France median wage in Australian dollars is $60564.94and to compare vs other western countries, assuming this is proper figures but seems reasonable:View attachment 121778
17euro is 26AUD so that is the average hourly rate..just saying
and life in France is not cheap is it?
but French tradesmen do not drive 100k new utes, competing with Real Estates agents....That is definitively a factor in our property price, whether this hurts sensitivities or not.
I do not really care, let's them enjoy it why this last, and it will for a while as they are a key part of the electorate
like your link, demonstrate what needs to be demonstrated .Plumber = mechanical or process engineerAll my engineer buddies are multi millionaires so I'm the wrong guy to argue with. One actually said he got rich by buying big expensive equipment. Where as anyone could buy a hammer and drill.
Here's some stats remembering that these include subbies and sole traders. Also that the national average income in Australia, according to the ABS, is $88,140.
Here's the site actually:
https://www.traderisk.com.au/how-much-do-tradies-earn
Like I said to everyone that thinks they make too much. Grab a hammer and find out
Engineers earn that year on year. Tradies earn it in a good year. Not to mention sole traders are running a business still.like your link, demonstrate what needs to be demonstrated .Plumber = mechanical or process engineer
See below.I invite you now to compare the difference O/S and you will, surprise surprise discover that this is not replicated, and we have one of the most expensive housing in the world..This is what the thread is about.
Is there a link? definitively.
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as for grabbing an hammer I do...
I was thinking of doing plumbing at one stage. Then a guy came to fix our sewer pipe and I watched him up to his knees and armpits in ****. And so ended the dream.like your link, demonstrate what needs to be demonstrated .Plumber = mechanical or process engineer
I have no issue with manual work, I did my side while a student, even cleaning smelters etc, my point is just that some people do not want to admit that , as opposed to other countries, what we call tradies: the man and his Ford Ranger be he plumber, electrician, carpenter, bricklayer who is freelancing with retail housing construction is paid well above the pay scale they do in other countries including major western ones.Thread seems to have gone off the topic of property prices but for what it's worth, well I made quite a few $ back in the day operating a machine like this:
Just remember it's a big blade and a powerful motor. Not a job for those who rush and make mistakes.
Generic video that's not actually me.
No argument there but to look at both sides, it was largely those in suits who created the situation.I have no issue with manual work, I did my side while a student, even cleaning smelters etc, my point is just that some people do not want to admit that , as opposed to other countries, what we call tradies: the man and his Ford Ranger be he plumber, electrician, carpenter, bricklayer who is freelancing with retail housing construction is paid well above the pay scale they do in other countries including major western ones.
I have a suspicion strongly that they will..... starve that is..... for a time.Engineers earn that year on year. Tradies earn it in a good year. Not to mention sole traders are running a business still.
We are still 40% Labor to material same as any other country. Everything is expensive here and that's the real problem.
If it were just the fact that tradies priced more then we would see a blow out in the cost ratio. If people are willing to pay that much for housing then it's a supply issue.
I was just looking for houses in my local area and there are none on the market and possibly 3 rentals. Surrounding suburbs and its 2 houses for sale.
The other problem, they ain't making any more land where people want to live.
Tradies wages crash after a cycle and then you starve. And I mean literally starve.
Well it is true that housing is expensive because of tradies wages. However it's kind of chicken and egg stuff as everything is expensive. And the 40% Labor to material is still bang on.I have no issue with manual work, I did my side while a student, even cleaning smelters etc, my point is just that some people do not want to admit that , as opposed to other countries, what we call tradies: the man and his Ford Ranger be he plumber, electrician, carpenter, bricklayer who is freelancing with retail housing construction is paid well above the pay scale they do in other countries including major western ones.
And this has to have a major impact on housing in a country where most housing are still built piecemeal way with very limited prefab/manufactured components. So the input in this thread, after we can deny it, be it, as I say, I do not care...
Guaranteed. Just hard to pick the cycle anymore. Interest rates disappeared.I have a suspicion strongly that they will..... starve that is..... for a time.
Had thought most Civil Engineers these days were required to have their own indemnity insurance even as a private employee.An engineer can make a decent wage with no risk if he has a job. He can charge excessively if he owns a business.
of course, as do GPs, even in IT...Had thought most Civil Engineers these days were required to have their own indemnity insurance even as a private employee.
Some employers pay an allowance to assist in this matter.
Maybe just a NSW thing.
They do. The excess is usually 10% of the legal settlement if they **** something up too.Had thought most Civil Engineers these days were required to have their own indemnity insurance even as a private employee.
Some employers pay an allowance to assist in this matter.
Maybe just a NSW thing.
GP charge about $50 every 4 minutes.
I was told that by a doctor. You want to revisit what you said above?No problem here.Lets use the current Sidney Powell defamation defense. Good for just about anything.
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Haven't heard it paid for by a private employee.Had thought most Civil Engineers these days were required to have their own indemnity insurance even as a private employee.
Some employers pay an allowance to assist in this matter.
Maybe just a NSW thing.
Yeah let's talk about that over9k number plate. What's the back story on that.Can we all just agree that there are a lot of costs that go into running basically any business (ones that the customer usually doesn't see) and move on?
Not sure if you saw my other post but it wasn't actually me. I've lived in Melbourne before but don't now, have never had a number plate made, and have never owned a BMW.Yeah let's talk about that over9k number plate. What's the back story on that.
Oh and houses. There's nothing on the market so houses are going to go up more. No rentals either except for units
Ha Ha!! Excellent. So what do we have here ?I was told that by a doctor. You want to revisit what you said above?
Must have glossed over it.Not sure if you saw my other post but it wasn't actually me. I've lived in Melbourne before but don't now, have never had a number plate made, and have never owned a BMW.
Lately, I've actually been investigating all these "road registerable caravans" etc that can be set up on land without council permissions. If you live on acreage and can get them installed like I could/don't care that some randoms are living at the back of your property, the P/E is astounding. You can get a 50% ROI if you rent one one out.
The even sadder part is that most of them are actually bigger than a lot of the shoebox apartments that now exist (like the student housing posted earlier).
When you can buy a caravan with a secured loan from the bank for single digit interest, it's literal free money.
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