The Gillard Government

[sptrawler]

The greens can walk away from the agreement, they have already achieved more than they would have expected.
If they decide that labor are getting leverage off them, why not cross the floor with the coalition on a vote of no confidence.
Probably won't happen, but it depends how feral Swan and Co get, one just has to think back to the Rudd incident.
Milne could be a wild card, with Bob not in the picture, the good will may not be there.

Well the Oct/Nov election may be on the cards.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/alpgreens-war-escalates-20120709-21ru6.html

 

[dutchie]

What a joke this Labor Government is.

All of a sudden they don't like the Greens.

Each member is coming up with "oh yeah the Greens are no good - I've always thought this"

 

[Calliope]

He wouldn't be doing this if Bob Brown was still there.

 

[Julia]

What a joke this Labor Government is.

All of a sudden they don't like the Greens.

Each member is coming up with "oh yeah the Greens are no good - I've always thought this"

They can't win on this. For any positive reaction they might achieve by dissing the Greens, there will be the obvious question asked "well, why the hell are you in an alliance with them if you so despise them".

Essentially, Labor are just making themselves look even more confused with this attack on the Greens, amusing though it is.

 

[MrBurns]

Gillard is looking more rattled each day, Neil Mitchell on 3AW is calling for Simon Crean to take over, slimy simon they call him, a worthy Labor leader

 

[noco]

If the Governor General (Quiten Byrce) was worth her salt she should have put and end to all the crap that is going with the Austrlaian Government, dissolved parliament and called a double dissolution.

Unfortunately she is too biased to the left wing socialist Labor Party.

 

[drsmith]

Already happening imo. I don't think Ms Gillard has much to do with this present uprising. It is as much a movement against her as it is against the Greens. She is in a hell of a position, something she has brought entirely upon herself.

It does increasingly seem that Labor's current farting in bed is creating unplanned discomfort for both occupants as evidenced by the follwowing slapdown from Christine Milne,

Senator Milne says the ALP is falling apart over asylum seekers and that has led powerbrokers from the left such as Doug Cameron to label the Greens "intransigent and immature".

"I think this is a crisis in the Labor Party, and it certainly undermines confidence in the prime minister," she told reporters on Tuesday.

"And those people on the left who now are coming out in such a vicious way, I think that's just reflecting the guilt and anger they feel that they have been forced in the Labor Party to roll over to what is an inhumane proposition in relation to asylum seekers.

"It's one that they have railed against for years under the Howard government.

It's interesting that she uses the term 'falling apart' given that Labor is the foundation that supports her power.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...cy-out-on-greens/story-fn59niix-1226422712308

 

[sptrawler]

I think Milne is the wild card, she doesn't have the agreement with labor, Bob did.
Bob got everything he wanted out off the deal and has retired happy.
Now it is up to Milne, to take the greens up one level on the political credibility ladder, by usirping labors position.
They will never have a better chance than at the moment, labor is on its back legs flailing ready to be trodden on.
Very sad state of affairs really, this labor government has sold a lemon and now is having trouble getting people to suck it.
It is a big problem when politicians put themselves before their electorate.

 

[joea]

There is a by-election coming up in Victoria.
The Greens will win the seat. No Liberal candidate.
That what the latest uprising is all about.

After all Victoria is supposed to be Gillard's stronghold.
Federal polling is now affecting state politics, regardless of
what Gillard or Swan says.
joea

 

[joea]

If the Governor General (Quiten Byrce) was worth her salt she should have put and end to all the crap that is going with the Austrlaian Government, dissolved parliament and called a double dissolution.

Unfortunately she is too biased to the left wing socialist Labor Party.

Noco
I think Byrce can only step in when there in a motion moved.
So if Abbott can get the some MP's from the minor parties to support the motion,
then Byrce can anoint the motion.
She will (or I hope she will) step in when that particular motion is moved.
The current problem Abbott can not come up with the goods, or support.
The current situation is a "catch 22" or "merry go round".
joea

 

[moXJO]

Labor wants to get it together soon or they risk losing even more seats to the greens. The fact that they couldnt see that the greens were after labors base voters shows how dumb this current lot are. Its getting painful to watch

 

[sptrawler]

Labor wants to get it together soon or they risk losing even more seats to the greens. The fact that they couldnt see that the greens were after labors base voters shows how dumb this current lot are. Its getting painful to watch

Yes the greens, through Bob Brown, have shown they are a more effective party than labor. Also they have highlighted how inept labor are at formulating effective policy.
The labor internal polling must be coming up with horrific results, to cause the current panic attack. They must be in utter turmoil, somethings got to give, probably when parliament resumes.

