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[barney]

I am not sure everyone's "beliefs" in the other areas are necessarily "bolted on."

I have no view on which political party is going to do a better job, so I choose the local candidate that I believe is most likely …. And again I agree with your sentiment.

A lot of people do tend to get wrapped up in their own dogma no doubt … In my small circle of friends and family I have noticed getting older has seemed to make many of them a bit more "negotiable", myself included.

I suspect a lot more people actually Vote with that same concept in mind … I certainly do

@Smurf1976 will no doubt clarify his own points, but I'm pretty sure you guys are actually on similar pages much of the time, even though you might be reading the book on different days

 

[Ann]

I have PUT you on ignore and unfortunately when I take you off it, up sprouts .. well poor me yet again.

Kahuna, if my posts distress you so much, then please leave me on Ignore. As they say, "if thine eye offends thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee."

It is never my intention to upset anyone with anything I post. When I post here I am simply making a point about something as I see it. I hadn't noticed you on ASF before a couple of weeks ago so I can assure you there is no animosity from my side.

 

[Ann]

For those who want to ignore general chat...

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/posts/954940/

This is such awesome information, bless PZ99! I now see I can do a whole host of Ignoring which does not involve Ignoring people. Kahuna said he had me on Ignore, I had no idea he was Ignoring me so that means I can put threads on Ignore without people knowing. I would just hate to offend people or diminish their value by letting people know what I have put on Ignore. However I will never Ignore a person. Brilliant!

Joe perhaps you could send a 'group' email letting people know they can Ignore stuff that irritates them. Perhaps a screen shot included in the email of where the Ignore buttons are. I have been around forever and had no idea. Peace Rocks!

 

[barney]

Ok … Playing Devil's advocate here for a change

If you are having issues with another punter/forum user … or a thread content in general …

Dare I say, that to put them/that/those/they on "Ignore" is an admission of defeat

For example .... If anyone has me on ignore … "I won"


Please bare in mind that the above is only meant with "good intent" … I think no one really needs to ignore anybody on an Internet Forum!

Seriously … In real life, you may actually find the person entertaining, or god forbid … attractive … and forgive them a multitude of personal failings

For example (again) .... If my wife had met me on an Internet Forum … I would not have a wife!!

But now she thinks I'm a legend …… (that's what I tell my mates anyway!)

I'm sounding very old here … but … lighten up folks … life is short!! …. 90% of the people I know in my "real life" who I disagree with, I really like

 

[Ann]

Dare I say, that to put them/that/those/they on "Ignore" is an admission of defeat

For example .... If anyone has me on ignore … "I won"

As I see it Barney it is not a win or lose thing. It is merely a discretionary decision as to what is the best input for your own interests. Is it psychologically beneficial for a more positive life or will it keep you in an anger state? One must look to one's own well being. Clearly I have upset one of the ASF members without meaning to. It would be in that person's best interest to put me on Ignore. Not win or lose, I would prefer they kept me on Ignore forever sooner than see them in distress.

 

[kahuna1]

Yep.

Well. it is sadly defeat I admit. Sometimes, one finds as hard as one tries no common ground. A set of nothing in common and no value of any sort being given to a discussion.

It does happen, whilst I learn a lot as others, myself included present one side of the equation, and having honestly looked at the stuff that is cut and pasted, not their own thoughts, own research and why the think the way they do, I sadly yep .... admit defeat.

At times, and having been voted the biggest looser on Hot copper in 2003 over one stock that is no longer around ... and bood off stage in front of 3,000 people at one conference in 2007 ... such is life.

As one wise person said here, and I agree, its not about being right .... or winning an argument ... or even getting people to agree.

For me, and I use some sites as a thinking out loud board, in many ways and on some sites its actually scientists reviewing or me reviewing them, a peer review. One agrees to disagree, you listen, accept it, at times change your position ... and everyone gains. Sadly, and it is common more ... on the internet that dogma ... or needing to be right ... and well just the plain windup that occurs.

Sadly, when I get trolled by some person with an apt name 30 times, I think its fair to say they will likely NEVER ever say or share something of value. Similar when I have had similar discussions with someone on 10 topics over 10 years, who is presenting theories based upon what "Mr Ed" the TV show said and how many times he stomped his hoof.

