The Gillard Government

[medicowallet]

That would be a double handout?

or a 2 x female couple would get umpteen weeks each...

Or

I can see Penny jumping up and down wanting the 2 weeks payment.


I think that maternity/paternity leave is fine, if other handouts are stopped eg baby bonus. I would much prefer to see mum and dad have to stay at home, and enjoy their baby as opposed to getting the plasma and putting the baby into daycare from day 2.

 

[Happy]

I have never understood why I have to contribute to the life choices of other people via tax, medicare, levies et cetera.

Yes this boggles me too.

All of the sudden everything is everybody elses problem, be it drink-driving, crime, children or in one word RESPONSIBILITY!

 

[Julia]

I think that maternity/paternity leave is fine, if other handouts are stopped eg baby bonus. I would much prefer to see mum and dad have to stay at home, and enjoy their baby as opposed to getting the plasma and putting the baby into daycare from day 2.

Yes, agree about the leave being preferable to lump sum baby bonus, though I'd still prefer that people who wanted to have children should do so on the basis that they are prepared to pay for them and not expect society at large to do so.

Yes this boggles me too.

All of the sudden everything is everybody elses problem, be it drink-driving, crime, children or in one word RESPONSIBILITY!

And I believe there's another insidious process at work in this also, in that the more the taxpayer picks up the tab for individual choices, the greater the tendency for people to lose any sense of personal responsibility. Ultimately - and we can see this happening already - there exists a sense of entitlement which does not include having to actually do anything on a personal basis.

 

[noco]

There will be a new poll out tomorrow and if Labor's primary vote is down to 25%, I would say Gillard will be repaced before the next sitting of parliament.



http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-losing-its-head-20110903-1jrm0.html#ixzz1WvAHteSp

 

[Logique]

But there's more;
"Dads and same-sex couples to receive two weeks' parental leave from January 2013." I suppose this is to appease Penny Wong.

Difficult to introduce same sex couples parental leave...what to do...ah that's it, fathers and same sex couples will get two weeks...ha ha, nobody will notice the second bit. Announce it on Fathers Day.

And like the carbon tax, the main aim is to get it in, then increase it gradually by stealth.

On rolls the social engineering agenda. We've moaned at length about the carbon tax, but there is something far more insidious at work here, as in Julia's post above. Our core values are being undermined, employing very underhanded tactics.

 

[sptrawler]

Difficult to introduce same sex couples parental leave...what to do...ah that's it, fathers and same sex couples will get two weeks...ha ha, nobody will notice the second bit. Announce it on Fathers Day.

And like the carbon tax, the main aim is to get it in, then increase it gradually by stealth.

On rolls the social engineering agenda. We've moaned at length about the carbon tax, but there is something far more insidious at work here, as in Julia's post above. Our core values are being undermined, employing very underhanded tactics.

They are just further allienating themselves from mainstream beliefs. The polls will reflect a continuing disenchantment with them putting further presure on their unity.
Not all in the Labor party are fools, are they?

 

[joea]

There will be a new poll out tomorrow and if Labor's primary vote is down to 25%, I would say Gillard will be repaced before the next sitting of parliament.



http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-losing-its-head-20110903-1jrm0.html#ixzz1WvAHteSp

noco
I was told today that Bligh will go to an election before Christmas to get away from the smell of the Federal Labor government.
If this is true, then she must think she has a better chance before Christmas or before Newman gets properly organised.

What I was told was the "state government officals were told to start cleaning out their desks".
joea

 

[medicowallet]

Yes, agree about the leave being preferable to lump sum baby bonus, though I'd still prefer that people who wanted to have children should do so on the basis that they are prepared to pay for them and not expect society at large to do so.

I just think that in general, middle class welfare has gotten out of control, sure, a $6k handout to take a few weeks off, and buy some essentials, but FTB A, FTB B, Parenting payment etc just puts pressures onto society by driving up inflation.

