The Gillard Government

Ves · 23 October 2012

sptrawler said:
Well that must be the reason China and India have bought the only two coal mines in W.A.
Apparently they think there is an advantage in owning cheap energy and yes, I'm sure they will put a tax on it to make it more expensive for themselves. What a hoot LOL,LOL,LOL

India actually already has a carbon tax (price) in place, first put in place in July 2010. They have campaigned that such a tax should be implemented world wide. Proceeds are used for clean energy research (rather than wealth re-distribution like in Australia). It's a fairly good model compared to our tax.

Also I'm sure the coal exports will triple over the next decade, also I'm sure India and China will own the mines.LOL,LOL,LOL
Put your head in the sand while the sun is shinning, when it gets cold and you pull your head out, it will be different.

I don't disagree with this by the way. Our country has a long history of selling itself for the benefit of others, short-sighted governments have always encouraged it. I think this is a different issue than the one we are discussing though!

Ves · 23 October 2012

Julia said:
And perhaps your views might be somewhat coloured by your political bias?

I do not know what you mean by my own political bias, you would have to explain that.

My main goal in posting was to attempt to provide some balance to the conversation, as I felt it was very, very one-sided. I guess I failed miserably in that respect. Reflecting on this fact, I won't bother you guys and girls any further at this stage. Carry on.

Julia · 23 October 2012

Ves said:
India actually already has a carbon tax (price) in place, first put in place in July 2010. They have campaigned that such a tax should be implemented world wide. Proceeds are used for clean energy research (rather than wealth re-distribution like in Australia). It's a fairly good model compared to our tax.

On July 1, 2010 India introduced a nationwide carbon tax of 50 rupees per metric tonne ($1.07/t) of coal both produced and imported into India.

This is just apparently on coal and on present exchange rates is less than $1 compared to Australia's $23.
A gesture at most.

Calliope · 24 October 2012

How dare that upstart Abbott infer that our Virgin PM has no experience with children.:behead:

moXJO · 24 October 2012

Ves said:
Proceeds are used for clean energy research (rather than wealth re-distribution like in Australia). It's a fairly good model compared to our tax.

!

I would support the tax if the money stayed in this country and was used in this way instead of just being another money pit for finance institutes. In its current form the carbon tax is not being used in the best interests of this country.

drsmith · 24 October 2012

Calliope said:
How dare that upstart Abbott infer that our Virgin PM has no experience with children.:behead:

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Looking at that, I can understand why head of tht household Bob Brown walked out.

noco · 24 October 2012

noco said:
I well aware it would not be her decision, but she is the Governor General after all and would have been sent there to impress those African countries with lots of incentuive just to get the UN vote.

Many well spent???????????????

Yes, and here is the cost of the Govenor Generals little trip to Africa to buy their vote for a seat on the UN.

Can anyone believe this woman has a staff of 85; 30 of whom have quit in the past 12 months.

Upon recommendations of this Green/Labor Government, the Queen has extended her term for another two years. Is the Labor Party hanging on to her in case the Coalition wins the election in 2013. Perhaps Labor might be looking for her to sack the Coalition if there is a word put out of place like "misogyny".LOL.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/the-real-cost-of-rudds-un-desire/story-e6frezc0-1225791860611

Miss Hale · 24 October 2012

Calliope said:
How dare that upstart Abbott infer that our Virgin PM has no experience with children.:behead:

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Love how Wilkie is pictured spitting the dummy

Julia · 24 October 2012

Well, despite the amusement, Morgan Polls have Labor actually ahead:

NEWS : Morgan Poll :

ALP (50.5%) LEADS L-NP (49.5%) – FIRST TIME SINCE JANUARY 2012

Finding No. 4834 - This face-to-face Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention was conducted over the last two weekends, October 13/14 & 20/21, 2012 with an Australia-wide cross-section of 1,709 Australian electors aged 18+, of all electors surveyed a low 3.5% (up 0.5%) did not name a party. Face-to-face polling is more accurate than telephone polling due to the higher response rate achieved compared to other forms of polling including telephone polling and Internet polling.: October 22, 2012

In mid October support for the ALP is 50.5% (up 2.5%) cf. L-NP 49.5% (down 2.5%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted over the last two weekends, October 13/14 & 20/21, 2012.

Today’s face-to-face Morgan Poll shows the L-NP primary vote is 38.5% (down 4.5% in 2 weeks) ahead of the ALP 37.5% (up 0.5%). Among the minor parties Greens support is up sharply by 2% to 12.5% and Independents/ Others up 2% to 11.5%.

