explod
explod
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The serial rapist murderer repeat offender, who broke into your house, tied you up, and forced you to watch him repeatedly violently rape and then murder your 12 year old daughter should die.
Obvioulsy there's variations on this story, but you get my point. Some people do not deserve to be using our vital oxygen. And we shouldn't be spending milions of dollars to lock them up in a holiday camp with bars.
Two issues; ..... taking a life for a life lowers us to the level of the life taker/or destroyer in the case of rape. A dog eat dog idea will destroy society.
If someone did that to my Daughter I would want him to live as long as possible in the worst misery we could bestow on him. Killing the culprit gets him off the hook.
A third idea is that someone who could do that already has a destroyed and tortured mind. He did not create that mind, society did.
Agression will not tame the world. The learned say that in evolution it was the female instinct to protect her young that tamed the male.
Interesting at Spider level the female kills the male after copulating because I suppose she knows we males are a waste of time.
On world standards (some may disagree, but generally) we are relatively less violent than most. One of the reasons I feel is because we dont' have the death penalty and two, we dont allow firearms.
Killing the culprit gets him off the hook.
I have no arguments, if that person pays for the use of land and all the other expenses of keeping that person alive on the hook.
With global warming, ageing population and diminishing resources we should not be too generous and every person should have paramount obligations to be at least not destructive to the society.
Next time we have referendum on the issue I know what I'll do.
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On world standards (some may disagree, but generally) we are relatively less violent than most. One of the reasons I feel is because we dont' have the death penalty and two, we dont allow firearms.
Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.
The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.
"hehe explod although i understand where your coming from i cant understand why you would think such a thing regarding your firearms statement. I dont wanna go off topic but instead of thinking about firearms and amercia all the time, have a look at a more usefull system.
Switzerland" [un quote]
Agree, did that area and Scanadanavia in my youth. As a result of my mix, the ideal humanist is the only way. However, because there are no dollars attached we are destined for the gurglar.
I would gladly support a movement that sees a way out.
Time to party.
The death penalty, yes I support it 100%, we should have this as part of our justice system but when the verdict is read, it's not back to a cell for an appeal to be lodged or the doogooders to protest, it's straight off to a public execution
either a hanging or firering squad. See how this would changes thing here.
The French Revolution is clearly one of the central events in Western civilization - a period of history whose characters and events have always fascinated me. The more moderate American Revolution, in comparison, was much less influential upon the world of its time - even if it was more successful and less bloody. I would argue it was more successful precisely because it was more moderate and less murderous than the French Revolution.
But the French Revolution ironically was a failed revolution: Liberté, Egalité, and Fraternité quickly descended to the towering figure of Robespierre and his Reign of Terror as the revolution spun out control and began to murder itself.
First the royalists were beheaded, next the moderate girondists, and by then the violence and suspicion was totally out of hand as the revolution devoured itself. In my opinion, after they started beheading the moderate Girondists it was only a matter of time before everyone else went to the guillotine. 26 years after the "Declaration of the Rights of Man" was written up, a Bourbon once more sat on the throne as the King of France - that is what I mean by "failed" Revolution. Since 1793, France has had no less than 11 subsequent constitutions (while the United States still uses their first). This is what I mean about moderation and political stability. It is the legacy of those revolutions so different in style, substance, and in legacy.
During one rapacious stretch of mindless revolutionary paranoia, 1,376 individuals were guillotined in only 47 days. The moderate girondist Mme. Jeanne Roland de la Platiere's last words before her death on the guillotine were: "O liberty! how they have played with you." She put it well, in my opinion.
Or Camille Desmoulins, writing to his wife from prison, claiming, "J'avais rêvé une république que tout le monde eût adorée. Je n'ai pu croire que les hommes fussent si féroces et si injustes." I always much preferred the moderate Montesqieu and Lafayette to Robespierre and his fellow radicals. Not surprisingly, they did not do so well in the French Revolution which is a prime example of Gresham's law of political morality: the bad drives out the good as everyone becomes corrupted while political life becomes not unlike the Hobbesian war of all against all in "a perpetual and restless desire for power, that ceaseth only in death."
