The lunatic right

[wayneL]

Re the Queensland shooting its a bit strange the clamp on information about the details and now the drip feed on how bad the three killed were.

Yep something a bit dodgy going on there regarding the whole situation.

It's also curious how to people in a very tight group ended up doing something like this.

Will we ever get the real truth beyond whatever narratives people want to push, I doubt it.

 

[IFocus]

Yep something a bit dodgy going on there regarding the whole situation.

It's also curious how to people in a very tight group ended up doing something like this.

Will we ever get the real truth beyond whatever narratives people want to push, I doubt it.

Suspect the killing of the alleged shooters may have been lets say "aggressive" and any distraction / painting people with suspicions reminds me of the bad old days off WA policing.

Wouldn't trust that commissioner either.

 

[SirRumpole]

Suspect the killing of the alleged shooters may have been lets say "aggressive" and any distraction / painting people with suspicions reminds me of the bad old days off WA policing.

Wouldn't trust that commissioner either.

Qld shooters went to 'sickening lengths' to take out police

Queensland's police union says three shooters set up a surveillance system at the property where they ambushed two officers and a neighbour.

thenewdaily.com.au

A blow-by-blow transcript shows the brothers were actively firing at police for an extended period, using a ute for cover, while Stacey was unseen for some some.

“Both POIs (person of interest) now weapons are facing white side and as you can see there, they’ve got the spotlight on top of the utility and discharging weapons white side,” the audio says.

“Single male discharging his weapon, so main POI discharging the weapon has moved to the rear of the utility. The second male is sitting on the stairs, on the red side stairs.

“From what I’m looking at the main POI is obtaining rounds and loading the weapon from the rear of the utility.


“POI back open driver’s door, weapons resting on the door. Weapons facing white side. Weapons discharging white side.

“So, the main POI is now at the rear of the utility, and it would appear he has a number of cartridges on the rear tray and that is where he is reloading his weapon.

“Ahhh unable to ascertain that. We’re not getting a response from our (inaudible). There have been no indicators. The second male POI is sitting on the stairs on the red side access stairs. The female is unsighted, assumed to be (inaudible).”

Shots were going off “every five seconds” according to the audio.

The police then spot a “pair of legs” on the balcony, which they identify as being Ms Train.

Not long after, police call “female down, female down” as it appeared Ms Train was hit and POI1 was also showing “no movement” as POI2 continued to discharge rounds.

“Two’s moving, down on the ground beside the vehicle. Standing up.

“No.2 is down. Still has movement. Dropping to the ground.

“PolAir to SERT, he’s down on the ground. (Inaudible) facing the vehicle, no movement.”

It goes on: “PolAir to SERT, still have movement of number 2. Down on the ground, laying on his left-hand side, behind the couch, facing the vehicle.

“PolAir SERT, no movement from number 2. No movement from No.2.”

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Did the police shoot at "a pair of legs" without bothering to work out if she was armed ?

Some questions to answer there.

 

[moXJO]

Qld shooters went to 'sickening lengths' to take out police

Queensland's police union says three shooters set up a surveillance system at the property where they ambushed two officers and a neighbour.

thenewdaily.com.au

Did the police shoot at "a pair of legs" without bothering to work out if she was armed ?

Some questions to answer there.

Funny how other news reports are saying they had set-up bunkers and fortified positions yet here they were using a Ute as cover.
Ute doors ain't bullet proof. They try to make these guys sound like sophisticated armed terrorists. But they just seemed like trigger happy tweakers.

Earlier, Mr Dutton said Australians should be concerned about the rise of anti-authoritarian “lunacy” shown by the killer Train family.

Expected response from the dark overlord himself. He'd have us under a police state if given the chance. P1ss off Dutton.

 

[SirRumpole]

Funny how other news reports are saying they had set-up bunkers and fortified positions yet here they were using a Ute as cover.
Ute doors ain't bullet proof. They try to make these guys sound like sophisticated armed terrorists. But they just seemed like trigger happy tweakers.

Earlier, Mr Dutton said Australians should be concerned about the rise of anti-authoritarian “lunacy” shown by the killer Train family.

Expected response from the dark overlord himself. He'd have us under a police state if given the chance. P1ss off Dutton.

Yeah, there are a lot of unanswered questions. Six hours elapsed between the first shootings and when the culprits were taken out. Plenty of time to bunker down or even escape. Very strange indeed.

Also strange that Right Wingers usually believe in less government but Dutton is obviously wanting more.

 

[moXJO]

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Also strange that Right Wingers usually believe in less government but Dutton is obviously wanting more.

