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Perspective ....

Alan Jones inciting violence at Cronulla riots is NOT FAR RIGHT compared to Pol Pot,

Bolt and his anti Immigration is compared to say Germany in 1938, a left wing idiot in comparison.

It is on topic, depending where your perspective of Right and Left is.

Fox news Trump from time to time bitterly complains about its reporting and calls it fake news or far right !



America ... Australia from some peoples perspective is only for White only, christian .... non gay people. Anyone else is a far left lunatic ...

This is relevant to this thread, perspective. If your a right wing hate filled idiot everyone is far left.

If your Bolt and someone took objection to his anti gay, anti aboriginal or anti immigrant views and said so, he is still crying about that one .... I do hope he eats at a restaurant where the chef can make a special dish for him with the right ingredients. In his case, what my view is ... or leaning will always be far right compared to his void .... Fraser Anning same thing ... Alan Jones .... to be on a PAR ... maybe one needs to be Pol Pot or Idi Amin or Saddam on a bad day where he was doing genocide.

I thankfully will be far left of such people and despite being right wing ... you fall far short of the ideals of the people mentioned you lefties !!

Embrace your intolerance and hate ...
 
kahuna1 said:
I prefer this ...

How weak minded have their views made toxic, their beliefs delusional and become stupid people.

Worth listening for those who clearly digest a lot of media.
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I'd speculate that realistically it applies to most of the population.

There's countless examples from the masses buying shares at the top through to all manner of dangerous or outright ridiculous things marketed as being safe and in some way desirable.

Then of course the big elephant in the room that few are willing to face - the impossibility of forever maintaining constant growth on a finite planet and the reality that even attempting to do so will absolutely trash the place as every possible resource is used up and turned to waste.

One of the smartest moves you can make as an investor is to not follow the herd but to instead engage in independent research and thinking. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
One of the smartest moves you can make as an investor is to not follow the herd but to instead engage in independent research and thinking. :2twocents
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I would fully disagree with you @Smurf, i have been in oz for 25plus years and investment wide, my mistakes have been not to follow the lemmings
Not buying overpriced unit 15y ago, not investing in a std industrial unit but going for a niche market, not investing in telstra shares( i was working in telco then and had a pretty accurate knowledge of the company real value), not buying more bitcoin you name it...
The recipe for success is to anticipate or join the lemmings early , and exit as early ...
Being right is useless
 
Two interesting and diverse approaches from leFrog and Smurf, I can see merit in both of them in different circumstances.

Certainly buy when others are selling if you see value in the stock, but riding things like speculative mining shares and tech co's can be pretty profitable if as froggy says you know when to exit.

So I'd say you are both right . :)
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'd speculate that realistically it applies to most of the population.
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Most definitely to me !! Being stupid that is ...

I m aware of how little I knew ... or thought I did or actually think I know right now.

Right ... left ... racist pus filled or delusional .... deny science ... hate another for their religion, color or sexual preference ...

I know I am likely no better than they whom I deem to look down upon or those who I admire and look upwards at.
 
Also smurf, I think it is only a matter of time before everyone calls out the left to come up with measurable and assessable answers to their arguments, at the moment they are an annoyance with their reactive ramblings.
It wont be long before someone say ffff it ok, what do you want, then they will become a blubbering pile of jello, because non of their ridiculous remedies are logical or achievable without social upheaval.
But they also want a social welfare blanket, so the least able to afford it can, when in reality most wont be able to afford their social agenda.
Intetesting times ahead, our industrialisation is heading to third world, our power is the most expensive and everyone says we dont give enough out .
I cant wait to see how it plays out, the first thing I would be demanding, is that all public service and politician pensions get converted to lump sum.
It would cost a bit but it would sort a lot of issues out Imo.
 
@sptrawler I'm interested in your view about converting politician pensions to lump sum.

Is there a benefit ?

As for "we don't give enough out", it's times like this when I think our $10b overseas aid budget should be more dynamic and subject to our own needs such as drought relief and fire fighting :2twocents
 
I just think you hear heaps from ex politicians eg Hewson, Keating, Turnbull, Brown etc, I think they would all have a lot more to worry about than being sad ghosts, if they werent on the indexed public teat.
As for giving out, well it is all fine and good, untill you are in a position where you cant give any more. Then you start and really iron out who really needs it.
Just my opinion.
As for is there a saving, well I would think so, otherwise they wouldnt have changed it for the plebs. Lol
What is an ex PM on? I heard $300,000 indexed to inflation from 50 on, beautifull put me down for that.
Makes you wonder why more lawyers arent politicians, oh sorry forgot, they are.lol
Anyway not my problem, Im in Yokahama ATM, waiting for a cruise, Silly Billy tought me the error of my ways. Lol
 
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qldfrog said:
I would fully disagree with you @Smurf, i have been in oz for 25plus years and investment wide, my mistakes have been not to follow the lemmings
Not buying overpriced unit 15y ago, not investing in a std industrial unit but going for a niche market, not investing in telstra shares( i was working in telco then and had a pretty accurate knowledge of the company real value), not buying more bitcoin you name it...
The recipe for success is to anticipate or join the lemmings early , and exit as early ...
Being right is useless
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I would argue that, if we take Bitcoin for example, the "mainstream" investor bought it when they heard about it on news.com.au and paid about $25,000 AUD. They are still holding it now at about half that price, safe in the knowledge that shares always go up (and blissfully unaware that Bitcoin isn't the same thing as a share).

Likewise they held their managed funds until the end of 2008 and sold out with the XJO around 3600. With so much bad news they decided it really wasn't a great time to be in shares. Now that it has almost doubled, they're thinking it might be safe to get back into shares and as "everyone knows", you can't time the market and there's no chance of picking the right stocks individually so they'll go with an index fund.