Times are different to when I was younger, and the BB equivalent is a small price to pay imo to help someone keep their job, and provide the essentials (well that is the way it is supposed to work anyway )

 

[sptrawler]

It is really starting to get serious. This isn't from the Australian.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/labor-woeful-on-economic-reform-says-argus-20110905-1jucc.html

and this
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...a-youre-breaking-my-heart-20110905-1ju4f.html
and this
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-boat-people-policy-again-20110904-1jsh6.html

I think there should be an inquiry into the Age how dare they run this sort of stuff.

 

[sptrawler]

I think we talked about this awhile ago and said Barnett wasn't stupid.LOL

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/ofarrell-to-raise-mining-royalties-20110905-1jubr.html

This is really starting to unravel.

 

[sails]

Thanks for the links sptrawler...

There is a poll on this one: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-people-policy-again-20110904-1jsh6.html#poll

Results so far:

Poll: Should Julia Gillard accept Tony Abbott's offer to work together to re-open offshore processing centres?

Yes.... 65%
No..... 35%

Total votes: 10,450.

Poll closes in 7 hours.

 

[joea]

Punters have the betting on Steven Smith from $7.0 to $4.90 for PM.
joea

 

[Logique]

It is really starting to get serious. This isn't from the Australian. http://www.theage.com.au/national/labor-woeful-on-economic-reform-says-argus-20110905-1jucc.html and this http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...a-youre-breaking-my-heart-20110905-1ju4f.html and this http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-boat-people-policy-again-20110904-1jsh6.html

Thanks sptrawler. I keep picturing Charlie Sheen in the patrol boat, Marlon Brando waiting in the shadows. Even the jungle wanted him gone. Great Coppola movie that, nice sound track too.

 

[Happy]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-06/rudd-preferred-labor-leader/2872424

…
Newspoll has Julia Gillard's personal support hitting a new low of just 23 per cent.
…

Well, how low can it go?

 

[drsmith]

So toast,

Soooo toast.

 

[dutchie]

Juliar is going nowhere.

She says “I’m the best person to do this job*.”

I agree that she is the best Labor has to do this "job".

* The job is to bring the Australian economy and society to its knees.

Go Juliar ! (I mean please go)

 

[sptrawler]

I tend to agree with her, she is definately the best Labor has to offer, a bit like Abbott is the best Liberal have.
It is a sad indictment of how bad things are.
Even Ms Mackew who toppled Howard threw in the towel after 3 years. However she probably achieved what she was parachuted in for.

 

[Logique]

Bit off topic, but one of the perverse pleasures of an up day on markets is tuning in to Fran and the collective at Radio National, having to annnounce that there's still life in that darned capitalism.

I missed ABC TV 'At Home With Julia' last night, what did people think of it?

 

[Calliope]

Bit off topic, but one of the perverse pleasures of an up day on markets is tuning in to Fran and the collective at Radio National, having to annnounce that there's still life in that darned capitalism.

I missed ABC TV 'At Home With Julia' last night, what did people think of it?

It's a sort of Kath and Tim. Julia comes across as a sympathetic figure with a nasal voice and a padded rump and she walks like a duck. Her attire is spot on.

There is no hint of her nasty side. Overall it is mildly amusing, but worth watching.

 

[Calliope]

Should Australia withdraw from the United Nations Refugee Convention?

As a result of the High Court's decision last week in M70 v Minister for Immigration, 4000 refugees in Malaysia will miss out on entering Australia. It will also reap a political blowback when the public understand the magnitude of how the intent of the Parliament has been subverted in the courts.
The legal quagmire in which the federal government and the courts are stuck could be escaped at a single stroke. The root cause is the United Nations, the majority of whose members are not democracies, and specifically Australia's signature on the United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.
Australia should withdraw from the convention, citing its increasing unworkability, impossibly loose language and unlimited impositions. An entire theatre of ideological lawfare would be laid to waste, and after changes to the Migration Act to pre-empt such lawfare, Australian democracy, security and sovereignty would be strengthened.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...un-policies-20110907-1jxr3.html#ixzz1XLRGrTaH

Poll: Should Australia withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention?

Yes: 61%

No: 39%

Poll closes in 17 hours.
Disclaimer:
These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participation

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...un-policies-20110907-1jxr3.html#ixzz1XLPqbZ1H