 

[sptrawler]

Well the W.A Labor Party know what the general population think of the Gillard Green/Labor Government.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/14203076/no-gillard-for-state-election-says-mcgowan/

 

[drsmith]

They must be in utter turmoil, somethings got to give, probably when parliament resumes.

There's enough turmoil there to make Rob Oakshott worry about his bread and butter,

He said despite this week's spat, he stood by his 2010 assessment that the ALP and the Greens had a "more functional" relationship than the Coalition and the Greens.

Err Rob,

The Coalition would not have needed the Greens had you and Tony Windsor supported them to form government.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...tt-tells-labor-and-greens-20120710-21tyq.html

I think Byrce can only step in when there in a motion moved.
So if Abbott can get the some MP's from the minor parties to support the motion,
then Byrce can anoint the motion.

It's becoming increasingly clear that the independents who have helped Labor form government would rather go down with the ship than change sides.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes doc, it's a shame they are so self centred, Oakeshott thought there was a better chance of him saving his ar$e with labour/green fragmented mess. If he had gone with the coalition, he would have had the say he deserved, sod all. What an absolute goose, how a useless pieces of ###### like him and Wilkie get voted in completely beats me.

 

[drsmith]

Well the W.A Labor Party know what the general population think of the Gillard Green/Labor Government.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/14203076/no-gillard-for-state-election-says-mcgowan/

Public aknowledgement that he sees federal Labor as a negative.

Mr McGowan said his stand on Federal Labor was more about holding Premier Colin Barnett to account.

“I just don’t want to see Mr Barnett get away with an election victory on the basis of it not being about his policies and his record,” he said.

.

 

[sptrawler]

Well I think McGowan will be toast due to Gillard, unfortunately Gillard won't go to an election. Therefore the electorate pays out at the state election, It's a no brainer.

 

[noco]

Yes doc, it's a shame they are so self centred, Oakeshott thought there was a better chance of him saving his ar$e with labour/green fragmented mess. If he had gone with the coalition, he would have had the say he deserved, sod all. What an absolute goose, how a useless pieces of ###### like him and Wilkie get voted in completely beats me.

Oakeshott could still save his a*^se and at the same time make a hero of himself by moving a vote of no-cofidence. I reckon his electorate would put him on a pedestal.
I believe he can't do it untill August. If there is an election before hand he will lose all of his parliamentary handouts.

 

[sptrawler]

Oakeshott could still save his a*^se and at the same time make a hero of himself by moving a vote of no-cofidence. I reckon his electorate would put him on a pedestal.
I believe he can't do it untill August. If there is an election before hand he will lose all of his parliamentary handouts.

That pretty well sums up the character of the person. If it's accurate

 

[drsmith]

An interesting piece on the current spat between Labor and the Greens,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/the-end-of-the-affair/story-e6frg6z6-1226422915946

A more immediate consequence of Labor preferencing against the Greens would be the impact it might have on the overall composition of the Senate. Unless Labor's political fortunes improve considerably before the next election, the likelihood is that Labor preferencing against the Greens would deliver the conservatives a No 4 Senate spot in some states.

Were that to happen Abbott's conservatives might control the Senate in their own right. That would allow him to repeal the carbon and mining taxes without a fight.

Perhaps some within the Labor Party would not be too upset were that to happen, avoiding a situation whereby they would have to stand by their pre-election rhetoric that they would continue to block Abbott's repeal efforts in opposition, or force a double dissolution on the carbon tax soon after the next election.

Another longer term consideration for Labor (post Gillard) might be that a Coalition with control of both houses may be more drunk with power than would otherwise be the case. This could be a faster path to Labor's redemption with the electorate.

History offers the final term of the Howard government as the prime example.