The Gillard Government

[Calliope]

The scope is immense. As Ms Gillard protects her job by accepting any and all direction from the newly powerful Greens, no industry will be safe unless it's engaged in producing feelgood green things which - if the record so far is any guide - will be shown to be anything but cost-effective.

The Brown/Gillard aim to destroy Australian industries is going to plan. This could not be happening just by incompetent government. With Brown's hand on the helm Labor seems helpless to do anything positive.

 

[DB008]

lol what industry will get the 'Gillard touch' next?

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion....except, that car, is our country. l'm ashamed to call myself Australian at the moment.

 

[trainspotter]

The end is nigh ! Run for the hills.

Brown has made it clear that the Greens have a detailed agenda, and among its priorities is the protection of the minority Labor government of Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

Brown has made clear his Greens will not back any Coalition moves to break up the Government and force an election.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/the-end-of-the-parliamentary-world-as-we-know-it/

 

[noco]

Haven't I been quoting for weeks what this GREEN/LABOR SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT is up to and they are succeeding in destroying one industry after another.

So why have certain ASF members branded me as rediculous?

Gillard and Brown's ideology is to nationalize mining, farming, banks and manufacturing and they are progressively doing it, and so far are getting away with it.

There is a lot of anger in the public at the moment and there is very little anyone can do about it and they know it.

What have we got to do? Start rioting in the streets? No that is not the Australian way.

How can we bring these idiots to the polls before they stuff up this once great country of ours?


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...l/comments/destroying_one_industry_at_a_time/

 

[Julia]

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion....except, that car, is our country. l'm ashamed to call myself Australian at the moment.

I understand how you feel. Personally, I feel depressed and helpless.

How does a Vote of No Confidence work? Presumably if the opposition were to make such a move in an attempt to force an election, the combined disagreement with the motion of the government and the Greens/Independents would ensure it wasn't carried?

So, truly nothing anyone can do?

 

[trainspotter]

I understand how you feel. Personally, I feel depressed and helpless.

How does a Vote of No Confidence work? Presumably if the opposition were to make such a move in an attempt to force an election, the combined disagreement with the motion of the government and the Greens/Independents would ensure it wasn't carried?

So, truly nothing anyone can do?

From my previous post "Brown has made it clear his Greens will not back any Coalition moves to break up the Government and force an election."

I think Bigukraine mentioned a Triangulation Turkey Shoot in another thread. Has merit IMO.

 

[noco]

I understand how you feel. Personally, I feel depressed and helpless.

How does a Vote of No Confidence work? Presumably if the opposition were to make such a move in an attempt to force an election, the combined disagreement with the motion of the government and the Greens/Independents would ensure it wasn't carried?

So, truly nothing anyone can do?

Julia, I am begining to wonder whether this Prime Minister of ours is not committing an act of treason. She and Brown are actually treating the Australian constitution with contempt.

They are preventing freedom of speech.

They are doing their level best to control the media.

They are going all out to counter democracy.

They are destroying industry one by one and very blatant about it.

Gillard has banned statements to the media by ministers and back benches until they have been veted by her.

Every Labor member of parliament are each given set lines of propapganda each day.

Gillard has lied to voters and parliament on numerous occassions and in particular in relation to the carbon dioxide tax.

I don't know why the opposition has not considered this and taken the issue to the highest court.

 

[noco]

From my previous post "Brown has made it clear his Greens will not back any Coalition moves to break up the Government and force an election."

I think Bigukraine mentioned a Triangulation Turkey Shoot in another thread. Has merit IMO.

If this disfunctional government did happen to fall through one means or another and Abbott became Prime Minister with a hostile Green dominated Senate, he could hold the gun at Brown's head with a threat of a double dissolution if the Greens did not toe the line.

I'm sure Brown would certainly not want a double dissolution of both houses because he and the Greens would be annihilated

 

[todster]

If this disfunctional government did happen to fall through one means or another and Abbott became Prime Minister with a hostile Green dominated Senate, he could hold the gun at Brown's head with a threat of a double dissolution if the Greens did not toe the line.

I'm sure Brown would certainly not want a double dissolution of both houses because he and the Greens would be annihilated

The greens polled 13%in he senate and will now have 12% of senators short plane trip to NZ if you dont like it

 

[todster]

The greens polled 13%in he senate and will now have 12% of senators short plane trip to NZ if you dont like it

Say hello to Waynal

 

[joea]

I understand how you feel. Personally, I feel depressed and helpless.

How does a Vote of No Confidence work? Presumably if the opposition were to make such a move in an attempt to force an election, the combined disagreement with the motion of the government and the Greens/Independents would ensure it wasn't carried?

So, truly nothing anyone can do?

