The Gillard Government

joea · 12 April 2012

StumpyPhantom said:
This is the ABSOLUTE truth. The do refuse, but the more interesting question is WHY?

Having grown up in Labor heartland and now completely disenchanted, I wonder if this theory resonates with anyone out there?

Stumpy.
There are plenty off us out there! Its just that we have come to a conclusion that Gillard thinks she knows more about what we want, how we would like to live and how we would like to treat our neighbour and fellow worker.( be they labor or coalition voters)
We the voter have no say. She is the Prime Minister, and because of her step up into that position, she now regards us as the tax payer. We are a number.
She thinks that she has dominance over all our rational thinking and our lives.
But one day in the future, we the voter will be given the opportunity to show our discontent. We the Queenslander's spoke at the state election, and we will be given another opportunity to sort out Federal Politics.
I can assure you that it will be more decisive, than the fact, will Gillard remains a politician.?

I am confident the Australian voter has had enough of Labor in Federal POLITICS.
Julia may have a "smart lip":, but we will deliver a smart vote without uttering a word at the next federal election.
And as "Forrest Gump" said, " that's all I have got to say about that.
joea

Julia · 12 April 2012

StumpyPhantom said:
The 2 real Labor statesmen since Rudd became PM have been marginalised. John Faulkner continues to try, speaking his mind behind closed doors but he is ignored. Lindsay Tanner gracefuly exited on the day Rudd got knifed without causing a ripple.

+1. If John Faulkner and Lindsay Tanner were running the party it would be a whole different story.

Eager said:
I'm happy to stand corrected.

For some reason I have memories of someone in opposition, more than likely Abbott, supporting the concept until it became obvious that it was not legally tenable. Can't find a link to support my memory though!

Maybe just some wishful thinking, huh Eager?

Certainly it would have greatly simplified and enhanced the government's standing had the Libs endorsed the Malaysia Solution and many Liberal supporters did think Tony Abbott should have taken a more conciliatory stand on this.
But, as always, the politics of the situation won out.

Calliope · 12 April 2012

Eager said:
. Can't find a link to support my memory though!

That's because it is a lie.

Eager · 12 April 2012

Calliope said:
That's because it is a lie.

Not that your comments normally warrant a response Collopy, but I did not intentionally lie, or attempt mischief.

This is not the first time that a blind 'righty' has found to be incapable of taking things on face value.

Calliope · 12 April 2012

Eager said:
This is not the first time that a blind 'righty' has found to be incapable of taking things on face value.

Would that be the shifty face you have chosen for your avatar? It is spot on.

rumpole · 13 April 2012

The 2 real Labor statesmen since Rudd became PM have been marginalised. John Faulkner continues to try, speaking his mind behind closed doors but he is ignored. Lindsay Tanner gracefuly exited on the day Rudd got knifed without causing a ripple.

Aree. I'd also add Barry Jones who also just disappeared from the Party with hardly a ripple.

Labor don't tend to keep their thinkers do they ? And the thinker of the Liberal Party is in a minor portfolio where he hardly ever does any communicating.

Calliope · 13 April 2012

rumpole said:
And the thinker of the Liberal Party is in a minor portfolio where he hardly ever does any communicating.

The problem is that the "thinker" you are referring to, is more aligned to the thinking of your mob than to the Liberals.

rumpole · 13 April 2012

Calliope said:
The problem is that the "thinker" you are referring to, is more aligned to the thinking of your mob than to the Liberals.

Funny, I keep hearing that the Liberal Party is a "broad church" where all opinions are welcomed and respected.

Let's remember that Malcolm only lost the leadership by one vote, so maybe there are a lot more 'traitors' in the Libs than you may like to believe.

Calliope · 13 April 2012

rumpole said:
Funny, I keep hearing that the Liberal Party is a "broad church" where all opinions are welcomed and respected.

If you believe that, you are very naive indeed. Geeenies and pinkos cannot to be trusted.

StumpyPhantom · 13 April 2012

joea said:
Stumpy.
We the voter have no say. She is the Prime Minister, and because of her step up into that position, she now regards us as the tax payer. We are a number.
She thinks that she has dominance over all our rational thinking and our lives.
But one day in the future, we the voter will be given the opportunity to show our discontent. We the Queenslander's spoke at the state election, and we will be given another opportunity to sort out Federal Politics.
I can assure you that it will be more decisive, than the fact, will Gillard remains a politician.?

joea

Joea - will you be disappointed if you don't get the opportunity to vote in the 2013 Federal election with Gillard as PM and they replace her with someone to "save the furniture"? You and me (and others) have obviously got our kerosene and matches ready to burn the whole house down...

Eager · 13 April 2012

Calliope said:
Would that be the shifty face you have chosen for your avatar? It is spot on.

