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Astounding revelation isn't it ?Liddell power station closure contributed to higher energy prices, regulator says
By Alexander Lewis
Liddell power station closure contributed to higher energy prices, regulator says
The closure of the Liddell coal-fired power station in the NSW Hunter Valley in April has helped drive up energy costs, a new report shows.www.abc.net.au
Farmers up in arms over (or under) transmission lines.
Renewable energy projects are spreading across the landscape but not everyone is benefiting
A once-in-a-generation transition is happening in rural Australia, but the big switch to renewables is worrying some farmers.www.abc.net.au
The big problem is the usual suspects preying on those without knowledge of all this stuff and scaring the **** out of them.Farmers up in arms over (or under) transmission lines.
That is becoming a huge problem in Australia, the days of 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'.The whole of society seems to have become rather entitled these days. Whatever happened to the greater good?
And this is borne out by the problems trying to get a wave generator going in the Kimberly.We've fallen a long way, at least in terms of planning and the desire to serve the public, from the days of projects like this:
Total capacity of the station on that day of its official opening was just 15MW, comprised of a single 30MW machine with only one boiler in operation at that point. When completed "A" station was 3 x 30MW using six boilers all up.
During the first half of the 1960's "B" station was progressively commissioned right next to "A" station. B consisted of 4 x 60MW and six boilers so 240 MW in total.
1985 another new station commenced operation immediately to the south, 2 x 250 MW, bringing total site capacity to 830 MW. Later tweaks brought this station up to 2 x 273MW.
All gone and demolished now and whilst I'm not in any way against technical progress, the bit about serving the public seems to be completely lost these days unfortunately.
$375 million project to utilise one of the world's biggest tides to produce electricity has hit a stalemate with the federal government after decade-long delays.
Key points:
- Decade long delays to Derby Tidal Project continue
- The federal government waits on further information about environmental risks
- The future of the project remains uncertain with Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Laws in play
The Derby Tidal Project, headed by Tidal Energy Australia, was to be located at Doctor's Creek near the outback town in WA's Kimberley region.
Designs for the project involve utilising Derby's 11-metre tides – one of the largest in the world — to produce up to 40 megawatts of electricity.
In its proposal, the project offered a 120-year life, lower electricity costs and renewable energy options for the region.
But decade-long delays with the federal government have thrown plans off course.
Managing Director Brian Rourke said technicalities had held up progress.
"They keep saying they haven't got enough information to make an informed decision, but they won't tell us what they need to make an informed decision."
Environment advocacy groups claim endangered marine species in the area and the risk to sensitive river structures could be the reason behind the setback.
However, Mr Rourke said the necessary checks and assessments had been provided.
"The Commonwealth don't seem to want to accept the monitoring study," he said.
"The federal government's always saying they want to go for renewable energy.
And this is borne out by the problems trying to get a wave generator going in the Kimberly.
From ABC News
The problem is, its always in someome elses backyard.
Mick
This is Australia, where the ones who shout the loudest gain the ear and the meek shall inherit the bill. ? ?The environment and cultural heritage, the biggest barriers to providing cheap and reliable power(and other infrastructure).
Neither should be dismissed, but there must be some mechanism to air the issues then resolve them within a reasonable time frame, with the government being able to make the final decision without having others dragging the cases through the courts ad infinitum.
I wonder on what assumptions AGL have been working to get a return on investment on this installation.Video is self-explanatory.
I'll just add that the site is about 15km north-west of the Adelaide CBD, so the outskirts of the metropolitan area, and has long been a power generation hub with the Torrens Island A (closed 2021), Torrens Island B (75% operational), Barker Inlet (fully operational) and Quarantine (fully operational) power stations also physically located on Torrens Island.
Quarantine being owned by Origin. The others and the battery all owned by AGL.
ElectraNet owns and operates the transmission network only (does not own any generation).
Technically the battery is 250MW with 250MWh storage so 1 hour at maximum discharge rate but that's expandable to 1000MWh storage so 4 hours at constant maximum discharge. At this stage AGL haven't committed to any expansion but the design and site layout facilitates that being added at a future time.
AGL have publicly stated the budget for the project in its present form is $180 million. Bearing in mind it's a commercial investment, that is it's not underwritten or guaranteed by government etc.
And here's the transformer referred to in that video on its way from Melbourne. We still make things like this in Australia yes:
The first entrants will be able to sign up as much storage as they can put in, it will come later when getting guaranteed will become difficult, for now AGL will be killing it IMO.I wonder on what assumptions AGL have been working to get a return on investment on this installation.
Do they get some sort of gaurantee for price/output over time to make it worthwhile, or do they take pot luck and hope there is enough shortage to allow them to pump storage back into the grid at high prices.
Mick
Like the AGL battery site, I would love to see the economic models that underpin this decision, and what volumes of electricity they expect 9or are guaranteed), and at what prices.“We are building a 460MW, two-hour battery at Eraring and we will probably replicate that in every state and we will probably do that as fast as we can execute,” Mr Calabria told Free Electrons 2023, a global energy start-up program held in Sydney this year.
“We have a market that is probably the most attractive for the spread between high and low prices on a daily basis. You’re moving from zero to $200, and on a cloudy day it can be $200 the whole day. We have a market that is extremely dynamic and that represents a great opportunity for us.”
Australia’s wholesale electricity price – the cost of generating electricity – can swing wildly throughout the day, primarily due to the country’s high uptake of rooftop solar. During sunny days, the wholesale price is often zero and can sometimes be negative. A battery could be charged during this period and an operator receive a fee for doing so. The battery would then be discharged when the sun sets and the cost of wholesale electricity rises.
Mr Calabria said Origin’s immediate battery focus was on Eraring, with an expansion of the battery likely before turning to other sites.
Origin has said the capacity of the battery at Eraring could be increased to 700MW.
Origin energy, which has already committed to spending $600million to develop a 460MW battery at the Eraring site, and now it says it will replicate this two battery across the rest of the NEM, although it will likely increase the battery size to 77MW before it starts on other areas.
From Evil Murdoch press
Like the AGL battery site, I would love to see the economic models that underpin this decision, and what volumes of electricity they expect 9or are guaranteed), and at what prices.
Mick
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