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Wordsworth came to suffer the disillusion of young revolutionaries in all ages who discover that in shedding an ocean of blood they have more often than not done more harm than good. If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety"). This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century.
In fact, Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." His call for the "sovereign" to force men to be free if necessary in the interests of the "General Will" harks back to the Lycurgus of Sparta instead of to the pluralism of Athens; the legacy of Rousseau is Robespierre and the radical Jacobins of the Terror who followed and worshipped him passionately. In the 20th century, his influence is further felt by tyrants who would arouse the egalitarian passions of the masses not so much in the interests of social justice as social control. Let us take Rousseau for the literary genius he was and appreciate his contribution to history; let us look at his political philosophy with great skepticism.
.........For Napoleon was only the seed which was to bloom widely in the bloody 20th century in dynamic dictators like Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. "Nobody can rule guiltlessly," claimed Saint-Just. This may be true, but political violence is the worst evil of this century of spectacular crimes and Robespierre, to my knowledge, was the first European intellectual to put forth this absurd idea that terror is the best and most effective manner for bringing about "justice."
The French Revolution was the deserving death knell for the old system of monarchy in Europe. Unfortunately, in too many places the governments which replaced ancient regimes was as bad or worse than those which preceeded them (from Napoleon on up to Lenin and the fascists). The chaos and violence which Napoleon helped bring about has (let us hope) only in the last fifty years been succesfully worked out of the European system. Let us learn from the past, so that we may not repeat its errors. Let the 20th century (and the Jacobin Terror) be a warning!
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The mysterious and menacing figure of Maximillien Robespierre;
"The government of liberty is the despotism of liberty against tyranny."
Robespierre's legacy of "despotism" was not to bloom fully until the pogroms of the 20th century.
Of course, Robespierre himself was guillotined during the Terror.
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Robespierre's Malevolent Legacy:
Terror as "Justice"
"Terror is nought but prompt, severe, inflexible justice; it is therefore an emanation of virtue; it is less a particular principle than a consequence of the general principle of democracy applied to the most pressing needs of the fatherland."
Maximillien Marie Isidore de Robespierre
Address, National Convention, 1794
"Robespierre, with his cruel moral relativism,
embodied the cardinal sin of all revolution, the hearlessness of ideas."
Paul Johnson
"The Spectator"
"He [the revolutionary] is damned always to do that which is most repugnant to him: to become a slaughterer, to sacrifice lambs so that no more lambs may be slaughtered, to whip people with knouts so that they may learn not to let themselves by whipped, to strip himself of every scruple in the name of a higher scrupulousness, and to challenge the hatred of mankind because of his love for it - an abstract and geometric love."
Arthur Koestler
"Darkness at Noon"
Death to the worst offenders?
Emotionally I support it, but not intellectually.
The great failure of the anti-death penalty lobby is their common failure to insist on what a capital offence should be punished with. Life should mean life, no parole, no sanctimonius psuedo-scientific claptrap about rehabilitation. Life. In prison.
regarding scott rush, he is an idiot. individuals are responsible for their own actions and its not the job of the feds to prevent people from doing stupid things.
It is a fair point that it does achieve revenge, and removes the person permanently from society - but so does a true life sentence - something we rarely practice.
Taken literally today, I suppose it would mean the State should start raping and torturing the convicted, as well as putting them to death. We should also execute those convicted of manslaughter and of culpable driving.
Intellectually, nobody supports it purple.Death to the worst offenders?
Emotionally I support it, but not intellectually.
Well you certainly are a wild west cactus...
Haven't you seen any of numerous reports in the US where innocent people on death row have later been exonerated, largely by DNA?
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