The Gillard Government

[IFocus]

Because that would be the pot calling the kettle black. :

Richo is pedigree NSW Right I always found him interesting but never a fan but in politics he was well known to stab you though the chest while looking one in the eye never through the back.

However credibility would always be his stabbing block.

 

[Logique]

Very interesting article by Peter Van Onselen. And that hypothetical meeting with Sen Bob Brown would be worth the price of admission.

Labor should take the risk and dump Gillard By Peter van Onselen, Contributing editor From: The Australian August 27, 2011 https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa...1u2nDA&usg=AFQjCNFVgz6PT8nDeTcuQro7TN4JEYa13A

"...If, however, Labor wishes to give itself a positive chance of improving its polling quagmire and exploiting the greatest weakness on the Coalition side - Tony Abbott's unpopularity - it must seriously consider replacing the deeply unpopular Gillard...

...Under such a scenario the new leader should be West Australian Stephen Smith. Rudd is a more popular figure and probably has more chance of winning the next election, but there is no way his Labor colleagues would have him back, certainly not now...

...Smith could declare that while he believes an emissions trading scheme is in the nation's best interests, he is going to take Abbott up on his idea of a plebiscite to determine the issue....Smith should tell Greens leader Bob Brown that if he doesn't like this course of action he should go ahead and force an early election, which would install Abbott in the prime ministership...

Talking to Liberals, they fear a change of leader exercised in the right way. Some of Abbott's closest supporters worry a fresh face would contrast with an unpopular Opposition Leader. They want Gillard as their opponent at the next election.

Why wouldn't they? She is the most unpopular Prime Minister in our history."

 

[joea]

Very interesting article by Peter Van Onselen. And that hypothetical meeting with Sen Bob Brown would be worth the price of admission.

Labor should take the risk and dump Gillard By Peter van Onselen, Contributing editor From: The Australian August 27, 2011 https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa...1u2nDA&usg=AFQjCNFVgz6PT8nDeTcuQro7TN4JEYa13A

"...If, however, Labor wishes to give itself a positive chance of improving its polling quagmire and exploiting the greatest weakness on the Coalition side - Tony Abbott's unpopularity - it must seriously consider replacing the deeply unpopular Gillard...

...Under such a scenario the new leader should be West Australian Stephen Smith. Rudd is a more popular figure and probably has more chance of winning the next election, but there is no way his Labor colleagues would have him back, certainly not now...

...Smith could declare that while he believes an emissions trading scheme is in the nation's best interests, he is going to take Abbott up on his idea of a plebiscite to determine the issue....Smith should tell Greens leader Bob Brown that if he doesn't like this course of action he should go ahead and force an early election, which would install Abbott in the prime ministership...

Talking to Liberals, they fear a change of leader exercised in the right way. Some of Abbott's closest supporters worry a fresh face would contrast with an unpopular Opposition Leader. They want Gillard as their opponent at the next election.

Why wouldn't they? She is the most unpopular Prime Minister in our history."

Well I have read the article and more.
I think Peter is attemping to do two things.
Give people another option to see if Labor can continue to the next election.
Put words into people's mouth to start the chatter.

This will allow him to get feedback through the Australian article by comments.

What do I think?. I think that just a new leader will not solve the problem.
The financial mismanagement of this government is not to be forgotten for some time.

I also respect Smith as one of their best performers. However if I was Smith, and given the opportunity to be PM, I would do a reshuffle and Swan would be out the back door.
Because with Swan as treasurer Smith would not have a hope.
joea

 

[startrader]

I think that this Gillard government is finished and it is highly unlikely that they will make it to the next election without imploding. If it's not the Thomson affair it will be something else. They are just a disaster and are lurching from one mess to the next.

Just remember: there's never just one cockroach!

 

[noco]

I think that this Gillard government is finished and it is highly unlikely that they will make it to the next election without imploding. If it's not the Thomson affair it will be something else. They are just a disaster and are lurching from one mess to the next.

Just remember: there's never just one cockroach!

That something else could be closer than you think.

It looks like Bob Hawke was spot on when he said in the first week of June 2011, "Julia Gillard will be gone in 3 months".

He obviously has known something that is about to be revealed.

An election before Xmas? It may well be.



http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...n_something_that_may_force_gillard_to_resign/

 

[Logique]

...What do I think? I think that just a new leader will not solve the problem.
joea

Joea, in cold political analysis, I think Van Onselen is on the money. But you are correct to say that the problems go deeper than just the leadership, as the Thomson affair demonstrates.