Life is finite and being, well, patient as one can, and differing views, knowledge and beliefs and understanding of any topic is a great thing and to be shared. When, its .... not ... and repeatedly not, if I pass someone clearly mentally disturbed in the street rambling and speaking incoherently, whilst if can I will help, I will however, not stop, take notes or note on what they say and take action.

A polite way of saying, we are all different and having just learnt the hard way how very different some peoples views on religion and compassion are, I do have boundaries and if its ignoring someone who is and has a tendency to be racist and or homophobic or Islamophobic, my own boundary is a welcome IGNORE on this site. In life I will walk away or tell them ... in person.

Am I declaring defeat ? Not listening to or being accepting of those who, well have a set of values that make me vomit in the case of the haters ? I just choose, I know wisely ... to use the ignore button.
If someone has a logic base and uses cut and paste, even when presented with some very detailed responses ... and I learn a lot from them ... and then cuts and pastes again and again, rubbish, ignoring the responses, on one hand they stir up an ants nest, and knowledge flows freely, but extreme frustration ... or is it a game ... or beliefs driving the person ... trolling ? Or is it beliefs ? Or whatever ...

Again, YEP I gladly declare defeat if that's what it is. I sadly have boundaries and I say with NO regret that I don't take the time to listen to someone ranting in the street.

I surrender ... IGNORE is bliss. Not in anger, sometimes admittedly with racists and so on ... with disgust ... but it saves sanity.


now the important stuff ... I still have not received the $75 million for the sale of the Harbor Bridge in Sydney !! We agreed !!

 

[Ann]

now the important stuff ... I still have not received the $75 million for the sale of the Harbor Bridge in Sydney !! We agreed !!

Damn, what a bugger!

 

[qldfrog]

an answer which got stuck about what should be or not in a stock forum
I use ignore and feel better for it so if anyone got trapped in a spiral of obsessive internet fight, answer is easy here
But it is not always easy to split what is economically relevant or not
Smurf quoted the thread about chinese influence in australia as a "Bad" one
I see it as critically important and relevant, China has replaced Japan
Its nfluence is hitting every aspect of our economy and so life, education, land and property/business purchase, huawei boycott, etc etc
So that thread is in my view very relevant
As for the right to say and express any idea, the day where Assange is arrested is a day where all freedom lovers should cry, however your opinion of the man is;
so let's not add more censorship..self imposed or not we are really turning into the dreaded USSR from my younger age
Where are the greens and labour when we need them?
Well not arround as Ali France has told us, she can not live in her electorate, not good enough for her..Thanks say Qldfrog who is living there

 

[barney]

Seriously Guys/Gals …. The intent of my previous post has gone MIA …….

Both of you obviously have a lot of good input to … "input" ……..

I really … truly … honestly .. do not understand how two intelligent people cannot sort out their differences on an Internet Forum …

You both have the opportunity to help ASF immensely if you sort this out .....

Please "Private Message" each other and talk about why and how you disagree .... and then, how and why you should go about sorting it out …… or not

Did I mention life is short ……

Enough from me …. I may be a Grandfather but I'm not old enough to tell others how to behave

 

[Ann]

I like Smurf, he states his case succinctly and walks away.
I think I shall just follow a wise man's trail.

 

[kahuna1]

Its not about anger

Or differences ... It is basically what I said. In some instances, and say someone who saw fit to be anti Islamic on a thread about the NZ events, I was not angry, I was disgusted, and chose and have chosen to ignore them.

If in my ignorance, I miss what they say, so be it.

At some stage, and I can see you missing this, its not about pride, or winning an argument. I really will never meet you, of anyone else. I don't need to be right, and know I am wrong I am totally willing and open to accept that, and hopefully its pointed out. Its how we learn. However ... presented the same argument back time and again .. at some stage .... you go ok ... and move on.

I have chose that option thanks to the ignore. I agree totally and embrace life is too short .... and having a pointless circular argument is where sometimes things end.

You have NO values or common thinking points, so be it. Having spent a lot of time with scientific types and peer review, being presented with medieval beliefs or faith based, or political party ... or dogmas which ... from a science based factual evidenced based examination are incorrect, it is what it is.

If my putting someone on ignore, rather than biting, or getting frustrated in some ways is misbehaving, sadly with the utmost respect, we are all different.

