wayneL
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Saw Juliar on the telly a few moments ago... Holy crap am I glad I don't have to hear her speak more than once in a blue moon. 
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Saw Juliar on the telly a few moments ago... Holy crap am I glad I don't have to hear her speak more than once in a blue moon.
Yes, you are lucky...
The remote gets a good workout at our place...
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This is something that favours the employer over the employee.Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/bus...ge/story-e6frfm9r-1226078518583#ixzz0rNH67NzF
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZ I am sooo glad they got rid of WORK CHOICES!
Another EPIC FAIL for this Labor Guvmint!
Are you saying that it's hypocritical of the government to have got rid of Workchoices and then oversee the implementation of Workchoices type policies ?
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Oh yes? Tell that to the shool kids in regional towns. Note the wording:
A friend who has a large IGA in a regional town employed many of the high school students over the years for an hour or 2 after school till closing time, even though he could have done without them. The three hour rule meant he could no longer do that, meaning that the kids didn't get work experience, didn't earn spending or saving money.
The intention of the now successful application was in large part to get the ability to again employ the high school kids, giving them valuable work and life experience.
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Absolutely given the second message droned out on the ads in the days prior to the election was "If Mr Rabbit wins it will be Work Choices on Monday".
And we know the other droned repetitive message about no carbon tax under a government I lead.
So, is there any integrity left on both counts?
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I was not my intention to suggest it was necessarily a bad thing.
Clearly, both employer and employee benefit in the example you have outlined.
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May as well condition them early about working for the man and the 40 -50 year grind. But really ... who would bother turning up for an hour and a half work. This will push more toward the easy way out on the dole.
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My first hand experience is that many of the students in that town do exactly that. What is your first hand experience which has led to your attitude of - bugger them, don't give them a chance?
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On the contrary, many kids have just the hour and a half available after school, and with homework and other commitments. If the kid and the employer mutually agree that they both want longer hours then they're free to arrange this.
All that has changed is the abolition of the totally unreasonable demand on employers that they had to employ a kid for a minimum of three hours. Why on earth should either employer or employee be so dictated to!
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A workers union is a union of employees that reach an agreement with the employer that they have entitlements. Like over time penalty rates, sick leave, annual leave, hourly pay rates, meal breaks, unfair dismissal support, agreed wage increases in line with inflation, set ratio of casuals to permanents and job security to name some "rights".
These union/employer agreements make many of the workplaces in Australia what they are today so human exploitation as can be seen in other countries does not happen.
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In the context of the argy bargy that the Unionists and Government came out with such vitriol towards Work Choices and now it is all OK under the Fair Work Act then yes this is exactly what I am alluding to.
It is better for the YOUNG school kids due to scholastic reasons and also better for employers to deal with shift loads on seniors etc who can leave work early if they so desire. Think of the daylight saving period when everyone wants that extra hour of sunlight in the afternoon.
ALSO as an employer I could be a right b@stard and get 3 YOUNG employees to work 1.5 hours per shift twice a day each at a considerably cheaper rate than paying a senior PLUS sick leave PLUS holiday loading PLUS pay roll tax + (insert the $$$ here)
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The only place I see high school students working is Mc Donalds and Woolworths and that is not for an hour and a half. I believe the minimum hours allowed could have remained the same.
When they get older they will understand.
newsagents, bakery, milk run, fish and chip shop the list goes on. IMO labor has made the option of employing people that much harder with their half assed tinkering.
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Disappointing seems the most prevalent word, as it is actually there 4 times under different guises and one misspelling.
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Yes, says it all really - and quite amazing coming from the ABC...
Why labor doesn't do something about it is unbelievable. We thought Rudd was having trouble running the country, but this is much worse. Definitely gone from the frying pan into the fire, imo.
It might not look good to change leaders again, but it also looks worse that labor appear weak and incapable of preventing any further damage, imo. And the indies won't pull out on labor - that would force another election and they are likely to be history sooner than if they work with a new leader.
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Who do you suggest should be Ms Gillard's replacement then, Sails?Yes, says it all really - and quite amazing coming from the ABC...
Why labor doesn't do something about it is unbelievable. We thought Rudd was having trouble running the country, but this is much worse. Definitely gone from the frying pan into the fire, imo.
It might not look good to change leaders again, but it also looks worse that labor appear weak and incapable of preventing any further damage, imo. And the indies won't pull out on labor - that would force another election and they are likely to be history sooner than if they work with a new leader.
I'll say again that I don't think it's just to do with the leader but way more to do with their woeful policy attempts.
I don't think they can do anything. The Gillard government has backed itself tightly into a corner. It's a minority government; they have an uneasy alliance with the Greens and the independents; the independents have sold their souls to the devil; they are more unpopular than they were under Rudd; a second leadership coup would be a very bad look. The whole lot of them are walking a precarious tighrope - there is nowhere to turn. I think they are going to have to continue to try and plough through the mess they have made.
Just my opinion.
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