As I see it, your statement "The recipe for success is to anticipate or join the lemmings early , and exit as early ..." means you aren't one of the mainstream. If you were then you'd wait for the price to go up and then buy and sell once it has gone down again, you wouldn't try and be earlier than everyone else. :2twocents
 
Definitively not mainstream, but now realising success is based not on knowledge of the sciences, technology, or even historic trends, but on learning the psychology of the masses and surfing their wave, need to start early but not first adopter as too risky
Interesting as well as the masses in the share market are not the average joe in the street, it is mostly employees of finance companies: funds, supers, o/s and a mix of self funded and richer persons
So not dumb in iq, but nevertheless following obsolete economic models, affected by fear and greed and usually technically and scientifically illiterate
So where can you find your edge...
If you do not think like the masses, you do not get average results, but that can hurt too
 
wayneL said:
Note the difference in treatment between these people and someone like Blair Cottrell. Cottrell had been pretty well behaved when on TV and hasn't said anything as radical, yet gets castigated and deplatformed.

One might not like what he purportedly stands for (and I think there is a difference to what he actually stands for and what he purportedly stands for), but he has not incited violence, as far as I know, on any TV program he has appeared on.

And just so no one gets the wrong idea I am not a follower of Cottrell, but believe he deserves a fair hearing just like anyone else, except of course if there is an incutement to violence.
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Or Margaret Court. Just after the ABC had broadcast the rabid feminists saying they wanted to kill people and burn stuff, on the ABC radio breakfast show here in Melbourne they accused Margaret Court of hate speech because she doesn't agree with same sex marriage. So people advocating violence is allowed to go through to the keeper and someone who doesn't in any way advocate violence is supposed guilty of hate speech. The ABC is pathetic and so far up their own you know what they are totally oblivious to it.
 
qldfrog said:
As Basilio will point, abc is a saint and news corp evil
But the media is so left wing for anyone with a fair view that the following lpos is actually a news ltd journo
The left has no limit, no distortion of the truth is enough or jumping to conclusion fitting their view
At least the greens backed off
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...e/news-story/77cbbd720fb0807e127455a380a7b072
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That woman should go and volunteer to be a firefighter so she can go home and beat her man up (if she has one).
 
qldfrog said:
As Basilio will point, abc is a saint and news corp evil
But the media is so left wing for anyone with a fair view that the following lpos is actually a news ltd journo
The left has no limit, no distortion of the truth is enough or jumping to conclusion fitting their view
At least the greens backed off
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...e/news-story/77cbbd720fb0807e127455a380a7b072
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That was a really interesting story when you read through to the end.
I hadn't thought about it before but the absolute trauma emergency service workers could go through would have a PTSD effect on a number of them. The consequences of that could easily be acting out/violence/whatever. I was just thinking about some of the ambies I have known who have been affected.

The story made it clear that this is fact happened. I can understand people feeling tetchy about the observation and perhaps it should have been said in another way.
In fact of course the writer did qualify the statement heavily - but to no avail.

The post was inundated with vitriolic comments directed at Moody, however some agreed, with Lisa Love saying "this is an important conversation to have."

"All too often the brave emergency services people, who are absolute hero's walk away without adequate support. Many of them end up with ptsd," she wrote.

"It's not all of them and it's not limited to them, but it's a fact that after these catastrophic disasters the incidents of domestic violence rise significantly. If we can't talk about this then there will be no awareness and nothing will be done to help anyone."

Another commenter, Alison Mayer, recalled how her father developed a temper after helping defend homes on Ash Wednesday.

"It was like living on a volcano with no seismic monitoring equipment. His reactions were disproportionate, cruel, and baffling," she said.

"It was not until I began experiencing PTSD from Black Saturday that I began to imagine PTSD might have changed him."

Consider another totally obvious example. After the wars many men came home , our heroes, severely traumatised. The suicides, depressions, family abuse , alcohol abuse are well documented. There is little difference between their experience and some emergency services personnel.
 
basilio said:
That was a really interesting story when you read through to the end.
I hadn't thought about it before but the absolute trauma emergency service workers could go through would have a PTSD effect on a number of them. The consequences of that could easily be acting out/violence/whatever. I was just thinking about some of the ambies I have known who have been affected.

The story made it clear that this is fact happened. I can understand people feeling tetchy about the observation and perhaps it should have been said in another way.
In fact of course the writer did qualify the statement heavily - but to no avail.

The post was inundated with vitriolic comments directed at Moody, however some agreed, with Lisa Love saying "this is an important conversation to have."

"All too often the brave emergency services people, who are absolute hero's walk away without adequate support. Many of them end up with ptsd," she wrote.

"It's not all of them and it's not limited to them, but it's a fact that after these catastrophic disasters the incidents of domestic violence rise significantly. If we can't talk about this then there will be no awareness and nothing will be done to help anyone."

Another commenter, Alison Mayer, recalled how her father developed a temper after helping defend homes on Ash Wednesday.

"It was like living on a volcano with no seismic monitoring equipment. His reactions were disproportionate, cruel, and baffling," she said.

"It was not until I began experiencing PTSD from Black Saturday that I began to imagine PTSD might have changed him."

Consider another totally obvious example. After the wars many men came home , our heroes, severely traumatised. The suicides, depressions, family abuse , alcohol abuse are well documented. There is little difference between their experience and some emergency services personnel.
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I'm sorry, did you just compare someone who was paid to kill people, against someone who is paid to provide emergency services?

All of the above are tough jobs, much tougher than mine by a long shot - so I hold them in the highest regard. But anyone who is paid to kill is far more vulnerable to those mental issues you mentioned. Surely you can see that?
 

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