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It's by far our biggest economic and military vulnerability in my view. An extremely high level of dependence on fuel from places like the Middle East (a pretty unstable region) and we're the ONLY developed country without a stockpile either government owned or privately owned under a government mandate.Interesting that Jim Molan has bought up the question of a lack of fuel stockpiles which Smurf raised some time ago.
There's a lot of people saying the battery can only supply 30,000 homes and so on.
At peak demand that's about right but I look at it a very different way.
The battery can supply 100 MW into the grid. That's about 3% of the whole of SA's maximum load and compares to the largest generator in the grid at 239 MW so it's not insignificant.
Angaston, Lonsdale, Port Lincoln, Ladbroke Grove, Mintaro and Snuggery power stations (all in SA) are each individually smaller than the battery in terms of peak output. On an individual generator basis Dry Creek's 3 machines and 4 out of the 5 units at Quarantine power station are also smaller.
Back to houses, well if we take a typical household in SA then the battery could supply 175,000 of them for 77 minutes which again is not insignificant given that's enough time to start from cold any open cycle gas turbine or diesel generator and it's roughly a quarter of all houses in SA that could typically be supplied for that time.
I don't see batteries like this one as a total solution by any means, first because it stores electricity but does not produce it as such and second because it's a relatively expensive means of storage, but it has a role to play. It's not insignificant in scale by any means and it could, of course, be easily duplicated and given the nature of batteries subsequent installations could be located practically anywhere. Could even go in the Adelaide CBD if not for the cost of land likely being too high for that to be sensible but there's none of the siting issues that apply to any form of power station as such.
Cheers Smurf. A $550 Mill energy plan for South Australians, of which $50 Mill to subsidize the Tesla batteries, which would supply 30,000 home for one hour. One hour. If they happen to be charged up at the time.
Pity the poor South Australian taxpayer. Actually all Australian taxpayers, as the GST is redistributed to these wastrels.
"I find it truly ridiculous that we've got problems with electricity and gas despite having abundant means of supply for both in our own backyard... (Smurf)". Ain't that the truth.
I believe you have misunderstood the role of the 100 mw battery bank. It is there to stop sudden collapses of the power system when larger generaters fail and load smooth. If you read the article in full that becomes very clear. What was particularly important was it's capacity to come on line almost instantly.
"I believe you have misunderstood the role of the 100 mw battery bank. It is there to stop sudden collapses of the power system when larger generaters fail and load smooth." (Basilio)
For just 30,000 SA homes, for one hour!
Mind you, at $50Mill it's been cheaper than estimates on Malcolm and Josh's Snowy 2.0 roulette wheel - $2Bill .. no $4Bill .. no $10Billion, and rising. Never going to happen.
Smurf said correctly, that the Musk bank 'isn't massive', and made no mention of the $50Mill price tag. Don't distort Smurf's words to suit your personal agenda.Why not check out Smurfs analysis of how the battery bank works Logique and the value it offers to stabilising the SA power system.
Really we have one of the most honest and insightful energy specialist inour forum. Bit of waste of resources if we can't respect his skills.
Smurf said correctly, that the Musk bank 'isn't massive', and made no mention of the $50Mill price tag. Don't distort Smurf's words to suit your personal agenda.
$50 million compared to what ?
That is exactly right.
The battery is a very expensive, very limited in its ability for longer term outages, and will require replacement in a relatively short time( in electrical generating plant terms).
Having said that it is probably very good for instantaneous frequency control, and it would reduce the incidence of load shedding, as long as there is some spinning reserve or fast start gas turbine generation available.
The problem is, the whole agenda is now being driven by crisis management, not by sensible long term planning.
Australia's whole electrical system is now more about the political outcome, than the delivery of a safe, secure and affordable electrical network.
Common sense, has gone completely out the window. IMO But then again isn't it happening on most fronts, everything is about smoke screens and mirrors, nothing is about the economy and how it will support our living standard.
God no don't talk about the economy, it reminds me of the Paul Hogan show, when 'Luigi the magician' stuffed up it was "dance Maria, dance Maria".
It smells like a looong, slooow, controlled, drop in living standards. IMO
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