The lunatic left

[wayneL]

Also, I believe that the study quoted did not specifically mention firefighters just people who had been involved with firestorms. it was jumping the f****** shark to conflate the domestic violence with the actual firefighters.

Toxic.

 

[qldfrog]

Also, I believe that the study quoted did not specifically mention firefighters just people who had been involved with firestorms. it was jumping the f****** shark to conflate the domestic violence with the actual firefighters.

Toxic.

Exactly, that was my mention on twisting to fit view
Basically people loosing their home or at risk are edgy and domestic violence can flare, but firefighters were not mentioned..but nothing can stop a good male bashing story
Males can not be heros, or kind, or worth of becoming ceo..unless gay or maybe transgender of course

It is really incredible
As i said, at least the Greens backed off, but still this is the type of rubbish you vote for when voting far left..

 

[PZ99]

I think jumping the f****** shark is this strange compulsion to link any toxic comments with a political persuasion.

ie: Misandry = far left and misogyny = far right

That is w-a-a-a-a-y too simplistic but it partially demonstrates why the debate around SSM was nothing short of prepubescent

 

[wayneL]

I think jumping the f****** shark is this strange compulsion to link any toxic comments with a political persuasion.

ie: Misandry = far left and misogyny = far right

That is w-a-a-a-a-y too simplistic but it partially demonstrates why the debate around SSM was nothing short of prepubescent

Oh come on! The Greens would be at 0.5% (where they belong) if they didn't package up all the woke crap with the Maoist economics.

 

[basilio]

I'm sorry, did you just compare someone who was paid to kill people, against someone who is paid to provide emergency services?

All of the above are tough jobs, much tougher than mine by a long shot - so I hold them in the highest regard. But anyone who is paid to kill is far more vulnerable to those mental issues you mentioned. Surely you can see that?

Hang back mate. That's way over the top.
We don't define people people in the armed forces as "anyone paid to kill". Full stop.
In war time everyone with a pulse was drafted if they couldn't get some exemption. Not all were front line soldiers. Many were support. They were our parents, grand parents uncles and even aunts.
They defended our country. (Perhaps they also attacked other countries ?)

They saw horrors. Some killed other people. Many were injured physically and mentally.
Many came back totally traunmatized. Think shell shock, PTSD.

The traumas of war are echoed in the traumas of emergency service workers. Facing death, facing disaster, coping with the loss of friends , colleagues.The psychological consequences are similar.

The reality of domestic violence as one these consequences when people lash out is just that.

https://at-ease.dva.gov.au/professi...ice-book/12-impact-veterans-experiences-their

 

[PZ99]

Oh come on! The Greens would be at 0.5% (where they belong) if they didn't package up all the woke crap with the Maoist economics.

Who cares what the Greens hook up with? It has zip to do with the point.

It's the absence of logic used by the twitt/book devotees when they attach a political label to every event in the universe including race, sex, religion or in this case domestic violence.

Domestic violence, and the condemning thereof, is irrelevant to a political persuasion.

PS > I noticed that Sherele Moody has copped death threats for her comments.

Do we automatically assume that it's coming from the right given their recent record of violence ?

 

[Logique]

In respect of wildfire management, the Greens aren't the solution, they are the problem.

They are well aware that they get hammered after every fire season for their resistance to winter time fuel management burning. Solution, easy, get on the front foot with a media campaign to brainwash the public to the idea that climate change is the culprit.

So now its a regime of massively hot, ecologically damaging, fiscally crippling emergency bushfires based on the huge fuel loads.

To their credit WA have seen the light, and wound back the clock to the effective, less ecologically damaging, less financially crippling management practices of the 1970s and 80s.

It's not just the Greens who are to blame. Plenty who are in on the scam, from government agencies, to pollies, to media, to research academics.

Just how much do people think it costs to hire the fleet of helicopters and fixed wing water bombers that seem de rigeur at every bushfire nowadays?

 

[chiff]

In respect of wildfire management, the Greens aren't the solution, they are the problem.