It's not left v right.
It's authoritarian vs liberty and this is where left and right overlap on both sides.

Unfortunately it's leading to totalitarianism across many countries. It's hard to stop once it starts.

There's enough bloody rules in this country already. Both sides of government were a little to eager to stomp protesting citizens during covid as well.

 

[moXJO]

It should also be said that killing these young cops was disgusting. I know that a lot of people celebrate when it happens and it's sheer stupidity. They were both young and most likely wanting to serve their communities. The neighbour should also get a mention as he was most likely there to help.

These trio of flogs represent the worst of humanity.

 

[SirRumpole]

It should also be said that killing these young cops was disgusting. I know that a lot of people celebrate when it happens and it's sheer stupidity. They were both young and most likely wanting to serve their communities. The neighbour should also get a mention as he was most likely there to help.

These trio of flogs represent the worst of humanity.

Absolutely, however responding to extreme violence with extreme violence has to be justified on operational grounds not just revenge. Personally I don't think that the value to society of keeping these people alive was particularly high, but questions have to be asked if there was a better way like surrounding the place and starving them out or bombarding the place with tear gas.

Anyway hopefully there will be a full and impartial enquiry at some stage.

 

[qldfrog]

Absolutely, however responding to extreme violence with extreme violence has to be justified on operational grounds not just revenge. Personally I don't think that the value to society of keeping these people alive was particularly high, but questions have to be asked if there was a better way like surrounding the place and starving them out or bombarding the place with tear gas.

Anyway hopefully there will be a full and impartial enquiry at some stage.

Funny how the poor lady, a victim of domestic violence as per a few ABC articles i read this morning, "brought up the stairs pulled by the hair in a house they were at in NQ " suddenly becomes a raging dangerous lunatic when shot most probably by mistake .
But you can not say that.all cops are heroes today..
I doubt we will ever know the truth or the sequence of events.why the neighbour? Did he even got killed by the 2 or another collateral.?
. that's what happens when you can not trust media or police anymore, and definitely not forensic report post event.
Sad for at least neighbour, young cops and lady.

 

[orr]

Tell me what I was referring to if you know....

Can you give us the Munroe Digest, opps sorry. the Readers Doctrine... hang on, no . the Readers Digest, that's i, version of that Mox I'm a bit short on time...
do you need it highlighted in bolds to know what I'm talking about ? Ollie North for el-Presidentei' got it yet?

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe I'm a bit weird, but I think way too many perpetrators that randomly and willfully murder people, are taken into custody e.g Martyn Bryant of Port Arthur fame or indeed if these three recent murderers were.
Once they have carried out an atrocity like that and it is beyond doubt that they did the action, as in caught in the act, what is the point of risking other people's lives?
Add to that the cost of incarceration and the likely hood that they will spend the rest of their lives locked up, it just seems like a lose, lose to me.
Even if they had a reasonable grievance, to crank the protest up to these sort of levels moves the people into the fanatic area, where the cause is more important than a fellow human beings life.

With a social media that fosters and connects fanatics, added to an ideological narrative based mainstream media that only reports in a fashion that supports their ideological leaning, I think these sort of loonies are going to become more and more common. As seems to be happening in the U.S and schools ATM.

How society sorts it out will be interesting, my guess is there will be a gradual push away from opinion based media reporting to AI generated reporting, that becomes less padded, more concise and facts based.
Interesting times.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe I'm a bit weird, but I think way too many perpetrators that randomly and willfully murder people, are taken into custody e.g Martyn Bryant of Port Arthur fame or indeed if these three recent murderers were.
Once they have carried out an atrocity like that and it is beyond doubt that they did the action, as in caught in the act, what is the point of risking other people's lives?
Add to that the cost of incarceration and the likely hood that they will spend the rest of their lives locked up, it just seems like a lose, lose to me.
Even if they had a reasonable grievance, to crank the protest up to these sort of levels moves the people into the fanatic area, where the cause is more important than a fellow human beings life.

With a social media that fosters and connects fanatics, added to an ideological narrative based mainstream media that only reports in a fashion that supports their ideological leaning, I think these sort of loonies are going to become more and more common. As seems to be happening in the U.S and schools ATM.

How society sorts it out will be interesting, my guess is there will be a gradual push away from opinion based media reporting to AI generated reporting, that becomes less padded, more concise and facts based.
Interesting times.

I suppose executing such people could reinforce in the minds of other loonies that the police are arbitrary and ruthless and therefore deserve no respect. Totally crazy thinking to normal people but to paranoid nutcases, who knows.

