The lunatic right

[basilio]

Is there any more info on the other two? It is strange that they all got caught up in it, one fruit loop maybe but three is a bit strange.

Really ? Just watching the effect of anti vaxxer propaganda on family members and friends in the past 2 years has been a reminder of how effective a decent conspiracy story can go,
Q Anon ? Ardent followers of infowars ?
Inevitably people seek out similar bedfellows. It seem as if the trio at Queensland were determined to make a last stand.

 

[basilio]

Now the media is reporting they were meth heads.

Online conspiracies don't turn people into crazy murderers. Drug use does. What police need to do is figure out who supplied them with meth, guns, and ammo and charge them with being accessories to murder.

Deranged conspiracy killers using ice and prepped for apocalypse

The conspiracy theorist gunmen who ambushed four cops and killed two them had spent years fortifying the home into a makeshift bunker to try to fend off an assault by police.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Try again please... These people had it seems long history of strong conviction in the conspiracy theories that have been relentlessly promoted. Getting hyped up on ice to face the last stand is just fortification.

Do you reckon soldiers go into battle calm and sober ? English sailers had their tots of rum before battle. Allied and German soldiers used amphetamines (speed) to keep them going and fighting victory

Online conspiracies are turning people into crazy murderers. Not necessarily everyone . Not necessarily right now. But on line radicalization whether done by Al Queda , Fundamental Muslims, The Oath Keepers, Q Anon, or others are changing peoples minds and behaviours towards violence and subversion.

 

[wayneL]

Yeah but @basilio many of the so called conspiracy theories about the Jab turned out to be true.

Some things are of course ridiculous, but here you are hereticizing(sic) anything you don't agree with.

Remember when the jabs don't work, don't stop transmission, you'll need perpetual boosters, extended lockdowns, government camps etc were all conspiracy theories?

Remember when Vax passports were a conspiracy theory.

How about digital IDs

How about social credit scores (gradually happening)

Hey Jack Dorsey and co waved off shadow banning as a conspiracy theory. That turned out to be true didn't it.

Nah, there is something else here. Some mental illness at the very least.

 

[moXJO]

Online conspiracies are turning people into crazy murderers. Not necessarily everyone . Not necessarily right now. But on line radicalization whether done by Al Queda , Fundamental Muslims, The Oath Keepers, Q Anon, or others are changing peoples minds and behaviours towards violence and subversion.

As crazy as the above sounds. It's something I've talked about. Once the right begins to engage then the consequences are often dire.

It wasn't "online conspiracies" that initially drove it. It was woke overreach. All the lies told about conservatives over the last few years and I can list a few such as:

Trump and Russian collusion.

The way Jordan Peterson was treated.

The lies about the vaccine "you won't catch covid" when it was a known fact that it didn't stop you from catching it.

Then lockdowns.

Twitter

There's so many real world things that happened that it directly fed into more conspiracies. It's a huge list of elitist totalitarianism that has driven a culture war.
A never ending cycle of leftist propaganda that is often pushed by those quick to point fingers when it all blows up. You are part of the problem.

In this case "ice" would explain a lot. I know a few addicts and they lose touch with reality if they go on a heavy bender. Using ice and being a conspiracy nut is a super bad combo.

To add the worst thing to do is enrage the right into action. I don't want to see the pendulum swing to far right either.

 

[SirRumpole]

As crazy as the above sounds. It's something I've talked about. Once the right begins to engage then the consequences are often dire.

It wasn't "online conspiracies" that initially drove it. It was woke overreach. All the lies told about conservatives over the last few years and I can list a few such as:

Trump and Russian collusion.

The way Jordan Peterson was treated.

The lies about the vaccine "you won't catch covid" when it was a known fact that it didn't stop you from catching it.

Then lockdowns.

Twitter

There's so many real world things that happened that it directly fed into more conspiracies. It's a huge list of elitist totalitarianism that has driven a culture war.
A never ending cycle of leftist propaganda that is often pushed by those quick to point fingers when it all blows up. You are part of the problem.

In this case "ice" would explain a lot. I know a few addicts and they lose touch with reality if they go on a heavy bender. Using ice and being a conspiracy nut is a super bad combo.

OK , so the lies about Hilary Clinton running a child abuse ring in a pizza parlour had no effect on the election ?

 

[The Triangle]

Try again please... These people had it seems long history of strong conviction in the conspiracy theories that have been relentlessly promoted. Getting hyped up on ice to face the last stand is just fortification.

Do you reckon soldiers go into battle calm and sober ? English sailers had their tots of rum before battle. Allied and German soldiers used amphetamines (speed) to keep them going and fighting victory

Online conspiracies are turning people into crazy murderers. Not necessarily everyone . Not necessarily right now. But on line radicalization whether done by Al Queda , Fundamental Muslims, The Oath Keepers, Q Anon, or others are changing peoples minds and behaviours towards violence and subversion.

Are you defending meth dealers and meth use?

 

[moXJO]

OK , so the lies about Hilary Clinton running a child abuse ring in a pizza parlour had no effect on the election ?

Did the fbi get used to the point it's now a political pawn of one side of the government?

You had agents admit they were working against Trump

We had the Russian collusion run across
The fbi
The media
And democrats ran sham impeachment

That's what bloody fed into it

She was also running an unofficial server. They smashed their hard drives with hammers so they couldn't get caught with sensitive info

 

[SirRumpole]

You had agents admit they were working against Trump

You mean they were doing their jobs and investigating allegations ?

 

[moXJO]

You mean they were doing their jobs and investigating allegations ?