They are well aware that they get hammered after every fire season for their resistance to winter time fuel management burning. Solution, easy, get on the front foot with a media campaign to brainwash the public to the idea that climate change is the culprit.

So now its a regime of massively hot, ecologically damaging, fiscally crippling emergency bushfires based on the huge fuel loads.

To their credit WA have seen the light, and wound back the clock to the effective, less ecologically damaging, less financially crippling management practices of the 1970s and 80s.

It's not just the Greens who are to blame. Plenty who are in on the scam, from government agencies, to pollies, to media, to research academics.

Just how much do people think it costs to hire the fleet of helicopters and fixed wing water bombers that seem de rigeur at every bushfire nowadays?

Do you think that climate change has a leading role in these wildfires?We were always taught, or informed, that in southern Australia fires invariably started in late summer ,usually from late January.And that they started after noon when the fuel had time to dry out.This seemed to hold true until the last few years.

 

[wayneL]

Do you think that climate change has a leading role in these wildfires?We were always taught, or informed, that in southern Australia fires invariably started in late summer ,usually from late January.And that they started after noon when the fuel had time to dry out.This seemed to hold true until the last few years.

Yeahbut... Green activists are seeing an advantage in starting them earlier

 

[Logique]

Do you think that climate change has a leading role in these wildfires?We were always taught, or informed, that in southern Australia fires invariably started in late summer ,usually from late January.And that they started after noon when the fuel had time to dry out.This seemed to hold true until the last few years.

I'm only saying, in Eastern Australia a severe bushfire season comes along every 15-20 years.

How damaging the season is, depends on a variety of factors, including weather patterns, ignition sources (eg lightning, farm machinery, motor bikes, arson), and fuel quantity and dryness.

But the least of these factors, is a fraction of a degree up or down, depending upon whether we de-industrialize Australia and make electricity more expensive. This is the essential dishonesty and opportunism of the Greens, and those old buffer retirees on the TV atm.

What those old buffer retirees on the TV are doing, is cottoning on to the 'Tuvalu method' for extracting guilt money for a pet cause. That is, give us more money or there'll be a climate catastrophe..

 

[chiff]

I'm only saying, in Eastern Australia a severe bushfire season comes along every 15-20 years.

How damaging the season is, depends on a variety of factors, including weather patterns, ignition sources (eg lightning, farm machinery, motor bikes, arson), and fuel quantity and dryness.

But the least of these factors, is a fraction of a degree up or down, depending upon whether we de-industrialize Australia and make electricity more expensive. This is the essential dishonesty and opportunism of the Greens, and those old buffer retirees on the TV atm.

What those old buffer retirees on the TV are doing, is cottoning on to the 'Tuvalu method' for extracting guilt money for a pet cause. That is, give us more money or there'll be a climate catastrophe..

I probably do not listen or watch enough because I do not know what the Greens are saying?

 

[SirRumpole]

I probably do not listen or watch enough because I do not know what the Greens are saying?

Neither do they !

 

[Smurf1976]

On the subject of busfires there's a few things of relevance I think.

Actual changes in the climate are one.

Year to year variation in the weather is another.

Changes in management practices driven by politics or the culture of litigation are another. 40 years ago if there was smoke then close the window. These days people see $$$ in their eyes and ponder if they can sue someone for burning off or whatever. Either that or there's a pile of paperwork to complete and by the time that's done the opportunity to burn off has passed.

The law of unintended consequences is another. For example councils have introduced all manner of restrictions on felling or even trimming trees in urban areas which didn't used to be the case. Now have a look at the data and for where I am at least it's pretty clear that the tree coverage across the municipality is going down not up, exactly what one would expect given the existence of laws which make any large tree a nightmare to deal with. Sure they discourage unnecessary felling but they also ensure that nobody plants new trees. So slowly but surely we end up with unsafe trees right next to houses which aren't allowed to be removed meanwhile nobody plants new trees in sensible places lest they become an unremovable liability.

