The Gillard Government

[IFocus]

IFocus, I really can't believe you are silly enough to quote this idiotic rhetoric from Ms gillard!


What on earth is the basis for such a stupid comment. Pauline Hanson has been a non-event for years now, has made zero public commentary (thank god) and has only now poked up her head because she smells the chance of making a few more taxpayer dollars by standing for the Senate.

This is the sort of utter rubbish that so diminishes the Prime Minister. If she were to confine her rhetoric to factually based comments, she would have somewhat more credibility.



Oh for god's sake, Tony Abbott has said over and over that Work Choices is dead.
Just accept that. Do not falsely imply otherwise in an attempt to scare voters.
Just pathetic on her part and a sign of her desperation.

And if you are quoting this nonsense on the basis that you either believe or endorse the Prime Minister's comments, IFocus, then it says more about you than it does about the opposition.



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Accept what Abbott's says..............climate change is crap, climate change is man made, climate change is real, hang on climate change science is not settled, scripted comments vers non scripted, I didn't fund the attack on Pauline Hanson, budget figures audited by an independent accountant firm.

Accept what Abbott's says..... never ever


BTW if you do or others do that's fine, it would be crass of me to be sitting on a high horse preaching how silly you might be after all its just politics its not real and its not really that serious talking about politicians who couldn't get a real job.


Interesting the coalition members who didn't turn up to the nutter rally today and it had nothing to do with LW RW politics.

 

[drsmith]

Interesting the coalition members who didn't turn up to the nutter rally today and it had nothing to do with LW RW politics.

Where's Wayne Swan ?

 

[IFocus]

Where's Wayne Swan ?

Cooking the books........

 

[trainspotter]

Accept what Abbott's says..............climate change is crap, climate change is man made, climate change is real, hang on climate change science is not settled, scripted comments vers non scripted, I didn't fund the attack on Pauline Hanson, budget figures audited by an independent accountant firm.

Accept what Abbott's says..... never ever


BTW if you do or others do that's fine, it would be crass of me to be sitting on a high horse preaching how silly you might be after all its just politics its not real and its not really that serious talking about politicians who couldn't get a real job.


Interesting the coalition members who didn't turn up to the nutter rally today and it had nothing to do with LW RW politics.

Stay strong IFocus, stay strong.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Nobody, but nobody with half a brain believes in Global Warming, and I've had that from the high honchos in both the ALP and Coalition Parties.

It's only the Greens and lipservers who push this crazy agenda.

gg

 

[sails]

Nobody, but nobody with half a brain believes in Global Warming, and I've had that from the high honchos in both the ALP and Coalition Parties.

It's only the Greens and lipservers who push this crazy agenda.

gg

and crazy people who think the whole world is mad but them and who use it as an excuse for more taxes...

 

[Logique]

The NSW Keneally Labor government is in all sorts. Election is tomorrow.

From: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...lection-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226027732163

...Primary support for Labor has dropped by three percentage points since the previous Newspoll taken earlier this month, to an equal all-time low of 23 per cent. These are the preliminary findings of the latest Newspoll...The Coalition's primary support is steady on 50 per cent, producing a gap of 27 percentage points, the largest ever recorded between the major parties in NSW.

The Coalition is ahead by 64 per cent to 36 per cent in two-party-preferred terms, also the largest lead recorded....The numbers suggest the wall-to-wall radio and TV scare campaign directed against Mr O'Farrell by Labor over the past four weeks has had no effect. Labor's primary support, at 23 per cent, is identical to where it stood at the time of Ms Keneally's "soft" campaign launch early last month.

The Coalition's primary support is four points higher.

 

[drsmith]

Cooking the books........

You might be right there, with Bob Brown stirring the pot.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-tax-deal-revolt/story-fn59niix-1226027728392

I suspect Labor and the Greens have allready agreed on Labor's RSPT behind closed doors and that this is just a distraction, unless the Greens truely have delusions of taking over Labor as one of two major parties.

Labor should go back to the polls and seek a majority madate for it's policies. If nothing else, they would hopefully rid the PM's office of the Greens.

 

[drsmith]

Ferguson calls Greens basket-weavers and labels leader 'soapbox' Bob

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ader-soapbox-bob/story-e6frg6xf-1226027938159

That's all well, good and entertaining, but, as noted in post #682 above, images speak a thousand words and shows where Labor really stands with the Greens.

 

[IFocus]

I suspect Labor and the Greens have allready agreed on Labor's RSPT behind closed doors and that this is just a distraction, unless the Greens truely have delusions of taking over Labor as one of two major parties.

