That might be due to liberals under investment in the sector, but I can tell you, if we subtracted all the immigrant workers out of the medical system it would be worse, not better.Honestly I don't go doctors much at all but my son had a ear infection few months ago and every place (public) we tried to go or even get a teleconsulation was all full and booked out.
My wife also had some minor procedure done this year for which she was waiting over 1 year public as well.
Private was the only way to go with my son, that is my personal experience so not a big % of the population.
Back when I was a kid the doctor used to check the tonsils, listen to your chest make you caugh. The public doctors I have been to with my kids used google images for 'comparison and demonstration' purposes.
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Yes, but given that skills are a factor in whether a person is able to migrate, I believe that the average skill level of migrants is higher than locals.Probably a large number of patients in hospitals are immigrants or their children, parents or associated relatives, so I think the benefits of immigration has to take into account the costs as well.
yes but you will find the "successful lucky" ones, will try again, and again.Agreed. You have to make good decisions to get the luck. You can't sit on your @ss and end up with a great business.
Taleb's point is that if people take similar decisions, some will still do massively better than others, due to random factors.
Who's arguing for zero migration?Yes, but given that skills are a factor in whether a person is able to migrate, I believe that the average skill level of migrants is higher than locals.
Not to mention that the unskilled migrants tend to fill a lot of jobs that the average Aussie doesn’t want to do, on balance I think Australia has done very well from our immigrants, I myself am Australian born but from parents that migrated here in 1980, My father like many immigrants made his way by out working the “Aussies” and often for lower pay.
It's not just property prices.Absolutely but don't for one minute think that their policies are to fill the void for the the skills shortage. The main reason ( which was never the main driver anyway despite what many think) was to prop up property prices in their government sposored ponzi.
Only problem is that increasing migration again may not save property prices this time in Australia as well as many other western economies. A fundamental shift in trend is now taking place that is reversing decades long trends not just in real eastate but also the stock markets.
The proposed number of 190,000 per year has been in place since 2012, and has been stable at that over that time except for 2020 and 2021 due to covid, and the majority of the 190,000 have been skilled.Who's arguing for zero migration?
Why is the assumption of either zero migration or record numbers the only two options when talking about the level of migration?
according to a buddy doing an extension ( because his long time family friend can't get enough PROPER tradies )Agreed.
We already have a housing shortage, so why are builders going broke ?
Not because of a lack of demand but because of price increases that are pushing new buildings beyond affordability.
That won't change with increased demand unless builders cut costs and reduce quality.
Governments need to take a more holistic approach to skills shortages instead of the knee jerk reaction of increased immigration.
migrants from SOME nations yes i agree , however some seem to have non-genuine certification , maybe they need a accreditation test before being granted a visa ( so even if you don't get a genuine tradesman/skilled worker they can up-skill on the job , and get the desired outcome )Yes, but given that skills are a factor in whether a person is able to migrate, I believe that the average skill level of migrants is higher than locals.
The proposed number of 190,000 per year has been in place since 2012, and has been stable at that over that time except for 2020 and 2021 due to covid, and the majority of the 190,000 have been skilled.
So it’s not so much about “record high”, it’s more about getting back to normal.
We build about 50,000 new dwellings every three months in Australia, I don’t know about where you live, But hear in Brisbane there is new apartments going up all over the place, and house and land packages every where.I keep asking the question, "where are these people going to live ?".
Demand for housing is at record highs and builders are going broke, so an increase in demand is only going to make the situation worse.
People are living in shipping containers because they can't find or afford accommodation , and more people imports is going to make it even harder.
Actually the majority are skilled.migrants from SOME nations yes i agree , however some seem to have non-genuine certification , maybe they need a accreditation test before being granted a visa ( so even if you don't get a genuine tradesman/skilled worker they can up-skill on the job , and get the desired outcome )
We build about 50,000 new dwellings every three months in Australia, I don’t know about where you live, But hear in Brisbane there is new apartments going up all over the place, and house and land packages every where.
During the pandemic Australia’s population went down for the first time, we actually rely on immigration to maintain the population.
Plus temporary visas. What are they currently running at 550k?The proposed number of 190,000 per year has been in place since 2012, and has been stable at that over that time except for 2020 and 2021 due to covid, and the majority of the 190,000 have been skilled.
So it’s not so much about “record high”, it’s more about getting back to normal.
This is the problem. All those low skilled jobs they can't fill is a big part due to the cost of housing in regional areas. Fuel prices, sht pay and travelling 2 hours is off the agenda for many. Guess it's back to packing 10 to a 2 bedroom.We might build them but they are so expensive that many people can't afford to live in them.
I am pretty sure they are not just sitting empty, when they are completed they will be sold or leased, both the sale and lease prices are set by the market, and will be determined by market forces, as long as sale and lease prices are high, the market will be trying to produce as many as they can. (provided the government doesn't scare investors away)We might build them but they are so expensive that many people can't afford to live in them.
Yep, a strong rental market will keep the demand up in the building industry, and keep the big wheels turning, its all good news for the economy, As some one with investments in Iron Ore, Banking and Real estate its all good news IMO.Plus temporary visas. What are they currently running at 550k?
It's housing stock and rentals that are the problem. Nation wide rentals were something like 28,000.
We have building completion driving up stock. But in reality it will keep the shortage going.
No rentals have just as real a cost to the economy as well.
Yep, a strong rental market will keep the demand up in the building industry, and keep the big wheels turning, its all good news for the economy, As some one with investments in Iron Ore, Banking and Real estate its all good news IMO.
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