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Julia said:
Sorry if I'm being dense, but what exactly do you have in mind, Joea?
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Julia
I am wondering what is going on behind the scenes?
Gillard today caved in on the NBN.

sptrawler suggest the Independants are the weak links, but I am not sure of that.
Windsor has all the money he needs, and Rob is a bit "thick" and cannot see past next week.

With the mining tax, Labor have changed the rules to "get the best part of the chicken", and I do not think that I would depend on Julia's word.
Brown wants the opportunity to ammend that tax, he wants to make it tougher for miners.
Swan has said because they have agreed on all ammendents it should be accepted as is.

The next step is the budget, and at that point "suppy" maybe utilised to force an early election.

However I was wondering if we have any "government supply mavens" in the audience.
Anyway we will soon see where the NSW finances are now.

Cheers
 
sptrawler said:
The only chance of an early election is if the independants break ranks with Labor.
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All it would take would be for a sitting member in a marginal labor seat (plently of them) to quit. Illness, scandal, other personal circumstances, whatever. Then you have a by-election the result of which could bring down the govenment.

Half a year since the election. I'd be interested to know what the historic frequency of federal by-elections is.
 
joea said:
Julia
I am wondering what is going on behind the scenes?
Gillard today caved in on the NBN.

sptrawler suggest the Independants are the weak links, but I am not sure of that.
Windsor has all the money he needs, and Rob is a bit "thick" and cannot see past next week.

With the mining tax, Labor have changed the rules to "get the best part of the chicken", and I do not think that I would depend on Julia's word.
Brown wants the opportunity to ammend that tax, he wants to make it tougher for miners.
Swan has said because they have agreed on all ammendents it should be accepted as is.

The next step is the budget, and at that point "suppy" maybe utilised to force an early election.

However I was wondering if we have any "government supply mavens" in the audience.
Anyway we will soon see where the NSW finances are now.

Cheers
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The wordis supposed to be supply. sorry
 
Ferret said:
All it would take would be for a sitting member in a marginal labor seat (plently of them) to quit. Illness, scandal, other personal circumstances, whatever. Then you have a by-election the result of which could bring down the govenment.

Half a year since the election. I'd be interested to know what the historic frequency of federal by-elections is.
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Ah Ferret, you're right of course. What a cheerful thought.
(Now will have to stop myself wishing ill health/misfortune on any sitting labor member.)
 
Sorry about NSW again, but what about this.

Normally circumspect about her politics, but if she tips out a Green, bring it on.

Pauline Hanson close to shock win in New South Wales Upper House
From: The Courier-Mail March 29, 2011

PAULINE Hanson was in position last night to win a seat in the NSW Parliament's Upper House.

After being written off after early counting on Saturday, the former One Nation Party leader and serial candidate crept ahead of Greens candidate Jeremy Buckingham yesterday.

The first votes counted in the Upper House were from Sydney and metropolitan areas but Ms Hanson has performed better in votes counted yesterday in rural NSW.
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drsmith said:
It will be interesting to see how this goes.
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The unified line from the Coalition should be,

"Having lied to the Australian public about a carbon tax, this government is now trying to back out of a pre-election commitment of business tax cuts to appease their Green allies."
 
The 'HACKERS' have been at work on Gillard's computer, also Rudd and Smith's. If it ever gets out I'll bet there will be some interesting data for all to see.
Perhaps they should look up Bill Shorten first before blaming Abbott.
 
noco said:
The 'HACKERS' have been at work on Gillard's computer, also Rudd and Smith's. If it ever gets out I'll bet there will be some interesting data for all to see.
Perhaps they should look up Bill Shorten first before blaming Abbott.
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The "Hacking" isn't limited to Gillard.
You only have to look at Google (and Gmail accounts), RIO, BHP & FMG, all in last few years. The Chinese have been pin-pointed for this. Due to "Political Correctness", have not been named although Google does say it has concrete evidence but won't release it and has complained about the Chinese, which "shocked" the Chinese Government.

4 Corners did a very good doco on it some years ago

"Chinese Whispers"

More here...

(I highly recommend everyone watch this!)

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100419/cyber/
 
noco said:
The 'HACKERS' have been at work on Gillard's computer, also Rudd and Smith's. If it ever gets out I'll bet there will be some interesting data for all to see.
Perhaps they should look up Bill Shorten first before blaming Abbott.
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Noco, I have no idea what you're talking about here. Can you explain or provide a link to the relevant news item?
 
Being in the bubble of prominence in campus politics as a Fabian Socialist with a good line of patter - might be a heady experience, and from there to managing John Brumby's office. But what's missing here? A real job is what, and it shows.

The previous rogue Newspoll was a little too convenient for Labor. This latest 45-55 two party feels more realistic.

Rudd wants his old job back, but I don't think Labor will go back to the future. Probably too early for Shorten, and Combet too linked to the carbon tax.

So will we see a Martin Ferguson led Labor. Other than getting Lindsay Tanner back, I'm not sure whether they could do much better.
 
Logique said:
Being in the bubble of prominence in campus politics as a Fabian Socialist with a good line of patter - might be a heady experience, and from there to managing John Brumby's office. But what's missing here? A real job is what, and it shows.

The previous rogue Newspoll was a little too convenient for Labor. This latest 45-55 two party feels more realistic.

Rudd wants his old job back, but I don't think Labor will go back to the future. Probably too early for Shorten, and Combet too linked to the carbon tax.

So will we see a Martin Ferguson led Labor. Other than getting Lindsay Tanner back, I'm not sure whether they could do much better.
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Lodique, Kevin Rudd would only like his old job back if misses out on UN Secretary General's job. This, we won't know until the end of 2011. His current mission is to tour the world, mixing with world leaders in an attempt to popularise himself for the top job. That's Kevin's dream.
 
Ruddy was classic last night on q&a.

He threw in the old "I was wrong, I made a bad call, I admit that" line over and over, with an utterly earnest expression. So you're an honest man - BIG DEAL! We need more than that to run a country! Let's have a standing ovation for admitting you made a mistake! What about this: GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!!!!!!!!

When that bloke on the end of the panel made a criticism of Rudd, I could see Rudd's whole face change and his bottom lip was trembling. Unfortunately, Rudd is a man whose entire existence is driven by trying to win other people's acceptance. He is a false personality, plastic. Doing the little jokes and forced smiles to the crowd, timing it like only a very practised person could, and the little asides to Tony Jones, all matey matey. If only he was real he could do great things.
 
noco said:
Lodique, Kevin Rudd would only like his old job back if misses out on UN Secretary General's job. This, we won't know until the end of 2011. His current mission is to tour the world, mixing with world leaders in an attempt to popularise himself for the top job. That's Kevin's dream.
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I suspect you are right on this one. He was quite eloquent last night on Q&A and his language style would be right at home at the UN. I don't think he has the goods for the UN role, but he seems "above" the role of Australian PM (again?) so I don't quite know where he really fits?
I don't think Ms Gillard will make the cut and I'm not sure Mr Abbot has the necessary smarts to win for the blues. It will be interesting to see what transpires.
 
Logique said:
So will we see a Martin Ferguson led Labor. Other than getting Lindsay Tanner back, I'm not sure whether they could do much better.
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Yeah, Marn Ferson for my money. Not a world stage performer, but a man with infinite common sense.
 

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