That's his intention. Three's a crowd when it comes to major parties.In the Australian, Bob Brown states that the Greens will overtake the ALP eventually.
The senate can block supply with a majority as it happened with Whitlam in 1975, but I can't see the Greens siding with the coalition senators on that one.
If it ever comes to a double disollution, it will wipe the smile of Brown's face.
As the placard said:
If it's Brown, flush it down.
The senate can block supply with a majority as it happened with Whitlam in 1975, but I can't see the Greens siding with the coalition senators on that one.
Yes, I understand that. My point is rather that the Greens, Independents, and Labor are all going to keep supporting one another - regardless of what compromises they may have to make to this end - because to do otherwise would be to invite a wipe-out of most of them, such is the level of public disquiet.Julia
What I mean is, if Brown gets out of hand, the Gov plus opposition can join together.
After all Gillard must have some sense left. "surely"
As the placard said:
If it's Brown, flush it down.
Yes, I understand that. My point is rather that the Greens, Independents, and Labor are all going to keep supporting one another - regardless of what compromises they may have to make to this end - because to do otherwise would be to invite a wipe-out of most of them, such is the level of public disquiet.
So, in the face of this, it's hard to know what the Opposition can do to force a double dissolution election.
Undoubtedly there are some forum members more up with the Constitution than I am, who may have some suggestions here?
It will take 2 elections to get the Greens out of the Senate I may be wrong the last election was not a half senate election but a full one
It will take 2 elections to get the Greens out of the Senate I may be wrong the last election was not a half senate election but a full one
Pretty sure it was a half senate election. It will be interesting to see how much the media shine the torch on green policies for voters to get a better idea of their policies and then decide if the majority accept or reject them.
We know Gillard HAS to call an election within two years, and if opinion polls continue with the current trend (and quite possible as it seems incompentency is the real culprit) - the Coalition will be in power. Any nonsense from Brown and it will be back to the polls with a double dissolution and the majority of voters may woken up to what the greens want to do to our economy. So, Brown will also have his wings clipped to a degree as they won't want to be wiped out as happened to the democrats.
The real worry is that, until the next election, Gillard won't want to call a double dissolution because she knows labor would be a gonner. So I suspect there will be a fair bit of push and shove from both of them. We are in interesting times.
Yep, definitely half senate. Following is background to Senate composition etc.Pretty sure it was a half senate election.
Normally, senators are elected at the same time as members of the House of Representatives, but because their terms do not coincide, the new Parliament will for some time comprise a new House of Representatives and a substantially old, lame-duck Senate.
Slightly more than half of the Senate is contested at each general election (half of the 72 state senators, and all four of the territory senators), along with the entire House of Representatives. State senators are normally elected for fixed terms of six years, commencing on 1 July following the election, and ceasing on 30 June six years later.
The terms of the four senators from the territories are not fixed, but are defined by the dates of the general elections for the House of Representatives, the period between which can vary greatly, to a maximum of three years and three months. Territory senators commence their terms on the day that they are elected. Their terms expire the day prior to the following general election day.[4]
Following a double dissolution, all 76 senators face re-election. There have also been elections at which only half the Senate was up for election. The last time this occurred was on 21 November 1970.
Yes, it's about time some scrutiny was applied to the Greens. I've attempted to prod "The Australian" in this respect by emailing Dennis Shanahan with such a request.It will be interesting to see how much the media shine the torch on green policies for voters to get a better idea of their policies and then decide if the majority accept or reject them.
Ah, what a lovely fantasy is a double dissolution. I can't see it being allowed to happen prior to the due date for the next election, but I guess we can hope.We know Gillard HAS to call an election within two years, and if opinion polls continue with the current trend (and quite possible as it seems incompentency is the real culprit) - the Coalition will be in power. Any nonsense from Brown and it will be back to the polls with a double dissolution and the majority of voters may woken up to what the greens want to do to our economy. So, Brown will also have his wings clipped to a degree as they won't want to be wiped out as happened to the democrats.
The real worry is that, until the next election, Gillard won't want to call a double dissolution because she knows labor would be a gonner. So I suspect there will be a fair bit of push and shove from both of them. We are in interesting times.
...Ah, what a lovely fantasy is a double dissolution. I can't see it being allowed to happen prior to the due date for the next election, but I guess we can hope.
Agree it's most unlikely this side of an election as it would be political suicide for Gillard to call one, but quite possible once the coalition are back in government.
Also, if labor does manage to stay in power until 2013, there would be another half senate election and, if there is a strong push away from labor and greens, it would be interesting to see whether the greens could be at risk of losing their balance of power. I don't know the numbers of the parties within the senate without doing some research. Does anyone know?
There are a total of 76 Senators: 12 for each State and two for each Territory. Senators for each State are elected for a six year term. Senators for each Territory are elected for a term equivalent to the duration of the House of Representatives. Forty Senate vacancies are contested at a half-Senate election.
The Greens now hold nine of the 76 seats.
The rest of the Senate is comprised of 31 Labor members, 29 Liberals, five Nationals, one independent and one senator from the Democratic Labor Party.
Certainly no encouragement there for the government.The train wreck continues to accelerate downhill.
http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/essential-report/
66% of Labor voters think the economy is heading in the right direction. Only 49% of Green voters do, inference - they want the wick turned up even further. We see that 95% of Green voters think their senate majority will be good for Australia, and 44% of Labor voters (vs the 29% who think bad).The train wreck continues to accelerate downhill. http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/essential-report/
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