Bill M
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As Bill Gross recently said 'The days of getting rich quick by leverage are over'
And it's all about the appetite of Chinese investors for Oz property with leveraged yuan?
A similar thing happened 30 years ago with the Japanese buying up all and sundry on freshly printed yen, and we all know how that turned out.....and so too will the Chineses succomb from within as their economic model is terminally flawed.
I'm out then, putting a Melbourne unit on the market for now, see how we go........Brisbane & then Sydney to go....
To compare that with with Sydney and Melbourne is ridiculous. We don't have cane farms to sell, it is not FNQ, it is Sydney and Melbourne, totally different and with a big shortage of decent property, particularly of new apartments.
I am a buyer too, I want an apartment walking distance to a railway station, near shops, near water and I will pay what it takes to get it. The thing is there isn't enough stock around to fill our appetites. This is where real estate is lacking and what is available is expensive.
There is a lot of holes in your argument. Yes the Japanese lost a lot back in the 80's but what were they losing it on? It was sugar cane farms in the north of Queensland that they were hoping to develop into Golf Clubs but it all fell to pieces. It was also Gold Coast property, sounded good at the time hey?
To compare that with with Sydney and Melbourne is ridiculous. We don't have cane farms to sell, it is not FNQ, it is Sydney and Melbourne, totally different and with a big shortage of decent property, particularly of new apartments.
The Chinese investment now is in predominantly new dwellings, no requirement for approval from the FIRB. The thing is that there is bugger all stuff available in these 2 cites to buy. Tell me how that a brand new site can sell off the plan in 3 hours in these cities? How is it that in Gosford CBD a site was sold off the plan in 1 Month, total, all gone?
I am a buyer too, I want an apartment walking distance to a railway station, near shops, near water and I will pay what it takes to get it. The thing is there isn't enough stock around to fill our appetites. This is where real estate is lacking and what is available is expensive.
Back to the Chinese, I totally understand what they want, hey hang on it is the same as me. I can't say I blame them, most of them are citizens of Australia just like you and me.
End result, not enough supply in the good areas and this will force prices up.
You admit it's expensive yet you are desperate to buy? Sounds like a mania to me.
In my view the meaningful downturn (bust??) will come when the only thing holding oz prices up, Chinese investment, is curtailed because of problems with their own property bubble.
Property is but a dream for the average Australian resident.
As for lack of supply, you only have to look up to see the huge pipeline of new units going to come on stream over the next year, especially in the Melbourne CBD, Southbank etc and around Sydney between the CBD and the airport etc.
Try just getting an ordinary job and getting a 75k a year salary, starting from scratch, today, not with 20 years of experience behind you. That gives a better indication of the true state of things.
What has job seeking and salaries got to do with the future of Australian property prices? You might want to start a new thread on that.
Salarie have everything to do with it because they're what people use to buy houses
A housing investor is no better than a drug dealer, pimp or stand over man.
What has job seeking and salaries got to do with the future of Australian property prices?
What has job seeking and salaries got to do with the future of Australian property prices? You might want to start a new thread on that.
Oh yeah you are the person who said this.... nothing more needs to be said
I think it is a perfectly fair quote. Both make money off of the suffering of others and from making society a much worse place.
So MrMagoo,
We can take that as your declaration, that you will not be investing in property. Even if the "predicted" housing crash happens.
I also wonder if your good conscience, stops you from buying imported goods from 3rd world countries, such as the clothes you're wearing and the appliances you use in your $165 per week rental.
You know, human suffering and all?
How else do you contribute to making the world a better place? You could even enlighten us on what stocks you buy. I'm sure they're all focused on healing the world too.
C'mon enlighten us and share the love.
I think it is a perfectly fair quote. Both make money off of the suffering of others and from making society a much worse place.
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Trouble is, the Boomers actually did get this once you adjust for inflation and there's the problem. You can't blame today's young people for wanting the exact same deal the previous generations had, especially given that it's the older generation they have to hand the money to in order to buy their houses anyway.Cry me a riverWhat utter BS I have ever read in my entire life. Try working for a living and start at the bottom. The sheer arrogance of asking for 75k per annum straight off the bat is exactly what is wrong with the Australian society right now. Waaaaaahhhhhh like a spoiled kid with not enough toys to play with.
Trouble is, the Boomers actually did get this once you adjust for inflation and there's the problem. You can't blame today's young people for wanting the exact same deal the previous generations had, especially given that it's the older generation they have to hand the money to in order to buy their houses anyway.
The Boomer generation really seems to struggle to understand just how good they had it. House prices today, relative to wages, are literally DOUBLE what they paid and that's the problem.
I stand by what I said it is incredibly difficult to get a 75k a year salary
Look you might as well triple or quadruple it.
In many situations the living conditions are this :
Wages have halved and the house prices have doubled.
Once you factor in the cost of living, renting and other assorted expenses the wage of many workers for house buying purposes is essentially zero. They can't save a deposit fast enough and they can't get enough surplus income to save for investments because of the cost of living.
These are not unskilled workers either.
Even if you do save 10 or 20 grand ? Big deal. It is still not big enough for a deposit. Prices have already risen by more than that anyway.
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