The Gillard Government

joea · 2 February 2012

Julia said:
If Julia Gillard believes a challenge is definitely on, wouldn't she be better to get on with it now while it seems doubtful that Rudd has the numbers? If her popularity continues to decrease, more of her supporters will reluctantly swing to Rudd.

She also (and Rudd) will have to be careful not to let chaos erupt close to the Qld election.

The thought of Rudd coming back makes me feel quite ill, especially when so much of Labor in re-electing him is admitting they were wrong to shaft him. His pomposity and superciliousness will double.

Julia
I would think that Kevin will be doing his level best in the Qld. State Election to boost his popularity.
If he can, then we may see the challenge.

When and if there is a challenge, Thompson will probably be gone, Wilkie will withdraw his support, and then another can of worms will be opened with the Independents.

But I certainly agree Australia needs something sorted and quickly!
The Australian economy is being hurt badly!
joea

IFocus · 2 February 2012

drsmith said:
The Opposition lack economic clout, particularly with blockhead as Shadow Treasurer.

Oh I don't think you are being fair with Abbott claiming he will get rid of the great big carbon tax and then claims he will save revenue as a result............funny tax that one eh.

Just look the other way about the $4 bil hole

Malcolm Turnbull would be far better in this role, but as we all know, he's not a team player.

You mean he is not extreme right wing...........BTW Gina and Palmer are going to be calling the shots from now on any way.

drsmith · 2 February 2012

Better than Bob Brown. :

Julia · 2 February 2012

drsmith said:
Better than Bob Brown. :

+1.

sptrawler · 3 February 2012

IFocus said:
You mean he is not extreme right wing...........BTW Gina and Palmer are going to be calling the shots from now on any way.

For every action there is a reaction. Sadly as usual the only losers will be the plebs. No pension till 67, extra taxes, job losses.
The saving grace will be they will be breathing cleaner air, give me a break.

drsmith · 3 February 2012

.......and that crusty rusted on socialist, Lee Rhiannon.

drsmith · 3 February 2012

sptrawler said:
The saving grace will be they will be breathing cleaner air, give me a break.

Not much (cough) cleaner.

noco · 3 February 2012

So what has FWA got to hide by not making the report public?

I smell a 'rat'.

FWA are being instructed by Gillard.

Do anything to stay in power.

Maybe the Senate estimates committee may attempt to bring it out into the open.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...y-be-kept-secret/story-e6freonf-1226262178487

joea · 3 February 2012

Well I do not know about breathing cleaner air, but something is going on in Canberra.
I was thinking one of the cooks has slipped some "happy weed into the smoko biscuits".
The top "cogs in the wheels" will need a new pair of shoes if they keep the current activity up.
joea

Julia · 3 February 2012

noco said:
So what has FWA got to hide by not making the report public?

I smell a 'rat'.

FWA are being instructed by Gillard.

Do anything to stay in power.

Maybe the Senate estimates committee may attempt to bring it out into the open.

THE industrial umpire's final report into federal Labor MP Craig Thomson and the Health Services Union's finances may not be publicly released.

I can't see the Opposition letting FWA/the government get away with keeping the outcome under wraps.

sptrawler · 3 February 2012

Julia said:
I can't see the Opposition letting FWA/the government get away with keeping the outcome under wraps.

I agree wih you, Julia, the more they try to keep it under wraps the more they become involved.
It all becomes complicated, when you try to manipulate outcomes in a public forum, maybe something reflects badly on FWA. Who knows, why else they would want to suppress outcomes?
It doesn't matter if it reflects badly on the government, they can't look any worse.

sptrawler · 4 February 2012

Just wondering, if labor can get two or three through the P.M job before the next election, do they all get the pension on the new pay scale?

Whiskers · 4 February 2012

joea said:
Julia
I would think that Kevin will be doing his level best in the Qld. State Election to boost his popularity.
If he can, then we may see the challenge.

When and if there is a challenge, Thompson will probably be gone, Wilkie will withdraw his support, and then another can of worms will be opened with the Independents.

