The Gillard Government

sptrawler said:

I like how Milne is saying the greens are having trouble getting labor to do as they are told.
She goes on to say they won't keep labor in office if the don't behave. LOL

Labor are starting to look like the minor party, which is exactly what the greens want.
I think Bob Brown is still showing how to slap labor into line.LOL

We could be in for a major ' cat' fight.

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Could this all be a set up to suck Tony Abbott in. I don't trust the Greens or the Labor Party.

Both these parties are evil when it comes to dirty tricks.

I hope Abbott lays low and does try to exploit it.

noco said:

Could this all be a set up to suck Tony Abbott in. I don't trust the Greens or the Labor Party.

Both these parties are evil when it comes to dirty tricks.

I hope Abbott lays low and does try to exploit it.

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It's all so easy for a party that will never attain Government in it's own right, combined with the fact that their vote percentage doesn't change and in fact gets more entrenched with every statement they make.

Their only vested interest is to maintain the carbon tax through thick or thin and so they rationalise that the longer they hold out until the next election the more likely this will come to pass.

It's all so simple that you can afford to be completely illogical on the asylum-seeker issue.

Labor are finally doing something right, trashing the Greens on their way out, it's a wonderful sight.

THE FINAL GILLARD DISGRACE: by Larry Pickering

For $300 a week each, Gillard has given us the privilege of inviting asylum seekers into our homes.
Has she and her Government gone completely mad?
The ABC proved only this week that we don’t have a clue who is entering our country illegally. We have no
way to process these people. We have no way to know who they are because most are either carrying false
passports or have been told to toss their IDs in the drink before they got here.

This Captain Emad character was discovered to be here illegally, and in Canberra, blatantly smuggling people
to our country on stink boats. The Government says the AFP have had him under surveillance for two years.
They didnt even stop him fleeing back to Indonesia to continue making a fortune smuggling people back here,
for Christ’s sake.
Some boats have sunk with all on board and this germ has lied about it to anxious relatives to ensure he was
paid in full! Now there's a REAL maggot for you!

Now our Government Minister Clare says, “We had to let him go because we couldn’t make any charges stick”!
What the hell is this clown talking about? Emad must have thought it was Xmas walking out of here like that.
HE obviously knew he should be arrested! But not the AFP?

The AFP could have placed a PACE Alert at all departure points within minutes of viewing that ABC program.
They wouldn’t have even needed to arrest him to do that! We have already seen the mountain of evidence
against this criminal! Why wasn’t he placed back in detention with all the others until he was processed properly
and then jailed or deported? Didn’t he lie to and deceive authorities?
This most infamous of all illegal immigrants was given a special deal after only three months' detention and
provided with free government housing so he could continue his trade! Who exactly is paying who here?

Are they kidding? Illegal entry is not an offence?
If the Government is too lazy and the AFP too incompetent to arrest someone of this level of infamy then what
damned message have we sent to Indonesia?

Malaysia is on the smuggling route and integral to the whole illegal operation. Stupid f***ing Gillard wants to defy our High Court ruling and send them all back there for felonious processing.
(Sorry about that but I am shaking with rage typing this.)

Now this galah of a woman is encouraging aged people and decent, unsuspecting families to take these
unidentified people into their homes when the Government has just proved it doesn't have a f***ing clue who
they are! It is a catastrophe waiting to happen! And it will!
These people are Islamic from a different environment and culture. Can Granny serve Hal Al food?
Does she know about their disdain for women and young girls? Is she ready for their illegal immigrant mates
to pay a visit? Their wailing prayers 5 times a day? Their hatred of the West? If Granny reads their Koran
she will have a heart attack!

You should have a few spare rooms in The Lodge Julia. How about you shoulder some of your own f***-up
and show us how it’s done! Oh, I guess you don’t need the money, do you?... but poor old people and
struggling families do.

Nauru could solve this national disgrace tomorrow but Gillard would need to retreat. She would rather
Australia continues to pay dearly for this than openly display her original stupidity.
I would like to get my hands around her scrawny neck and shake some common sense into her.

This is lunacy beyond even what I thought Gillard was capable of.

noco said:

Could this all be a set up to suck Tony Abbott in. I don't trust the Greens or the Labor Party.

Both these parties are evil when it comes to dirty tricks.

I hope Abbott lays low and does try to exploit it.

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I would say Tony Abbott is awake to Labor and the Greens.

But Tony Abbott said the stoush was a "phoney fight between the Greens and the Labor Party . . . as choreographed as world championship wrestling". "If it's fair dinkum, there's one way for the Prime Minister to demonstrate that and that is by tearing up her agreement with the Greens . . . If she's fair dinkum about tearing up the deal with the Greens, she's got to get rid of the carbon tax and the border protection policies that don't work as well," the Opposition Leader said.

Why Wayne was late for work.

noco said:

I would say Tony Abbott is awake to Labor and the Greens.

But Tony Abbott said the stoush was a "phoney fight between the Greens and the Labor Party . . . as choreographed as world championship wrestling". "If it's fair dinkum, there's one way for the Prime Minister to demonstrate that and that is by tearing up her agreement with the Greens . . . If she's fair dinkum about tearing up the deal with the Greens, she's got to get rid of the carbon tax and the border protection policies that don't work as well," the Opposition Leader said.

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Put simply and effectively. It's phony until Labor acts.