Avatar wars! Cool!!!!

You don't remember Boris Badenov? He was a fictional cartoon character and as such made the world a happ....oh, forget it, there is obviously no humour with the liberal party.

Anyway, I note with your avatar that no-one is actually steering. it's a bit like the lights being on but no-one is home.

Calliope · 13 April 2012

Eager said:
Avatar wars! Cool!!!!

You don't remember Boris Badenov? He was a fictional cartoon character and as such made the world a happ....oh, forget it, there is obviously no humour with the liberal party.

Not "Cool" - just juvenile. I can understsnd that you feel bad about being caught out telling porkies. However this is standard practice with your mob. If they cannot dig up some dirt on an opponent, they will make it up. It could rebound - ask ex-premier Bligh.

MrBurns · 13 April 2012

Bob Brown has resigned.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

dutchie · 13 April 2012

MrBurns said:
Bob Brown has resigned.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

I think his mental breakdown has come to a head.

Otherwise the Martians have hypnotised him to quit.

joea · 13 April 2012

StumpyPhantom said:
Joea - will you be disappointed if you don't get the opportunity to vote in the 2013 Federal election with Gillard as PM and they replace her with someone to "save the furniture"? You and me (and others) have obviously got our kerosene and matches ready to burn the whole house down...

+1
Stumpy.
With the state election I followed sports bet. It was more accurate than the media.

For Federal Election.
Coalition $1.26
Labor $3.65

Leaders Coalition
Abbott $1.25
Turnbull $4.00

Labor
Gillard $1.33
Shorten $5.00

I understand things can change. But Shorten is not ready.
Gillard is already growing her fingernails in case anybody gets close.
joe

drsmith · 13 April 2012

MrBurns said:
Bob Brown has resigned.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

One happy camper today will be Martin Ferguson.

StumpyPhantom · 13 April 2012

drsmith said:
One happy camper today will be Martin Ferguson.

Yeah - he can't call Christine Milne a basket weaver - not without getting his tongue ripped out anyway!

Eager · 16 April 2012

Calliope said:
Not "Cool" - just juvenile. I can understsnd that you feel bad about being caught out telling porkies. However this is standard practice with your mob. If they cannot dig up some dirt on an opponent, they will make it up. It could rebound - ask ex-premier Bligh.

I find your remarks offensive. You have directly called me a liar.

I made the mistake of assuming that since the opposition and the Government were in broad agreeance of offshore processing, this initially included the Malaysia Solution until it was deemed illegal. Obviously, when the High Court made their decision in this matter, the Opposition took full advantage; I took that as a convenient backflip on their previous position. I have since researched and found that wasn't the case. Now, I do not thoroughly digest every skerrick of media coverage regarding immigration policy/asylum seeker/refugee issues because I'm simply not hung up about it like your mob, so this broad agreeance between both sides was foremost in my mind.

Why I should ever really have to justify myself to you is something that I'm questioning as I write, but I guess I do so to demonstrate that YOU have jumped to an unreasonable conclusion.

I look forward to the day when YOU grow out of YOUR juvenile state to develop the quality of humility instead, and furthermore, I accept your apology!

drsmith · 16 April 2012

Eager said:
I made the mistake of assuming that since the opposition and the Government were in broad agreeance of offshore processing, this initially included the Malaysia Solution until it was deemed illegal. Obviously, when the High Court made their decision in this matter, the Opposition took full advantage; I took that as a convenient backflip on their previous position. I have since researched and found that wasn't the case. Now, I do not thoroughly digest every skerrick of media coverage regarding immigration policy/asylum seeker/refugee issues because I'm simply not hung up about it like your mob, so this broad agreeance between both sides was foremost in my mind.

A somewhat convoluted way of admitting that you made it up.

There's no reasonable defence for Labor in relation to its current predicament on asylum policy. As I have said before, Labor and its partners in government command a majority in both houses.

Julia · 16 April 2012

[In the interest of fairness, this is what Eager originally said:

Didn't Abbott back the Malaysia solution until it hit that legal hurdle?

Then Sails (a Liberal supporter) said:

sails said:
I can't remember, but Abbott can hardly be blamed for Gillard refusing to re-instate the Pacific Solution which WORKED.

So Sails couldn't remember either what exactly the opposition's stance was on this at the time.
So it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me that a Labor voter couldn't either exactly remember the state of political play at that stage.

When I then made a post making it clear Abbott had never, ever supported the Malaysia Solution Eager said:

Eager said:
I'm happy to stand corrected.

For some reason I have memories of someone in opposition, more than likely Abbott, supporting the concept until it became obvious that it was not legally tenable. Can't find a link to support my memory though!

As someone who often half remembers something but who is hazy on the detail, I'd have thought it would be reasonable to take Eager at face value here, instead of hurling insults?

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