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sails said:
Was Sattler simply expendable? Was he deliberately set up?

We might never know, but with the antics that have gone on in the past (and as recently as the last couple of days), anything is within the realms of possibility.
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May well have been Sailsy.

Labor backbenchers now realize they are considered expendable. If you're on a margin of < 5%, why wouldn't you clean out your office.
 
Hell we all know how disadvantaged males are in our society when sexist behaviour is visited upon them.
 
I for one am looking forward when Julia Gillard will be replaced by Tony Abbot, the politics of the left are not at all what I stand for. However, the past few weeks and months we have seen disgraceful behaviour towards her and the office of the PM in general. It just cements the world view about Australia that it is full of ignorant, sexist, racist juvenile idiots.
Where is the leadership or class? I cannot vote in September as I am not a citizen (yet!) so have no ax to grind with the Liberals or the ALP. Just reporting what I am seeing and what I see almost makes me wish that I will never have a vote here in Australia. Tony Abbot is a bit of a tool as well but hopefully he will get lesson in how to carry to office of PM with a bit of respect and dignity unlike his carry on now.
 
jank said:
I for one am looking forward when Julia Gillard will be replaced by Tony Abbot, the politics of the left are not at all what I stand for. However, the past few weeks and months we have seen disgraceful behaviour towards her and the office of the PM in general. It just cements the world view about Australia that it is full of ignorant, sexist, racist juvenile idiots.
Where is the leadership or class? I cannot vote in September as I am not a citizen (yet!) so have no ax to grind with the Liberals or the ALP. Just reporting what I am seeing and what I see almost makes me wish that I will never have a vote here in Australia. Tony Abbot is a bit of a tool as well but hopefully he will get lesson in how to carry to office of PM with a bit of respect and dignity unlike his carry on now.
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So, you have no problem with the way Gillard carries on screeching "misogyny" at Abbott in Parliament? How labor created the Australia Day riot to make it look like Abbott had done something wrong? Then she accuses Abbott of this menu thing - and that's gone on for days.

She is supposed to be governing the country - not playing victim ad nauseum.

As you haven't been in this country long, perhaps you haven't seen the more statesmen like PMs we have had in the past. They would not have carried on for days playing victim.

I'm sorry, but Gillard has set the tone for debate in this country and has considerably lowered the bar, imo. When she was voted in, many were willing to give her a fair go. But she couldn't wait before backflipping on her strong commitment to the people not to introduce a carbon tax. That was just the beginning of the downward spiral.
 
Agree Bellenuit +2
just a snippet
Speaking with Neil Mitchell, Mr Kennett said he admitted he was friendly with Ms Gillard, she herself would be embarrassed after her ferocious and unjustified attack on Mr Abbott.
"She seized on it without checking and she's attacked Abbott on the basis of something that wasn't correct with ferociousness, an intensity, a hatred that you don't often see," he said.
"I think she's an embarrassment for the party, and I think when she has time to reflect (on) her performance over the last two days, she will think herself it was embarrassing."
Our health and safety is potentially on the line, but instead the Prime Minister plays the victim
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If this is what we have to put up with for the next 3mths, bring on the election now.
 
sails said:
So, you have no problem with the way Gillard carries on screeching "misogyny" at Abbott in Parliament? How labor created the Australia Day riot to make it look like Abbott had done something wrong? Then she accuses Abbott of this menu thing - and that's gone on for days.

She is supposed to be governing the country - not playing victim ad nauseum.

As you haven't been in this country long, perhaps you haven't seen the more statesmen like PMs we have had in the past. They would not have carried on for days playing victim.

I'm sorry, but Gillard has set the tone for debate in this country and has considerably lowered the bar, imo. When she was voted in, many were willing to give her a fair go. But she couldn't wait before backflipping on her strong commitment to the people not to introduce a carbon tax. That was just the beginning of the downward spiral.
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As I said I don't care for her at all but she has put up with more than her fair share of sexist none sense from all sides. Look at the hatred directed against thatcher and Hillary clinton!

So what? She is a tool and tony abbot is another tool! Australia is becoming a laughing stock due to the carry on and obsession some people have about Julia. No class, manners or leadership on display by ANYONE.
 
sails said:
Was Sattler simply expendable? Was he deliberately set up?

We might never know, but with the antics that have gone on in the past (and as recently as the last couple of days), anything is within the realms of possibility.
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There's lots of things we'll never know.

Is Sails in a romantic relationship with a man? We might never know but "anything is within the realm of possibility" (a bit tautological perhaps?).
 
jank said:
As I said I don't care for her at all but she has put up with more than her fair share of sexist none sense from all sides. Look at the hatred directed against thatcher and Hillary clinton!

So what? She is a tool and tony abbot is another tool! Australia is becoming a laughing stock due to the carry on and obsession some people have about Julia. No class, manners or leadership on display by ANYONE.
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You give every sign of being a tool too!

Tool
A person, typically male, who says or does things that cause you to give them a 'what-are-you-even-doing-here' look. The 'what-are-you-even-doing-here' look is classified by a glare in the tool's direction and is usually accompanied by muttering of how big of a tool they are. The tool is usually someone who is unwelcome but no one has the balls to tell them to get lost. The tool is always making comments that are out-of-place, out-of-line or just plain stupid. The tool is always trying too hard to fit in, and because of this, never will.
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Urban Dictionary
 
I think if the jousting in this thread is in any way representative of Australia's voters at large then I understand why we have the politicians we have. We GET what we DESERVE.
 
MrBurns said:
They're running out of time, the next news poll will be a ripper, I hope they don't replace her now, it may not happen they're all weaklings and Rudd is gutless.
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I'm not sure what you mean by the next poll being a ripper.

My tip for Newspoll is 2PP of 55% in favour of the Coalition. That would bring it more into line with Essential Media.

There's also this interesting insight today into the next Fairfax/Nielsen poll direct from the horse's mouth,

Especially when caucus flies back to Canberra on Monday to be greeted by a Fairfax/Nielsen poll that will confirm more than half of them will not be returning to work after September 14.
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...you-want-kevin-back-as-pm-20130614-2o9mj.html

I doubt that the nonsense of the past week will have made a lot of difference.
 
With regard to polling over the next fortnight, Team Gillard might be happy with a blip,

Shortly before the 2007 election Andrew Robb recalls that he and others were about to approach John Howard to step aside, because of consistently poor polling. But a small improvement right at that time stopped the approach going ahead.

Gillard hanging on because of a polling blip on the back of voter sympathy would be the worst possible outcome for Labor. It would bind the party to an unpopular leader in an environment where respect for the PM has clearly been lost.
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That's what last week was about as a final defence against Kevin Rudd.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...comfort-its-gone/story-fn53lw5p-1226664126204
 
MrBurns said:
I mean good for the Libs, Labor going lower, I'm really interested now to see how low they can poll..........
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The commentary in the Fairfax article above is not encouraging for our dear PM.

A Labor MP tells a story about helping a constituent solve a personal problem. ''I ran into him a month ago and he comes up to me and says I'm really sorry but I can't vote for you because I know that means a vote for that f---ing woman. He used that language and it was a church event. That's the level of feeling out there. People are angry at us that they will have to vote for Tony Abbott.''
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