The Coalition should move to preference Labor ahead of the Greens before the next election. Exactly when though is a little more tricky. If Labor don't move first, then just before the election would be a good time for the Coalition.

noco said:

Could this all be a set up to suck Tony Abbott in. I don't trust the Greens or the Labor Party.

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Well I think it is just shadow boxing.
Why....
1 To show the faceless men there is "another" side to Julia.
2 To move the voters attention away from the real issues.
3 To precipitate some of the blame to the Greens on some of the bad decisions she has
made in the past.
This women is turning into a "chameleon" before the eyes of the Australian voter.
joea

joea said:

Well I think it is just shadow boxing.

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Most likely, although one wonders at what point it will be driven by panic from within.

joea said:

Well I think it is just shadow boxing.
Why....
1 To show the faceless men there is "another" side to Julia.
2 To move the voters attention away from the real issues.
3 To precipitate some of the blame to the Greens on some of the bad decisions she has
made in the past.
This women is turning into a "chameleon" before the eyes of the Australian voter.
joea

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I agree with you 100%. She will try anything to stay in power. Until she tears up the agreement with Greens, I won't believe a thing she and her croonies do and say.

drsmith said:

Most likely, although one wonders at what point it will be driven by panic from within.

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Doc, I think panic has set in already.

noco said:

Doc, I think panic has set in already.

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I hope so.

Poor Greg Combet is splitting hairs between an alliance and an arrangement.

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet has also argued that Labor did not have an ''alliance'' with the Greens, rather it had negotiated an "arrangement" with them and other independents in the wake of the 2010 election.

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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...s-labors-attack-on-greens-20120709-21qjy.html

The signing ceremony between Labor and the Greens after the last election looked to be rather formal to me. The seeds of the carbon tax were also sown by this point as well. A sign of things to come........

In the present context, history can be interesting to review.

It's clear now that her citizens assembly on climate change was allready dead on the day it was announced.

Contrary to her word, a fragile political consensus was always good enough.

noco said:

I would say Tony Abbott is awake to Labor and the Greens.

But Tony Abbott said the stoush was a "phoney fight between the Greens and the Labor Party . . . as choreographed as world championship wrestling". "If it's fair dinkum, there's one way for the Prime Minister to demonstrate that and that is by tearing up her agreement with the Greens . . . If she's fair dinkum about tearing up the deal with the Greens, she's got to get rid of the carbon tax and the border protection policies that don't work as well," the Opposition Leader said.

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Why on earth would she do that? To do so would be to provoke an election which she knows she would lose.

drsmith said:

Most likely, although one wonders at what point it will be driven by panic from within.

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Already happening imo. I don't think Ms Gillard has much to do with this present uprising. It is as much a movement against her as it is against the Greens. She is in a hell of a position, something she has brought entirely upon herself.

The greens can walk away from the agreement, they have already achieved more than they would have expected.
If they decide that labor are getting leverage off them, why not cross the floor with the coalition on a vote of no confidence.
Probably won't happen, but it depends how feral Swan and Co get, one just has to think back to the Rudd incident.
Milne could be a wild card, with Bob not in the picture, the good will may not be there.

sptrawler said:

The greens can walk away from the agreement, they have already achieved more than they would have expected.
If they decide that labor are getting leverage off them, why not cross the floor with the coalition on a vote of no confidence.
Probably won't happen, but it depends how feral Swan and Co get, one just has to think back to the Rudd incident.
Milne could be a wild card, with Bob not in the picture, the good will may not be there.

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Milne will certainly threaten Labor with all that she has. She knows she only has to bare her teeth to maintain the perception that the Greens are a 'conviction' party but she is not about letting Abbott into Government, so he is right about this shadow boxing.

Labor has time to 'roadtest' this new posture, to see whether it wins them back votes from the Left. When they find out the answer is no, they are likely to give up on preferencing the Greens last.

I think Dr Smith is right in that this is a chess game which the Coalition should be taking a back seat on. The prize, if Abbott is the last mover, may well be control of the Senate.

You may think Labor would not want to hand control of the Senate over to the Coalition in the 2013 election, but think again. It may be better than being forced into a double dissolution election at which they get totally decimated for resisting the repeal of the carbon tax.

Chess game indeed!

StumpyPhantom said:

...You may think Labor would not want to hand control of the Senate over to the Coalition in the 2013 election, but think again. It may be better than being forced into a double dissolution election at which they get totally decimated for resisting the repeal of the carbon tax....

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With the seeming all brawn and no brain mentality, I don't think they will see past obstructing Abbott at every possible turn even if it costs them their careers...

Labor's reached the point now where it can't even buy votes.

A Newspoll conducted exclusively for The Australian at the weekend found the Coalition's primary support had risen two points to 48 per cent in the past fortnight as Labor's primary vote rose one percentage point to 31 per cent.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...no-help-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226422049813

The latest Essential Media poll too is little changed.

drsmith said:

Labor's reached the point now where it can't even buy votes.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...no-help-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226422049813

The latest Essential Media poll too is little changed.

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Still no movement with election date at sportsbet!
Confusion on who will substitute for Gillard.
The faceless men have a real problem. They need someone to replace Gillard and win
the next election. ***THAT'S MISSION IMPOSSIBLE***
Oh to have a "bug" in the room full of faceless men.
joea

Obviously the Government is doing something right.!
Octomon is heading down under.

http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/lif...ce=FD&utm_medium=rainbow&utm_campaign=octomum

Should certainly help the USA economy recover.

joea:bananasmi