Finally there's the media reporting with its constant sensationalism of even the most mundane thing. We're at the point where someone's clothes line falls over and the media reports it as a major structural collapse. Well technically it is a structural collapse yes but that's just getting a bit silly. It's not as though there haven't been fires previously and let's keep it in perspective. 4 deaths thus far from the current fires in NSW versus 173 dead from the Black Saturday fires in Victoria in 2009, 75 deaths across Victoria and SA from the Ash Wednesday fires of 1983 and 62 deaths in the Tasmanian fire disaster of 1967 with those three disasters each unfolding in a matter of hours. Listening to the media reports though, you could be excused for thinking the current situation was the worst disaster in Australian history.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's not as though there haven't been fires previously and let's keep it in perspective. 4 deaths thus far from the current fires in NSW versus 173 dead from the Black Saturday fires in Victoria in 2009, 75 deaths across Victoria and SA from the Ash Wednesday fires of 1983 and 62 deaths in the Tasmanian fire disaster of 1967 with those three disasters each unfolding in a matter of hours. Listening to the media reports though, you could be excused for thinking the current situation was the worst disaster in Australian history.

Well, the other side is that the fires are across 3 States with WA being the latest affected, so while thankfully the death toll has reduced from those you mentioned the fires are more widespread. Your point about weather vs climate is a good one though, when does one run into the other ?

I'd say probably after about three years if the trend continues or worsens then we can say it's not just weather. I think that point has been reached.

 

[Value Collector]

I'm sorry, did you just compare someone who was paid to kill people, against someone who is paid to provide emergency services?

All of the above are tough jobs, much tougher than mine by a long shot - so I hold them in the highest regard. But anyone who is paid to kill is far more vulnerable to those mental issues you mentioned. Surely you can see that?

do you really think PTSD is limited to people who are paid to kill people?

it’s not that simple at all, I have several mates that deal with ptsd to varying degrees who never had to kill people, but who’s jobs involved searching for IEDs, prolonged stress and pressure of trying to save people can be even more stressful that killing some one.

 

[Humid]

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/unc...249549293&mc_cid=8513b863fc&mc_eid=3ecbe70661

 

[Smurf1976]

Well, the other side is that the fires are across 3 States with WA being the latest affected, so while thankfully the death toll has reduced from those you mentioned the fires are more widespread.

I'm not suggesting that it isn't a bad situation, just that there's more to it than any one factor.

Eg how the media reports it is one thing that will change over time. What people perceive as "too dangerous to stay" is another that will have changed over time. How well houses are prepared for fire is another as is burning off and so on. Then things like is the fire somewhere near water or not? That will affect the ability to deal with it. etc.

So I'm seeing that it's one of those things where a direct "apples with apples" comparison is difficult given the number of factors involved. It's hard to isolate the different factors and say what's due to this one and what's due to that one?

 

[SirRumpole]

do you really think PTSD is limited to people who are paid to kill people?

it’s not that simple at all, I have several mates that deal with ptsd to varying degrees who never had to kill people, but who’s jobs involved searching for IEDs, prolonged stress and pressure of trying to save people can be even more stressful that killing some one.

Apparently cancer specialists have one of the highest rates of ptsd among the professionals. Having people rely on them to save their lives and not being able to do so in some cases even though they have success in others would knaw away at those who care about what they are doing.

 

[qldfrog]

I think jumping the f****** shark is this strange compulsion to link any toxic comments with a political persuasion.

ie: Misandry = far left and misogyny = far right

That is w-a-a-a-a-y too simplistic but it partially demonstrates why the debate around SSM was nothing short of prepubescent

Much appreciate being pointed out as a complete idiot to hint that a lady doing male bashing running her DV agenda in a released speech next to a green leader can be assumed as left wing
Sorry she is probably voting LNP or one nation.after all, she is a news limited journo.
My apologies to all NOT.. disappointed @PZ99

 

[Logique]

I reached the same conclusion. Actually more and more women are volunteering in fire brigades. I wonder if that lady thinks their husbands ought to tremble when the wives get home from the fire front