 

[sptrawler]

The independents are starting to gag and throw mud, it's all starting to look like a shipwreck.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-day-abbott-bared-his-soul-20110827-1jfgv.html

 

[sails]

The independents are starting to gag and throw mud, it's all starting to look like a shipwreck.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-day-abbott-bared-his-soul-20110827-1jfgv.html

Yes, it's pathetic when the only mud they can throw is a comment said in jest a year ago and try to turn it into something sinister. Windsor admits it was said as a joke - probably just a bit of Aussie humour on Abbott's part.

But to raise this a year later is poor taste given the seriousness of the Thomson allegations, imo.

And I would say Gillard has shown far more desperation to be in power at all costs than Abbott ever did. The article is clearly clutching at straws, imo.

Windsor must be feeling the heat...

 

[sptrawler]

Yes, I wonder if Brown and Gillard will be asking for inquiry into the S.M.H and the Age for biased reporting? DON'T THINK SO.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Windsor must be feeling the heat...

I wonder if he is stocking up on outback maps & provisions for his impending banishment into the political wilderness (read - next election).

Lassiter's Reef sounds a nice spot....

 

[Aussiejeff]

KEVIN Rudd would be Labor's sole MP in Queensland if an election was held today, according to a new opinion poll.

Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan would be among those swept from office if, as the exclusive Galaxy Poll finds, the ALP's Lower House seats tally in Queensland plunged from seven to one.

Wider ramifications for the Gillard Government are stark - its worst states could deliver enough seats on their own for a Coalition victory.

Most recent polls show Victoria is the only state where Labor is ahead on the two-party vote.

Today's Galaxy Poll in The Courier Mail confirms the Government would be wiped out no matter what happens in Prime Minister Julia Gillard's home state.

Labor's Queensland primary vote has collapsed to 23 per cent - a more than 10 percentage point slump since last year's August 21 election.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/gi...aster-poll-shows/story-fn6bfkm6-1226124021182

Bring it on!!! :angry:

 

[Calliope]

Bring it on!!! :angry:

Yes indeed!

the lurid scandal surrounding Craig Thomson has shone a searchlight back onto the corrupt and self-serving culture within the union movement. That Gillard, Windsor, Oakeshott, the Labor Party, the union machine and even Fair Work Australia, through its inertia, have all served to protect Thomson will merely underline this government's illegitimacy in the mind of the electorate which, if given a chance, would throw them all out of office.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...to-oblivion-20110828-1jgau.html#ixzz1WN3tH6Ej

 

[Calliope]

As long as Craig Thomson sits smirking in parliament the stench of the Gillard government will never go away. The first Labor man to put his hand up to give this low life the boot will be the next leader of a depleted team. It would have to be someone with a safe seat and a desire for revenge. Rudd fits the bill.

 

[noco]

As long as Craig Thomson sits smirking in parliament the stench of the Gillard government will never go away. The first Labor man to put his hand up to give this low life the boot will be the next leader of a depleted team. It would have to be someone with a safe seat and a desire for revenge. Rudd fits the bill.

Gillard is doing the LIMBO ROCK. How looooow can she go?


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...put-labor-in-red/story-e6frerdf-1226124008753

 

[sptrawler]

Labor is going to save a fortune on how to vote leaflets, nobody will want one.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Labor is going to save a fortune on how to vote leaflets, nobody will want one.

Apparently they make excellent fire lighters....

 

[Logique]

Gillard is doing the LIMBO ROCK. How looooow can she go?


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...put-labor-in-red/story-e6frerdf-1226124008753

Labor at 23% primary in QLD. If this was a bout the referee would stop it on a mercy rule. Or at least the handlers would throw in the towel.

 

[joea]

Labor at 23% primary in QLD. If this was a bout the referee would stop it on a mercy rule. Or at least the handlers would throw in the towel.

Well I think that is the best comment I have read that covers this present situation.
joea LOL

 

[noco]

Labor at 23% primary in QLD. If this was a bout the referee would stop it on a mercy rule. Or at least the handlers would throw in the towel.

I reackon Labors only chance to gain some ground and credibility is to sack Gillard and throw out the Carbon tax.

Tony Abbott would have to perform well if it happens otherwise he might also fall.

 

[sptrawler]

I reackon Labors only chance to gain some ground and credibility is to sack Gillard and throw out the Carbon tax.

Tony Abbott would have to perform well if it happens otherwise he might also fall.

I disagree noco.
If they throw out Gillard they will all look like a bunch of d!!ks for putting her in and if they throw out the carbon tax, they will look like they are panicking.
Unfortunatelly they are painted into a corner, if they stay their popularity is likely to keep falling, believe it or not.
The only chance for Gillard to gain some credibility is to call Abbott's bluff and call an election due to the untenable position the Greens have put her in.
Then she can pick up the votes of people who voted greens and now wish they hadn't.
Also there is still a large anti Abbott vote which she would pick up.
The longer she waits the bigger the mountain gets.