The Gillard Government

[rumpole]

Just how long has the principal that the minerals do not belong to the miners been held and if it's true why hasn't it been acted upon before half of WA has been exported to China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mining_law

History of mining law

The first Australian mining laws were enacted in 1851.[1] Before that, ownership of minerals and petroleum passed to those who were granted title to land by the colonial governors according to common law concepts, except the right to "Royal Mines" (the precious metals of gold and silver) which remained vested in the Crown by virtue of Royal prerogative. From 1855, colonial parliaments legislated for ownership of minerals to be retained by the Crown in future grants of freehold title. Thus, the situation developed where throughout Australia, the Crown in right of the State owns nearly all the minerals.

More at the link...

 

[joea]

Just how long has the principal that the minerals do not belong to the miners been held and if it's true why hasn't it been acted upon before half of WA has been exported to China.

MrBurns
I was thinking about this myself.
It just does not stand up to scrutiny.
The following link, if it opens, suggest something of a bigger order.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/labor_china_food_bowl_plan_VOZQjQXmlHZ1Pay7ExK74J

joea

 

[MrBurns]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mining_law

History of mining law

The first Australian mining laws were enacted in 1851.[1] Before that, ownership of minerals and petroleum passed to those who were granted title to land by the colonial governors according to common law concepts, except the right to "Royal Mines" (the precious metals of gold and silver) which remained vested in the Crown by virtue of Royal prerogative. From 1855, colonial parliaments legislated for ownership of minerals to be retained by the Crown in future grants of freehold title. Thus, the situation developed where throughout Australia, the Crown in right of the State owns nearly all the minerals.

More at the link...

If the miners do not own the minerals, or own the right to the proceeds of sales, something has been very wrong for a very long time and I just wonder who, in the background has got terribly wealthy on the back of this.

If this is the case it cant be incompetence, it MUST be corruption at Govt level.

MrBurns
I was thinking about this myself.
It just does not stand up to scrutiny.
The following link, if it opens, suggest something of a bigger order.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/labor_china_food_bowl_plan_VOZQjQXmlHZ1Pay7ExK74J

joea

Australia is a very large underutilised country full of a soft population who expect everything for nothing, we are ripe for a hardened society to take us over and China is the obvious one to do it.

To use us as a food bowl makes sense if we keep control of it, yeah fat chance.

If this were to happen the US would see this as losing their grip on this region and that would be a bad thing for us, I mean who do you trust the USA or China, neither ?

Perhaps but I'd rather be ruled by the USA than any Asian nation.

We need stronger polititians.............need and get are two different things.

If Gillard hadn't stuffed everything else up along the way perhaps she might have qualified, what she now espouses about the principal of mining wealth seems to make sense , but why now and how much am I owed in back royalties.

 

[rumpole]

If the miners do not own the minerals, or own the right to the proceeds of sales, something has been very wrong for a very long time and I just wonder who, in the background has got terribly wealthy on the back of this.

If this is the case it cant be incompetence, it MUST be corruption at Govt level.

The miners own the proceeds of the minerals sales, they pay royalties to the States for the right to extract and sell the minerals.

 

[MrBurns]

The miners own the proceeds of the minerals sales, they pay royalties to the States for the right to extract and sell the minerals.

Then is Gilard trying to change the rules ?

It seems yes.

Then the royalty probably isnt enough, just hike it up and let the Commonwealth impose a levy on the states (WA) same result.

 

[joea]

Then is Gilard trying to change the rules ?

We would have to be naive if we think Gillard has considered that she and Labor will not win the next election.
We would also be naive to think that Gillard could implement all her policy's in one term.

So I believe she is chasing the "booty" to support her policy's, and the second term. I believe Labor has concerns about foreign investment doubt towards Australia.
So if you would want to resolve it, go with China in as many projects as possible.
She is chasing a "cash cow". no pun intended.
She is actually learning from the miners.
She maybe unpopular at the moment, but she was never stupid!
joea

 

[startrader]

MrBurns
I was thinking about this myself.
It just does not stand up to scrutiny.
The following link, if it opens, suggest something of a bigger order.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/labor_china_food_bowl_plan_VOZQjQXmlHZ1Pay7ExK74J

joea

This is truly frightening. With Labor in control of anything we can expect it to be an unmitigated disaster. So if they are contemplating allowing large scale investment by Chinese agricultural interests in undeveloped land here the winner out of this will be China, not us, and I hate to think of the damage that will be done in unimagined ways. Just mind boggling what this pathetic government has done to this country in a few short years.

 

[joea]

This is truly frightening. With Labor in control of anything we can expect it to be an unmitigated disaster. So if they are contemplating allowing large scale investment by Chinese agricultural interests in undeveloped land here the winner out of this will be China, not us, and I hate to think of the damage that will be done in unimagined ways. Just mind boggling what this pathetic government has done to this country in a few short years.