Robert Gottliebsen is suggesting the government has six months to go to an election for some very interesting reasons he sets out here:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...ent=121986&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

Logique · 24 October 2012

Poor fella Tasmania. Other states, you're next. Only so many baristas and tour guides that a state can use.

Think about this as you decide whether to patronize the following businesses, owned by Kathmandu founder and Tasmanian resident Jan Cameron: Retail Adventures - the operating company behind Go-Lo, Sam's Warehouse, Crazy Clark's and Chickenfeed.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bus...oses-stores-20121023-283db.html#ixzz2AADRnuld

..A recent boardroom exodus has left her [Jan Cameron] as the sole director..

MrBurns · 24 October 2012

Carbon Tax, what it reeally means.

[video]http://vidcall.com/index.php/videos/show/4064[/video]

moXJO · 24 October 2012

Julia said:
Well, despite the amusement, Morgan Polls have Labor actually ahead:

Robert Gottliebsen is suggesting the government has six months to go to an election for some very interesting reasons he sets out here:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...ent=121986&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

Betting odds are still safely in liberals favor

sails · 24 October 2012

moXJO said:
Betting odds are still safely in liberals favor

And shown by the last two state elections.

The polls were inaccurate on both of them - NT was predicted to be a close result and yet the libs won easily. ACT was predicted as a comfortable labor win - the result is a hung parliament with a 7.4% swing to the libs.

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/act/2012/

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/nt/2012/

It seems that the polls are no longer reflecting reality.

Miss Hale · 24 October 2012

Logique said:
Poor fella Tasmania. Other states, you're next. Only so many baristas and tour guides that a state can use.

Think about this as you decide whether to patronize the following businesses, owned by Kathmandu founder and Tasmanian resident Jan Cameron: Retail Adventures - the operating company behind Go-Lo, Sam's Warehouse, Crazy Clark's and Chickenfeed.

And I'll bet Jan Cameron would be one of those who would say Gina Rhinehart has too much power.

sptrawler · 25 October 2012

Well watching the Thomson,Labor response tonight. I would have to say it is becomming a bit like the Lance Armstrong fiasco.
So best of luck with that. The truth comes out eventually. LOL,LOL,LOL

MrBurns · 25 October 2012

sptrawler said:
Well watching the Thomson,Labor response tonight. I would have to say it is becomming a bit like the Lance Armstrong fiasco.
So best of luck with that. The truth comes out eventually. LOL,LOL,LOL

I hope they put him in a cell with thugs who have been following this fiasco.
Thugs that understand that their kids get a little less because this worm gets paid by the taxpayer.

drsmith · 25 October 2012

Julia said:
Robert Gottliebsen is suggesting the government has six months to go to an election for some very interesting reasons he sets out here:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...ent=121986&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

Their new mining tax doesn't appear to be raising the fortunes the government had hoped.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-blow-to-revenue/story-fn59nsif-1226502734885

Knobby22 · 25 October 2012

That's what you get by letting the miners design the tax. What a farce!

Logique · 25 October 2012

Logique said:
In case of emergency, break glass, read message.
Message: say attacks are gender based.
What's the excuse with Craig Thomson. Brendan Nelson. Peter Slipper.

22nd August, quoting myself if I do say so.

Listen, I'm happy to entertain any and all critiques of Tony Abbott, he's a work in progress, how stupid is his maternity leave proposal, the more so in the face of a galloping national debt.

But TA does not deserve to be smeared as a woman-hater. I'd take him over the oleaginous, warmist-loved Wentworth any day.

Julia · 25 October 2012

Logique said:
But TA does not deserve to be smeared as a woman-hater. I'd take him over the oleaginous, warmist-loved Wentworth any day.

Of course TA is not a hater of women. He is, however, very, very conservative in some of his views about women, or at least has been in the past. This is in contrast to the liberal, 'progressive' Turnbull whose philosophy seems more aligned with the Greens than any other party.

At this stage, though, isn't it coming down to who is the most politically skilled? Labor's McTernan - the adviser imported from the UK - seems to have put in place a strategy which is working well in terms of destroying TA.
Mr Abbott seems clueless about how to respond to this, is continuing to make silly remarks (e.g. the government don't have enough experience about children!), while Joe Hockey as shadow Treasurer is less than reassuring.

Mr Turnbull gave a polished performance on "7.30" last night on the NBN.

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