, a given!
anyway, we will not remake that society, and this story will be milked at nauseum...
 
Interesting subject IMO, when will the victims become just as important as the perpetrators of crime, the victims usually get one line.
Then the whole story revolves around what made the perpetrator do it, their poor unfortunate childhood, drug abuse, drinking problems, abusive parents etc, what about if the victim had suffered all that as well? That story doesn't seem to take precedence.
 
sptrawler said:
No IMO we should actually stop accentuating this right wing/left wing nonsense, in Australia both parties run fairly close to centre, people try to make out it is a choice between communism/ facism, black/white, right/wrong.
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Yes, all extremists are the same when it comes to their effect on society, ie disruption, but they have different motivations which need to be understood.

eg why are Right wing extremists so distrustful of government (well we all are, but we don't take it to extremes), and why do Lefties think that the government should be the overlord and the public should shut up and do what they are told ?

Both these groups seem to think that violence or "cancelling" or other extreme forms of action is better than civil debate and the only way out imo is for governments and their agencies like police and other public service departments (think Robodebt) to be more open and less authoritarian about their activities.
 
This officer deserves the highest accolades, risking his life to divert the mob who didn't realise they were closing in on politicians including Nancy Pelosi.
www.abc.net.au

QAnon follower who chased officer on January 6 sentenced to five years in jail

Construction worker and QAnon follower Douglas Jensen is sentenced to prison for his role in the US Capitol insurrection, when he led a crowd chasing a police officer who was diverting rioters away from politicians.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Knobby22 said:
This officer deserves the highest accolades, risking his life to divert the mob who didn't realise they were closing in on politicians including Nancy Pelosi.
www.abc.net.au

QAnon follower who chased officer on January 6 sentenced to five years in jail

Construction worker and QAnon follower Douglas Jensen is sentenced to prison for his role in the US Capitol insurrection, when he led a crowd chasing a police officer who was diverting rioters away from politicians.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Deserved.

But that article really jumps the shark.

And still no insurrection charges on anyone.
 
wayneL said:
Deserved.

But that article really jumps the shark.

And still no insurrection charges on anyone.
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I get where you are coming from.
If you treat the action as a coup attempt then it was disorganised, reasonably weaponless and unled.

Definition though:
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Sure, as insurrection go it wasn't anywhere near the worst of them but it would have been very interesting if they had of found Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence.

(Ps My big bet today was Persan and it came in :))
 
Knobby22 said:
I get where you are coming from.
If you treat the action as a coup attempt then it was disorganised, reasonably weaponless and unled.

Definition though:
a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Sure, as insurrection go it wasn't anywhere near the worst of them but it would have been very interesting if they had of found Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence.

(Ps My big bet today was Persan and it came in :))
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Why weren't the CHAZ idiots, or the ANTIFA clowns who attacked federal buildings on the west coast charged then?

While lawbreakers should have appropriate charges laid against them, calling this an insurrection is purely anti Trump politicking which only the left and RINO Swamp scum are buying into.
 
Additionally, why isn't Epps charged with sedition or incitement at the very least?
 
wayneL said:
Additionally, why isn't Epps charged with sedition or incitement at the very least?
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The poor guy.

www.google.com.au

A Trump Backer’s Downfall as the Target of a Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theory (Published 2022)

Ray Epps became the unwitting face of an attempt by pro-Trump forces to promote the baseless idea that the F.B.I. was behind the attack on the Capitol.
www.google.com.au www.google.com.au

 
Knobby22 said:
The poor guy.

www.google.com.au

A Trump Backer’s Downfall as the Target of a Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theory (Published 2022)

Ray Epps became the unwitting face of an attempt by pro-Trump forces to promote the baseless idea that the F.B.I. was behind the attack on the Capitol.
www.google.com.au www.google.com.au

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As the right wing in the US strip bear the peasants look over there culture war they are all woke, Jan 6 Insurrection... look over there Ray Epps ? ? hilarious.
 
IFocus said:
As the right wing in the US strip bear the peasants look over there culture war they are all woke, Jan 6 Insurrection... look over there Ray Epps ? ? hilarious.
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Always funny how you lefties deny what is right in from of your eyes... LMAO
 
Some truth seeping thru about the so called "we send cops to check on the safety of a poor missing person"
Not exactly isn't it.
Do not justify the murder of the 2 bearers of bad news but put of bit of context and remove some of the BS being fed to the masses...
They were going for him and he knew it
From their ABC
www.abc.net.au

Queensland police reveal officers were following up warrant for Nathaniel Train

Queensland police reveal officers were following up an outstanding warrant for police shooter Nathaniel Train relating to a border breach from December 2021, as well as a missing person report, when they attended the Wieambilla property last week.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
qldfrog said:
Some truth seeping thru about the so called "we send cops to check on the safety of a poor missing person"
Not exactly isn't it.
Do not justify the murder of the 2 bearers of bad news but put of bit of context and remove some of the BS being fed to the masses...
They were going for him and he knew it
From their ABC
www.abc.net.au

Queensland police reveal officers were following up warrant for Nathaniel Train

Queensland police reveal officers were following up an outstanding warrant for police shooter Nathaniel Train relating to a border breach from December 2021, as well as a missing person report, when they attended the Wieambilla property last week.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Which means what exactly ? Get 'em first ?

And seriously, if the police were "going for him" sending a few very junior police with no tactical weaponry wasn't the way to go was it ?
 
basilio said:
Which means what exactly ? Get 'em first ?

And seriously, if the police were "going for him" sending a few very junior police with no tactical weaponry wasn't the way to go was it ?
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Dude, we now live in a system where you will be put in jail for the wrong thoughts (you know, like stating actual biological facts).... And for longer sentences than actual physical crime.

While in no way I am no way whatsoever condoning these actions, as if I need to actually say that, I do get the paranoia some may feel of a lopsided system. Sometimes people feel like they have nothing left to lose.
 
basilio said:
Which means what exactly ? Get 'em first ?

And seriously, if the police were "going for him" sending a few very junior police with no tactical weaponry wasn't the way to go was it ?
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Train was reported as having broken through a State border closure carrying firearms. I think a visit from the police was inevitable.

If you don't pay a parking fine, you will get a visit from the police eventually. No conspiracy here, except from the anti-vaxxers.
 

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