They might have in general terms but unlikely in detail neither side would trust the other an inch as they are both looking at similar voter base for the policy and both will want to claim it was them that got it up

Labor should go back to the polls and seek a majority madate for it's policies. If nothing else, they would hopefully rid the PM's office of the Greens.

Labor doesn't have to go back to the polls they will likely get their policy's across the line with the current minority government.

 

[drsmith]

They might have in general terms but unlikely in detail neither side would trust the other an inch as they are both looking at similar voter base for the policy and both will want to claim it was them that got it up.

The detail on the mining tax would now be pretty well settled, at least in the context of negotiation between Labor and the Greens.

Labor doesn't have to go back to the polls they will likely get their policy's across the line with the current minority government.

If they do, Labor will have it's mining tax and the Greens their carbon tax. The Greens will be even happier if the latter is over Labor's corpse.

 

[IFocus]

If they do, Labor will have it's mining tax and the Greens their carbon tax. The Greens will be even happier if the latter is over Labor's corpse.

I don't see the carbon tax getting up easily with the Greens. Labor will want it to have no effect or if any to advantage its voter base. They will want to go to an election saying look at Abbott hes a fraud in his claims of it hurting job's, people etc.

Remember the so called tax is only a transition vehicle to some sort of trading scheme same as the coalitions policy.

Greens don't care because there is only up side no real consequences so they will want it to hurt the bigger carbon produces.

It will be hard to see how both sides can do a deal.

 

[drsmith]

I don't see the carbon tax getting up easily with the Greens.

???

 

[drsmith]

A few correctional edits (bold).

I don't see the carbon tax getting up easily with the Greens. Labor will want it to have no immediately noticable effect or if any to advantage swinging voters in the short term before disadvantaging all. They will want to go to an election lying about Abbott hes a fraud in his claims of it hurting job's, people etc.

Remember the so called tax is only a transition vehicle to some sort of trading scheme same as Kevin Rudd's/Malcolm Turnbull's policy.

Greens don't care because there is only up side no real consequences so they will want it to hurt the consumer who ultimately use the energy/products produced by the bigger carbon produces.

It will be hard to see how both sides can do a deal.

They did it prior to the election. Bob Brown said there would be a carbon tax introduced this term, at that time, when Labor were denying it.

 

[sails]

A couple of interesting articles from the Australian on Gillard's BER:

BER panning dumped in dead of night

The report was tabled out of session by the government at 10.05pm last night after the NBN debate wrapped up at 10pm.

It was tabled without the knowledge of the committee chairman Chris Back and several other of the Liberal members, including opposition BER spokesman Brett Mason.

"It is very strange indeed that it would be tabled like this . . . it certainly raises suspicions," Senator Mason said late last night.

and agree with the article below below that it seems ludicrous that Ms Gillard couldn't find $1.8b for the flood reconstruction when she seems to spill more than that quite easily.

BER failures linked to flood levy

THE Gillard government could have avoided its temporary floods levy if it had managed schools stimulus programs better, the federal opposition argues.

 

[joea]

Following the NSW election, 70% of mining is covered by coalition states.
With the looming election in QLD, there maybe more.
Is this the loophole to oust Gillard.?
Cheers

 

[Julia]

Sorry if I'm being dense, but what exactly do you have in mind, Joea?

 

[sptrawler]

The only chance of an early election is if the independants break ranks with Labor. Which is on the cards if the State elections follow N.S.W lead, the independants will want to distance themselves for fear of becoming collateral damage. All we need now is a downturn in China and Labor will have set up the perfect storm.

 

[trainspotter]

When China has a downturn ....... LOL. You will be waiting awhile. USA economy is showing signs of recovery (albeit fragile and small)

New-home sales rose 4.7 pc to a 337,000 annual rate in February, much higher than expected. Durable-goods orders jumped 3.4 pc to USD 165.6 billion in February. This is an unexpected move after six straight months of decline. US markets rose too on the news.

China playing major role

China, the Treasury Secretary said, is playing an important stabilising role in the financial crisis. “The thing that they are doing to get their economy stronger, to encourage domestic demand growth, to allow further revolution in their basis financial basic framework, those things are very important consequential qualities and we are working very closely with them,” he said. “I think they have a lot of confidence in the policies we are pursuing.”

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/us-economy-showing-signs-of-recovery-says-us-secy/88713-2.html

 

[sptrawler]

The U.S is stopping the stimulus spending in June, Europe is still a basket case and commodity prices are being held up by Chinas internal demand. I don't think it is all going to fall over but we are very exposed to Chinese demand.
I know, it is different this time, China won't stop buying at record prices. They will just keep paying more and more and we will produce more and more and the world will be a wonderfull place....LOL.