+1

About 20 years ago I was talking to Bob Katter, and he was rattling on about bringing the southern food bowl to the north of Australia where the water is.
There have been some challenges in the Ord, but this is the logical place to start.
It appears a transition may be about to start.
joea

 

[MrBurns]

Just watching question time, it's a damn farce and it's all Labors doing, insulting BS on and on just wasting time, Gillard makes you sick just to listen to her.

 

[Klogg]

Just watching question time, it's a damn farce and it's all Labors doing, insulting BS on and on just wasting time, Gillard makes you sick just to listen to her.

I am a Lib voter, but both sides of politics are fairly poor. I just want decent policy, I don't care where it comes from!

Labor is much further ahead on the failure count though...

 

[MrBurns]

I am a Lib voter, but both sides of politics are fairly poor. I just want decent policy, I don't care where it comes from!

Labor is much further ahead on the failure count though...

Gillards manner in question time is disgusting, Albanese likewise, just immature school yard insults.

 

[waza1960]

The thing that pings me off is that the royalty from the miners is all that is keeping this government afloat with its excessive spending.
So Gillard for short term political gain kicks the very sector that she should be
grateful for.
Just wait until China really slows down and commodity prices take a tumble watch the Budget blow out then unfortunately she probably won't be around by then to take the heat.

 

[joea]

I am a Lib voter, but both sides of politics are fairly poor. I just want decent policy, I don't care where it comes from!

Klogg
Fair enough.
Now which side would you believe? That they would implement those particular policy's.
joea

 

[joea]

The thing that pings me off is that the royalty from the miners is all that is keeping this government afloat with its excessive spending.

I think that very shortly there will be a fair sort of a B-B-Q at an airstrip in WA.
Twiggy will be providing the entertainment with his boys.(dancing and such)
Present.. Gina, Rio, BHP, cattle guy, small miners etc.etc.
Barnett and some of his clan.
Topic ...How much more of this c**p are we going to take from this government??

The steaks will be big as they will be from some beast still waiting in line to go to
Indonesia.
joea

 

[Eager]

The thing that pings me off is that the royalty from the miners is all that is keeping this government afloat with its excessive spending.

I am not sure, and therefore happy to stand corrected, but isn't it the States that collect royalties and not the Federal government?

 

[Julia]

I am not sure, and therefore happy to stand corrected, but isn't it the States that collect royalties and not the Federal government?

That's my understanding also, but the MRRT is a Federal government initiative.
Apart from the actual revenue to either State or Federal government, it seems pretty foolish to be bagging in any way the country's most productive industry.

Presumably the tactic has derived from Labor's realisation that it needs to shore up support from its traditional working class voters, and they have (misguidedly imo) decided the way to do this is to insult those wealthy people who run mining companies.

It seems to cut across the philosophy of encouraging aspiration to me, but perhaps I don't know what goes on in the minds of Gillard's "working families".
I do recall, however, that they switched to John Howard in droves.

 

[noco]

Just watching question time, it's a damn farce and it's all Labors doing, insulting BS on and on just wasting time, Gillard makes you sick just to listen to her.

As I mentioned on a previous post, if we had an unbiased speaker in the chair who would just stand up to the Prime Minister and other Labor Ministers who refused to answer a questions with honesty and integrity, then they should be switched off and told to sit down.

This is where the farce begins and ends . The deputy speaker is definely biased towards Labor.

In the light at times of Peter Slipper's eccentric behavior, he did exactly what a speaker should do and that is to be unbiased.

 

[dutchie]

Tanya Plibersek was on TV yesterday blaming Abbott for the nastiness etc in parliament.

Then...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lectorate-office/story-fn7q4q9f-1226377797502


What a pathetic hypocrite she is. So typical of Labor.

 

[joea]

In the light at times of Peter Slipper's eccentric behavior, he did exactly what a speaker should do and that is to be unbiased.

+1
And at the moment Labor are ignoring the speaker as they see fit.
They show no respect for the position, and that is why parliament is turning into a fiasco.
The current speaker is not strong enough, and is struggling to do the job required of her.
joea

 

[rumpole]

Gillards manner in question time is disgusting, Albanese likewise, just immature school yard

She doesn't generally answer questions directly, but those she has answered have exposed Abbott's tactics on the carbon tax as crude scaremongering.

Apart from the actual revenue to either State or Federal government, it seems pretty foolish to be bagging in any way the country's most productive industry.

Presumably the tactic has derived from Labor's realisation that it needs to shore up support from its traditional working class voters, and they have (misguidedly imo) decided the way to do this is to insult those wealthy people who run mining companies.

I support the mining tax, but I don't believe there is any need to go into a verbal war with the mining industry. The behaviour of Rinehart and Palmer has amply demonstrated the sort of people they are. The governments job is to maximise the national interest from the mining and other industries, and without sufficient taxation revenue from mining, all the nation will be left with when they are finished is a lot of holes in the ground.