Really? Low intelligence comment.

Why are they not doing their jobs in relation to Biden and alleged Ukraine corruption from the laptop?

I mean there's more supposed evidence there then a "pee pee dossier".

 

[SirRumpole]

Really? Low intelligence comment.

Why are they not doing their jobs in relation to Biden and alleged Ukraine corruption from the laptop?

I mean there's more supposed evidence there then a "pee pee dossier".

So provide some documentation of agents admitting they were working against Trump.

 

[moXJO]

So provide some documentation of agents admitting they were working against Trump.

I have multiple times in the Trump thread
Even a general worked against him and should have been done for treason.

 

[moXJO]

Just because you are probably lazy here's the message between the two fbi agents

[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right?” asked a top F.B.I. lawyer, Lisa Page, in one text. “Right?!”

Peter Strzok, the agent overseeing the F.B.I.’s investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia, answered, “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.”

 

[sptrawler]

As I've said over and over, saying left wing, or right wing loony just makes the problem worse.
They are all just loonies, as this incident is starting to show, two of them were teachers, it's a sad world we live in.

 

[SirRumpole]

Just because you are probably lazy here's the message between the two fbi agents

[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right?” asked a top F.B.I. lawyer, Lisa Page, in one text. “Right?!”

Peter Strzok, the agent overseeing the F.B.I.’s investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia, answered, “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it.”

Crossfire Hurricane (FBI investigation) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[basilio]

Are you defending meth dealers and meth use?

Rubbish.. Just saying, that in this case, the meth use was not the driver of the killing spree.
Meth is a fearsome drug with horrific consequences including random acts of violence and murder. Totally disastrous

But your attempt to deflect the causal basis for the killings, ie the deeply held conspiracy beliefs is just plain wrong.

And I don't appreciate your little slag at me "defending meth dealers and meth use" . Be nice.

 

[SirRumpole]

Crossfire Hurricane (FBI investigation) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What's so funny wayne ? Doesn't the article support your conspiracy theory ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Rubbish.. Just saying, that in this case, the meth use was not the driver of the killing spree.

We don't actually know that yet.

Meth use could make paranoia worse. I'm not sure we will ever know why they actually did it, although the wife of the principal might give a few ideas.

 

[sptrawler]

As I've said over and over, saying left wing, or right wing loony just makes the problem worse.
They are all just loonies, as this incident is starting to show, two of them were teachers, it's a sad world we live in.

I wonder if the three shooters had been tradies, union people, bikies etc, would the headlines already be "right wing militant loonies go on rampage"?
Also interesting in our local paper, apparently one of them ranted on social media about police kneeling on peoples necks.
The problem with society today is, people and their behaviour has to be pigeonholed to support the desired narrative, to keep the tribalism active.
Maybe if the majority just rallied together to condemn all bad behaviour as unacceptable, rather than to say some is acceptable, if it is for a cause that the media or those who have the stage agree with.
We would end up with a better world? it may not sell as many papers though, but it may stop some bad behaviour that is done to attract media attention?.
It will be interesting to see if these three loonies left any documentation behind that explains their actions, they were obviously intelligent educated people, to do a planned pre conceived action like this, one would expect them to have left behind some explanation as to their motive and reasoning.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe if the majority just rallied together to condemn all bad behaviour as unacceptable, rather than to say some is acceptable, if it is for a cause that the media or those who have the stage agree with.

That would obviously be ideal to condemn bad behaviour everywhere, but the motivations need to be discussed as well otherwise the whole thing could spin out of control.

Maybe the people had justified grievances that they felt couldn't be dealt with any other way in which case there is a need to provide some sort of outlet that doesn't constitute violence. This is where social media provides a sort of safety valve imo, but it appears that something extra drove them further, and maybe that was meth. The ex-principlal contacted Mark Latham apparently and tried to get something done about his concerns in a reasonable way so we know he was rational at that point at least.

If there were drugs involved then that's a pretty chilling prospect if others who are already a bit paranoid get onto it.

 

[sptrawler]

That would obviously be ideal to condemn bad behaviour everywhere, but the motivations need to be discussed as well otherwise the whole thing could spin out of control.

Maybe the people had justified grievances that they felt couldn't be dealt with any other way in which case there is a need to provide some sort of outlet that doesn't constitute violence. This is where social media provides a sort of safety valve imo, but it appears that something extra drove them further, and maybe that was meth. The ex-principlal contacted Mark Latham apparently and tried to get something done about his concerns in a reasonable way so we know he was rational at that point at least.

If there were drugs involved then that's a pretty chilling prospect if others who are already a bit paranoid get onto it.

Agreed, but as we have said in the past, isolating or shutting down people because no one wants to talk about their issue, just builds frustration and a sense of hopelessness which then can end in them either hurting themselves or striking out at others.
Once that person or persons have had their say and their issues aired then it should be reasonable to expect the person to abide by the outcome, at the moment due to the way things are done.
If the person or persons doesn't like the answer, outcome, or result, they crank it up a notch and glue themselves to roadway's, loot shops, burn people's cars. It isn't nuisance value it is a lack of respect for other people and the worth of other people's time and possessions.
Everyone now feels entitled to cause disruption to other peoples lives, if the change they want isn't happening fast enough, but the real issue is they are being given the impression it is acceptable behaviour as long as the cause is considered worthy and it is the media who decide which causes are worthy and are given sympathetic presentation and which causes are unworthy and are given negative press.
Just my two cents worth, but IMO society is rapidly losing its moral compass and sense of decency and that outcome appears to be actively pursued.
My rant for the week.