Anyway , questions remain about the woman's role, was she an active antagonist, or a victim of her husband(s), she never got the chance to say.

 

[sptrawler]

I suppose executing such people could reinforce in the minds of other loonies that the police are arbitrary and ruthless and therefore deserve no respect. Totally crazy thinking to normal people but to paranoid nutcases, who knows.

They didnt seem to show the police any respect anyway.
Or the neighbour.

 

[qldfrog]

They didnt seem to show the police any respect anyway.
Or the neighbour.

How do you know the neighbour was killed by these 2..not 3 btw?
Because it is on the abc?
Here in Queensland, any loonie who threatens to kill himself with a knife is usually helped by the force with a dozen bullets in the torso.
on the other hand, the kids with the right colour can rodeo at will in Townsville or Cairns, gangs deals openly on the GC and baggage handlers in our airports imports tons of drugs and weapons while you get a notice if you try to buy a slingshot.
Sadly i do not trust the qld police

 

[SirRumpole]

They didnt seem to show the police any respect anyway.
Or the neighbour.

True. If they were on ice at the time they would have blasted anyone I reckon.

 

[sptrawler]

How do you know the neighbour was killed by these 2..not 3 btw?
Because it is on the abc?

He is dead, whether by the three or as collateral damage, doesn't change the fact I don't understand why there is so much emphasis put on saving the perpetrators, while risking more lives.

 

[moXJO]

Can you give us the Munroe Digest, opps sorry. the Readers Doctrine... hang on, no . the Readers Digest, that's i, version of that Mox I'm a bit short on time...
do you need it highlighted in bolds to know what I'm talking about ? Ollie North for el-Presidentei' got it yet?

I'm surprised you didn't drop the "mein Kampf memo".

 

[SirRumpole]

He is dead, whether by the three or as collateral damage, doesn't change the fact I don't understand why there is so much emphasis put on saving the perpetrators, while risking more lives.

Maybe a long shot, they seem to be loners but if they were part of a wider network of like minded people then perhaps those others could be identified.

Anyway, more facts are coming out including this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12...h-nathaniel-stacey-train-conspiracy/101778102 which seems to confirm that they were determined to go down shooting.

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe a long shot, they seem to be loners but if they were part of a wider network of like minded people then perhaps those others could be identified.

Anyway, more facts are coming out including this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12...h-nathaniel-stacey-train-conspiracy/101778102 which seems to confirm that they were determined to go down shooting.

I would love to know what the formal complaints, that the ex headmaster had put forward, were.

Wieambilla shooting: property owner Gareth Train posted regularly on conspiracy website before police killed

Exclusive: The brother of missing man Nathaniel Train had posted about preparing an ark and alleging the Port Arthur attack was a ‘false-flag’ operation

www.theguardian.com

From the article:
Nathaniel Train had been living in the New South Wales town of Walgett, where he was the principal of a community primary school until August 2021, after working in several schools in north Queensland.

Family members were last in contact in October this year, and he was reported missing in NSW on 4 December.

The NSW parliament heard that in March, Nathaniel sent 16 emails over the course of two weeks to the NSW Department of Education outlining problems and challenges at the school, and requesting assistance.

8636 - Education and Early Learning - EXECUTIVE PRINCIPAL OF WALGETT COMMUNITY COLLEGE PRIMARY SCHOOL​

Latham, Mark to the Minister for Education and Early Learning

(1) How many emails did the Department Secretary Ms Harrisson receive from Nathaniel Train, the Executive Principal of Walgett Community College Primary School, outlining problems at the school and the need for assistance during his tenure? (a) How many of these emails did the Secretary respond to in substance, not including acknowledgements of receipt? (b) What assistance did Ms Harrisson provide?

Answer -

I am advised that over the course of two weeks in March 2022, Mr Train sent 16 emails to the “SecretaryOffice” email account. Given the subject matter of the emails and consistent with standard practice and procedure, after an initial acknowledgement and advice on the appropriate approach and process to follow, the emails were referred to the responsible functional unit within the Department for attention and appropriate action.

Question asked on 12 April 2022 (session 57-1) and published in Questions & Answers Paper No. 721

Answer received on 3 May 2022 and published in Questions & Answers Paper No. 733

 

[wayneL]

I think it is all (and forgive if this seems callous, it is unintended) a soap opera from now on.

I'm sure we all feel dreadfully sorry for the innocent lives taken, whomever they may have been, script writers have now taken over; ar5ses must be covered.

The true truth will now never be known.