 

[Zaxon]

I do read general chat sometimes. It's like listening into the argument of the couple next door who are on their way to a divorce - a ready made soap opera.

 

[qldfrog]

As in life, and perhaps more on the internet, some people just release a platform, for example on global warming, as @Ann has demonstrated, there are instructions available on sites on how to spread the good word, and some people probably genuinely feel their duty to parrot.
You can not have a discussion there, similarly on politics, or any religion

Basically when beliefs are involved:
Facts are useless and discussions useless with the believers but luckily while more prone to flooding threads, they are not alone and many reasonable opinions exists

I found this especially true here on pure religion, GW, migration, islam and left -right political divide
But i disagree with you @barney as i believe ignore will still allow you to follow some threads which are unreadable otherwise..
And learn some facts,and share views
But i agree that if reading raw threads, with pages of cut and paste articles from propaganda./the guardian .(why on earth not use a link),well, then yes it is unbearable and painful.
Learn to use ignore, life is too short. In any way the worst culprits in term of propaganda agenda spewing do not often contribute much in term of financial technical input
And anyone can feel free to include me among the above!!!

 

[rederob]

Basically when beliefs are involved:
Facts are useless and discussions useless with the believers but luckily while more prone to flooding threads, they are not alone and many reasonable opinions exists

When beliefs are involved, treat them as mere beliefs.
The problem in most forums is that some posters cannot separate facts (in the epistemological sense) from beliefs.
The bigger issue that I see in the general forums is that a number of consistent posters ignore evidence or refuse to accept it.
I agree that some threads are littered with "flooded" information, ad nauseum. I personally seldom read them.
I also place little store in opinions. "In my opinion Labor should win the federal election" is chaff, while the wheat is in the polling data which ask meaningful questions and use sophisticated statistical techniques to reduce the probability of a bad call. That said, I like Sportsbet and similar because bookies actually use data a lot better because their money is on the line.

 

[Knobby22]

No, bookies money is not on the line. They run a book, change the odds depending on the money flow. They take a cut. It doesn't matter to them who gets up, and the favourite didn't get up in the US election for instance.

For the record Sportsbet is paying 1.19 for Labor victory, 4.5 for coalition. These odds will tighten over the next 4 weeks imo.

 

[SirRumpole]

No, bookies money is not on the line. They run a book, change the odds depending on the money flow. They take a cut. It doesn't matter to them who gets up, and the favourite didn't get up in the US election for instance.

Yes, the intrusion of the gambling industry into our lives has been insidious, and the odds are also "chaff", they change on the bookies whim.

Frankly the next 30 days or so will be wasted if people watch the election coverage. I find watching the grass grow more interesting.

 

[Knobby22]

I so agree. I vaguely remember Fraser's second term election and it wasn't like this (sorry for the thread drift).

 

[barney]

Basically when beliefs are involved: Facts are useless …

Yep

But i disagree with you @barney as i believe ignore will still allow you to follow some threads which are unreadable otherwise..

You can disagree with me "Frog" ….. I still respect you ……

I still think "ignore" is possibly an easier way out rather than "fronting" the issue in an adult way, although, if someone annoys someone else multiple times with little reciprocity then I can understand why they might choose to tell them to "go jump"

And anyone can feel free to include me among the above!

LOL … Who would possibly ignore a polite Frog

 

[Smurf1976]

A bit off topic but of some relevance to recent comments in this thread:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...t/news-story/afb28be816890a6b9c30d67ca8a06859

To be clear - this Smurf most certainly isn't scared of ideas and so far as I'm aware nobody I'm friends with in the offline world is either but it seems to be becoming a thing.

 

[qldfrog]

A bit off topic but of some relevance to recent comments in this thread:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...t/news-story/afb28be816890a6b9c30d67ca8a06859

To be clear - this Smurf most certainly isn't scared of ideas and so far as I'm aware nobody I'm friends with in the offline world is either but it seems to be becoming a thing.

That is because Smurf you would not have any incline to be friend with the bleating sheeps vacuum headed who constitutes these masses
But think about it, with tv influence down, education level abysmal, and easy overall life, the masses which used to be remotely guided by the medias are now in freespin following their own self created social media spin, with i am sure some wiser agent provocateur putting the seeds of carefully calculated schemes
There has never been i think in the history of the west where propaganda has been so powerful
A very dangerous time