Julia
Abbott has not got the numbers in a vote of no confidence. The votes he requires are held by people in fear of their political future.
Tony Windsor is busy buying $5.9 million of agriculture land. So he knows where his future is.
In the Australian, Bob Brown states that the Greens will overtake the ALP eventually.
To bring down the government I think Abbott has to block supply.

We are in a bad state of affairs now. It appears that the Liberal states a forming are united front, but as yet I do not know what they can achieve.

I think if it goes to an election, there will be a "hell" of a shake out.
joea

 

[joea]

Julia
If you google " 50 Labor Lemons " you will get a list of the labor policies that the liberals have compiled.
joea

 

[sails]

The greens polled 13%in he senate and will now have 12% of senators short plane trip to NZ if you dont like it

"polled" = past tense

Future polling remains to be seen for the greens. It seems they did well from protest votes in 2010 and are still polling OK in the opinion polls - which are also likely to be propped up somewhat by those who don't like the two major parties. However, the greens have been in a relatively dark, but seemingly warm and fuzzy, corner better known for their tree hugging and saving whales. To some, they seem harmless enough to use as a protest vote.

However, it will be interesting to see how they will fare in the polls as their green policies are brought out into the open and are scrutinised by both media and public.

Aussie voters historically punish minorities that have the balance of power to push their own agendas. The greens are grinning like cheshire cats now, but they are only a double dissolution away from annihilation so they will need to watch their Ps and Qs...

 

[Calliope]

Julia
If you google " 50 Labor Lemons " you will get a list of the labor policies that the liberals have compiled.
joea

It depends on from what perspective you look at it. As the Green/Labor agenda is to turn this country into another Greece, you could say that they would rate those 50 Labor Lemons as successes. It's no wonder Bob Brown can't stop laughing. There are plenty more Green/Labor Lemons to come.

BOB Brown has a vision of the Australian Greens supplanting Labor as one of Australia's mainstream political parties in the decades ahead.

As the Greens leader celebrates 25 years as a parliamentarian and holding the balance of power in both houses of parliament for the first time, with a record 10 Greens MPs, he envisages a much broader political future than the passage of the carbon and mining taxes in the months ahead. "I believe the Greens as a party are in a similar position to what the Labor Party was 100 years ago," Senator Brown told The Weekend Australian in an interview.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...de-alp-bob-brown/story-fn59niix-1226085967764

The Australian Editorial;

Brown has shown hints of a smugness he will need to keep in check. Now is the time for Senator Brown to ensure his party exercises power in the national interest. We have argued that many Greens policies would not be in the national interest and that therefore voters should ensure they are "destroyed at the ballot box"

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[joea]

Calliope
Yes I agree with your logic entirely. It basically "in the eye of the beholder".
In other words , think like Gillard.

It is interesting that with the change in the senate, people are thinking Bob Brown will have control, but my thinking if the government and coalition agree to block it, then they have the numbers.

Joe

 

[noco]

The greens polled 13%in he senate and will now have 12% of senators short plane trip to NZ if you dont like it

todster, the GREENS got in on Labor preferences.

How do you think they will go at the next election with Labor's primary vote now down to about 27%. I would say the Greens will lose out big time. What do you reckon?

If it ever comes to a double disollution, it will wipe the smile of Brown's face.

 

[Julia]

To bring down the government I think Abbott has to block supply.

How does this actually work, joe?

 

[noco]

Calliope
Yes I agree with your logic entirely. It basically "in the eye of the beholder".
In other words , think like Gillard.

It is interesting that with the change in the senate, people are thinking Bob Brown will have control, but my thinking if the government and coalition agree to block it, then they have the numbers.

Joe

If it ever happened by some miracle that Labor was forced to an election and Abbott became Prime Minister, Brown would have to be very careful about blocking coaltion legislation on a continuous basis. All Abbott has to do is threaten Brown with a double disollution of both houses and he will finish up with khaki underpants.

The Greens will be annihilated if it ever came to a double dissolution.

 

[noco]

How does this actually work, joe?

The senate can block supply with a majority as it happened with Whitlam in 1975, but I can't see the Greens siding with the coalition senators on that one.

 

[joea]

If it ever happened by some miracle that Labor was forced to an election and Abbott became Prime Minister, Brown would have to be very careful about blocking coaltion legislation on a continuous basis. All Abbott has to do is threaten Brown with a double disollution of both houses and he will finish up with khaki underpants.

The Greens will be annihilated if it ever came to a double dissolution.

Once again I agree with you, and I think that is why Bob Brown has a "smug " look on his face. I also think that Brown has done some backyard dealings with the independants
so they will not cross the floor in this term.
What I would really like to know what "game plan" that Abbott is working on.
He surely has to come out with some strong policy now.
He gives me the impression he letting her "cook her own goose". (downfall)

I just hope Sarah Hanson Young is not let off the leash. I reckon Bob Brown is a saint compared to her.
joea