The Gillard Government

DB008 · 4 February 2012

trainspotter said:
SHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! it's a secret !

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...y-be-kept-secret/story-e6frfku0-1226262178487

And from the article....

Since 2009 Fair Work Australia (FWA) has been examining allegations of financial irregularities at the union formerly headed by Mr Thomson, now the MP for the NSW seat of Dobell.

2009? WTF......Bushfires and Floods didn't take that long to get investigated.

JTLP · 4 February 2012

Just saw some Labor backbencher on TV (pretty chubby bloke) saying that Gillard has lost credibility. They then had an excerpt of Penny Wong saying "Julia Gillard has the full support of the Labor Party. It is Tony Abbott who has lost credibility".

LOL - Tony didn't even make the comment. Labor are literally clutching at straws now

sptrawler · 4 February 2012

The S.M.H and the Age seem to be pushing this change of leadership more than the Australian, seems a bit strange.
Also Bob seems to be unusually quiet, maybe feels there is a lot of labor votes to be picked up.
From the greens position, they have achieved everything they wanted from gillard, time to jump ship.
Well done Bob.
I see Oakeshott and Windsor are flapping around like they've been 'dacked'.
They should have followed Wilkies lead and put a bit of backfill in the hole they have dug for themselves.
Well done Andrew. hope you got enough distance between yourself and Julia.
I doubt it.

Calliope · 4 February 2012

sptrawler said:
The S.M.H and the Age seem to be pushing this change of leadership more than the Australian, seems a bit strange.

Not strange at all. Peter Hartcher is the political editor and international editor of The Sydney Morning Herald. He has always been a crony of Rudds. Rudd always planted his anti-Gillard leaks with Hartcher.

drsmith · 4 February 2012

Intrinsic Value said:
Soooner or later there needs to be some rationalisation of all these govt handouts. I am not saying there shouldn't be any benefits but the it patently ridiculous now and completely unsustainable.

That comes when the economic crap hits the fan.

Till then, both sides just want to keep the party going.

noco · 4 February 2012

Well, the media are in a frenzy, the Labor MP's are running around like chooks with heads chopped off but they keep saying what is the problem? We all love JU-LIAR, even Kevin Rudd loves Julia.Even Bill Shorten says, Julia will remain leader of the Labor Party, Julia will lead the Labor Party to the next election and he(Bill Shorten) does not want to be Prime Minister.

They can't keep her and they can't get rid of her.

Can't wait for Parliament to start next Tuesday. Who will be the best circus performer?

Gillard
Rudd
Swan
The faceless men.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-in-for-the-chop/story-e6freooo-1226262309080

Julia · 4 February 2012

Eager said:
You are, by not accepting your pension when it is due. You won't really need it, so why take it if in fact you are eligible?

I expect Intrinsic Value will be self funded when retirement comes along so will be means tested out of the pension anyway.
How about as an alternative, and just for a little start, the bloody politicians not going for their 30% pay rise? How utterly insulting to all the people on low incomes trying to budget for such nonsense as the coming carbon tax!

sptrawler said:
Also Bob seems to be unusually quiet, maybe feels there is a lot of labor votes to be picked up.

Bob Brown knows he needs to say nothing. There will be many who are disillusioned by Labor and the Independents, yet dislike Tony Abbott, who will drift to the Greens purely by default. God help us all.

noco · 4 February 2012

Julia said:
I expect Intrinsic Value will be self funded when retirement comes along so will be means tested out of the pension anyway.
How about as an alternative, and just for a little start, the bloody politicians not going for their 30% pay rise? How utterly insulting to all the people on low incomes trying to budget for such nonsense as the coming carbon tax!

Bob Brown knows he needs to say nothing. There will be many who are disillusioned by Labor and the Independents, yet dislike Tony Abbott, who will drift to the Greens purely by default. God help us all.

+1 Yes Julia, but I don't think God can really.

sptrawler · 4 February 2012

Eager said:
You are, by not accepting your pension when it is due. You won't really need it, so why take it if in fact you are eligible?

Well actually Eager, Our system was the U.K system, where everyone who payed taxes through their working life qualified for a basic pension(they had payed for it).
Our governments in their infinite wisdom decided, if you have saved money why should the government give you money.So the means test was introduced, where if you had saved money the pension would be scaled back accordingly.
Now, from what you read in the papers, the next step is to remove the pension untill you have spent your super.
What a joke, we are in great shape says Swan, when the U.K still doesn't means test the pension, Holland doesn't and the pension age in Greece is 55. That's not super age, that's government pension age.
But what do we hear, our economy is the envy of the world. What a joke out pension age is going up to 67 our marginal tax rates are going up, our manufacturing is going down the gurgler. The goon show rolls on.
The sooner these fools go the better.IMO
They seem to be more interested in self preservation, than policy to further the plebs.
What do we call them collateral damage.LOL

joea · 5 February 2012

sptrawler said:
The S.M.H and the Age seem to be pushing this change of leadership more than the Australian, seems a bit strange.
Also Bob seems to be unusually quiet, maybe feels there is a lot of labor votes to be picked up.

sptrawler.
Bob Brown dictates to Julia Gillard, and controls the senate.
In the Malaysian deal he is letting Abbott take the heat.
When he does not want his name linked to something, he lets one of his two sidekicks do the "bleeting". When anything "hits the fan", he is always hiding behind the door.

That is why he is quite. Actually he is probably coolly calculating how he can get more mileage from the downfall of seats in the coming elections.
One thing for sure is, he will have a list of his top 10 moves this year.