But I certainly agree Australia needs something sorted and quickly!
The Australian economy is being hurt badly!
joea

Yeah, I reckon he'll wait for the results of the Qld election... then if Bligh gets done, which I think is most likely partly as a backhander for Gillard and the Labor brand, but also for the rushed introduction by Qld Labor and turning a blind eye to longer term problems with fracking for coal seam gas ... then Rudd will weigh up his decision to stir the chook house.

As an aside... if you thought compulsary fluoridation was going to contaminate your water supply, just wait for all this fracking rubbish to infiltrate our rural and domestic water supplies and food chain.

Both Gillard and Bligh are in far too much financial debt ****, getting all starry eyed with the prospects of the mining boom and gas in particular to pull them out of financial red ink and black popularity polls, that they don't want to see the longer term damage to the rural landscape and water supplies and the contamination that will spoil water supplies, contaminate stock and maybe other foods that find their way onto your dinner plate.

trainspotter · 4 February 2012

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! it's a secret !

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...y-be-kept-secret/story-e6frfku0-1226262178487

joea · 4 February 2012

trainspotter said:
SHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! it's a secret !

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...y-be-kept-secret/story-e6frfku0-1226262178487

Yeah trainspotter, I have read that and my thoughts are that there is more than meets the eye. Like maybe other Labor people involved.
Maybe we can have an extension to the inguiry to get the truth.
After all it appears to be working in Qld with the dam. of course you have to complete the first one.
joea

trainspotter · 4 February 2012

The Labor hypocrites cannot afford to axe Thomson as they require his vote to hold Government. If he is guilty of misappropriation of Union funds it is a sackable offence and there would be a by election which they would lose in a landslide. Ergo no more Gillard Government. Also doesnt help that the inane independents have threatened to drop their support if there is a change in the Labor leadership !!

BAH !! HUMBUG !!

bellenuit · 4 February 2012

joea said:
Yeah trainspotter, I have read that and my thoughts are that there is more than meets the eye. Like maybe other Labor people involved.
Maybe we can have an extension to the inguiry to get the truth.
After all it appears to be working in Qld with the dam. of course you have to complete the first one.
joea

Could keeping the result a secret be a ploy?

Assume for a moment that the inquiry has already concluded there was no wrong doing (not implausible considering it is in their interests to have such an outcome). They keep the results secret knowing that the Libs/Nats will kick up a furore. They respond that there is nothing to hide and Labor claims that the Libs/Nats are just trying to taint the government with innuendo etc. This goes on for a few months, taking the headlines from other issues. FWA relents and releases the results. The government can claim that they were right all along about by the Libs/Nats motives and the Libs/Nats end up with egg on their face.

banco · 4 February 2012

bellenuit said:
Could keeping the result a secret be a ploy?

Assume for a moment that the inquiry has already concluded there was no wrong doing (not implausible considering it is in their interests to have such an outcome). They keep the results secret knowing that the Libs/Nats will kick up a furore. They respond that there is nothing to hide and Labor claims that the Libs/Nats are just trying to taint the government with innuendo etc. This goes on for a few months, taking the headlines from other issues. FWA relents and releases the results. The government can claim that they were right all along about by the Libs/Nats motives and the Libs/Nats end up with egg on their face.

It would leak for sure if they tried to keep it under wraps.

Intrinsic Value · 4 February 2012

Liberal or labor hard to know which one is worse?

If it weren't for the minerals boom Australia would be in same sorry state as most of the rest of the western democracies.

When is either of the parties going to rein all the government handouts that are dragging the economy down.

Family allowances, disability pensions, unemployment benefits, pension beneifts, single mothers benefits etc etc

Soooner or later there needs to be some rationalisation of all these govt handouts. I am not saying there shouldn't be any benefits but the it patently ridiculous now and completely unsustainable.

Who is going to stand up and do something about it?

Eager · 4 February 2012

Intrinsic Value said:
Who is going to stand up and do something about it?

You are, by not accepting your pension when it is due. You won't really need it, so why take it if in fact you are eligible?

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