After all he hasn't got much else to do, but strengthen his position and cause mischief.
joea

noco · 5 February 2012

joea said:
sptrawler.
Bob Brown dictates to Julia Gillard, and controls the senate.
In the Malaysian deal he is letting Abbott take the heat.
When he does not want his name linked to something, he lets one of his two sidekicks do the "bleeting". When anything "hits the fan", he is always hiding behind the door.

That is why he is quite. Actually he is probably coolly calculating how he can get more mileage from the downfall of seats in the coming elections.
One thing for sure is, he will have a list of his top 10 moves this year.

After all he hasn't got much else to do, but strengthen his position and cause mischief.
joea

The opinion polls are pointing to the age group 18 -25 who are looking at the Greens. Lets hope they show a bit of sense and delve into their policies and their idiology. I am sure more than half would have no idea.

Yes, you are right. Brown is very quiet ATM. Cunning as a S*^T HOUSE RAT.

noco · 5 February 2012

Wayne Swan has been crowing for weeks about how the Labor Government had keep unemployement down to a low of 5.2%.

But is he telling the TRUTH?

Not according to Roy Morgan who has established a figure closer to 10%.

So, which are the true statistics?

How are they figured?

If somebody works say 8 hours in a week, are they classified as being gainfully employed?

One should imagine, to being gainfully employed, 38 hours per week should be the norm.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...l/comments/just_how_high_is_our_unemployment/

Eager · 5 February 2012

noco said:
Wayne Swan has been crowing for weeks about how the Labor Government had keep unemployement down to a low of 5.2%.

But is he telling the TRUTH?

Not according to Roy Morgan who has established a figure closer to 10%.

So, which are the true statistics?

How are they figured?

If somebody works say 8 hours in a week, are they classified as being gainfully employed?

One should imagine, to being gainfully employed, 38 hours per week should be the norm.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...l/comments/just_how_high_is_our_unemployment/

Mischief.

The criteria for determining whether a person is employed or not has not changed through the ages or through successive governments.

todster · 5 February 2012

noco said:
Wayne Swan has been crowing for weeks about how the Labor Government had keep unemployement down to a low of 5.2%.

But is he telling the TRUTH?

Not according to Roy Morgan who has established a figure closer to 10%.

So, which are the true statistics?

How are they figured?

If somebody works say 8 hours in a week, are they classified as being gainfully employed?

One should imagine, to being gainfully employed, 38 hours per week should be the norm.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...l/comments/just_how_high_is_our_unemployment/

Have they changed the way they figure since Howard?

noco · 5 February 2012

todster said:
Have they changed the way they figure since Howard?

Good onya todster, typical reply, blame Howard. Why not blame Tony Abbott.

For gawd sake man, this government has been in power for 4.5 years, so why have they not changed the way it is done.

It is a pity the Labor Party did not follow the way Howard stopped the illegal boat people.

No it suits the Labor Party to follow on this method because it makes them look good. They would not have it any other way.

I read just recently, not sure on ASF or some where else, if Julia Gillard became pregnant, the Labor Party would blame Tony Abboott.

todster · 5 February 2012

noco said:
Good onya todster, typical reply, blame Howard. Why not blame Tony Abbott.

For gawd sake man, this government has been in power for 4.5 years, so why have they not changed the way it is done.

It is a pity the Labor Party did not follow the way Howard stopped the illegal boat people.

No it suits the Labor Party to follow on this method because it makes them look good. They would not have it any other way.

I read just recently, not sure on ASF or some where else, if Julia Gillard became pregnant, the Labor Party would blame Tony Abboott.

Well Howard had more than double that time to correct it

You sound like you should lie down for a bit

Julia · 5 February 2012

Eager said:
Mischief.

The criteria for determining whether a person is employed or not has not changed through the ages or through successive governments.

That's as I understand it also. For the almost 20 years at least that I've been living in Australia the unemployment stats have been arrived at in the same way.

Both sides of the political fence are equally guilty of trying to make those stats look better than they are.

noco · 5 February 2012

todster said:
Well Howard had more than double that time to correct it
You sound like you should lie down for a bit

Well, Gillard and Swan say they are the champions who get on with governing and getting things done. You know moving forrrrrrrrrward. No carbon tax etc.etc.

Only problem is they always spend three times more than is neccessary and of course they have "TERRIFIC CREDIBILITY". They don't lie and they don't welch on written deals.

That's why they are so popular with 30%. of the primary vote. Need I say anymore my friend.

Garpal Gumnut · 5 February 2012

My contact in the ALP Caucus in Canberra tells me that Rudd does not have the numbers, but the numbers are being run on some combination of Combet, Shorten and Bowen.

He further says it was like being at a funeral.

When I asked him how he was feeling. He said the whole day "****ted him to tears and he was going for a drink".

So it's all up in the air still.

Roll on next week.

gg

gg

sptrawler · 5 February 2012

todster said:
Well Howard had more than double that time to correct it
You sound like you should lie down for a bit

I am pretty sure the criteria for being classed as unemployed is changed often a bit like the criteria for being disabled and the criteria to get a pension. LOL,LOL,coughLOL.
Jeez todster you walked into that one, swallowed my teeth again, laughing that much.
Talking about pensions, funny how labor don't want guys youre age to get one untill your 67.
Yet the Pollies get the pension when they retire from office and it is completelly tax free and indexed for life, you don't hear them clamping down on that rort.
Nothing like having the moral high ground, hey.

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