The Australian Greens party

[SirRumpole]

Then don't take that type of evidence to court because it will get thrown out.
Brunei is the latest nation sanctioning the killing if gay people. If you were a gay Muslim in Brunei would you be speaking out?

I'm talking about people in this country who don't condemn what is happening in other countries, including feminists who go around wearing hijabs while women in other countries are enslaved by Islam.

 

[basilio]

What is happening in Brunei is barbaric. Absolutely.

But turning around and trying to pin this behaviour on another billion people as complicit as well as people who showed respect for Muslims in a time of grief?

 

[rederob]

I'm talking about people in this country who don't condemn what is happening in other countries, including feminists who go around wearing hijabs while women in other countries are enslaved by Islam.

Ok, I will leave you to think what you like.
I do not go around condemning everything that is happening in the world because I think it is bad. I have a lot better things to do.
But where I do choose to offer my view I try to ensure it relates to a specific action and clearly identifiable people. Otherwise you cast a slur on the undeserved.
As to women being enslaved, domestic violence against women in Australia is an epidemic. Are you calling it out? If you want to get an idea about how women in Australia have been treated, download the audio file from the discussion here.

 

[SirRumpole]

As to women being enslaved, domestic violence against women in Australia is an epidemic. Are you calling it out?

As much as I can yes. A lot of women also get murdered in this country by strangers for being women. That's also despicable. More resources should go to preventing attacks on women and I would vote for a party that recognises the problem and does something about it.

 

[SirRumpole]

What is happening in Brunei is barbaric. Absolutely.

But turning around and trying to pin this behaviour on another billion people as complicit as well as people who showed respect for Muslims in a time of grief?

Well, that is the question bas. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept right ?

How many Imams in Australia actually stand up and condemn (of their own accord without being pressed) the atrocities committed in the name of their religion ?

If we can criticise the Catholics for covering up child sex abuse I see no reason why we can't ctiticise the acceptance of barbaric acts by people of the same faith.

 

[sptrawler]

Well, that is the question bas. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept right ?

How many Imams in Australia actually stand up and condemn (of their own accord without being pressed) the atrocities committed in the name of their religion ?

If we can criticise the Catholics for covering up child sex abuse I see no reason why we can't ctiticise the acceptance of barbaric acts by people of the same faith.

You pretty well nailed it there Rumpy, and it doesn't just apply to religion, it applies to all facets of life.

 

[basilio]

Well, that is the question bas. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept right ?

How many Imams in Australia actually stand up and condemn (of their own accord without being pressed) the atrocities committed in the name of their religion ?

If we can criticise the Catholics for covering up child sex abuse I see no reason why we can't ctiticise the acceptance of barbaric acts by people of the same faith.

We can go in so many places here can't we? We could look at Federal politicians who don't call out the behaviour of Fraser Anning and accept the votes of One Nation to stay in power.

You suggest that we should criticise all Catholics for the child abuse by religious and the cover ups by the bishops and admin ? Really ? Should we extend that principle to the Scouts, State orphanages , other religious organizations where widespread abuse was reported ?

And then let's say the Imans do rise enmasse and "denounce the wickedness of their extremist brothers" , would you accept such a statement as sincere or would it come under the heading of "virtue signaling" which was how the forgiveness offered by one of the survivors of the Christchurch massacre was seen on another thread ?

And in the current climate I reckon that's how it would be seen today.

I think what is happening in Brunei is really wrong. In theory strong, morally upright governments would take actions to show their concern. Alternatively citizens and businesses can do so.

Now in the past when someone from a particular group who no one liked "did-something-awful" (or someone thought they had) we had events called pograms, mass lynchings, and so on. Are we trying to retrace those paths?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_14,_1891_New_Orleans_lynchings

 

[SirRumpole]

You suggest that we should criticise all Catholics for the child abuse by religious and the cover ups by the bishops and admin ? Really ? Should we extend that principle to the Scouts, State orphanages , other religious organizations where widespread abuse was reported ?

No I'm criticising the church heirarchy in both cases. Don't you think that church leaders have to set an example to their flocks whether Islam or Christian and call out atrocities ? I don't blame the average Catholic for institutional child abuse, neither do I blame the average Australian Muslim for what goes on overseas, in both cases though they have a responsibility to say they won't accept such things here.

 

[SirRumpole]

or would it come under the heading of "virtue signaling" which was how the forgiveness offered by one of the survivors of the Christchurch massacre was seen on another thread ?

Not by me.

 

[rederob]

No I'm criticising the church heirarchy in both cases. Don't you think that church leaders have to set an example to their flocks whether Islam or Christian and call out atrocities ?

You are very mistaken if you think Imams are not calling out atrocities and radicalisation, as they have been for a long time. The PM adopted your view last year and was called out for his ignorance.
There is a massive double standard in that whenever Islam is in the frame, it must be called out, while other daily atrocities just pass as more of the same.

 

[SirRumpole]

You are very mistaken if you think Imams are not calling out atrocities and radicalisation, as they have been for a long time. The PM adopted your view last year and was called out for his ignorance.
There is a massive double standard in that whenever Islam is in the frame, it must be called out, while other daily atrocities just pass as more of the same.

Yes, some do but the great variety of Islamic sects means that just because one sect leader says something doesn't mean the rest or even a majority listen to him or agree with what he says.

 

[sptrawler]

We seem to keep falling back to the belief, that inside every bad person, is a good person just waiting to 'come out'.
When the fact is, in a lot of instances, the exact opposite is proven to be true.

 

[explod]

Dr. Robert Holian for Bendigo 2019
2 hrs ·

 

[explod]

"In this country the most comprehensive, long-term dataset on political behaviour, the Australian Election Study, begun in 1987, shows that the defining characteristic of the One Nation voter is that they didn't finish high-school. At the other end of the spectrum, people with postgraduate qualifications most likely vote for the Greens..."

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[explod]

East Gippsland Greens
1 hr ·
I have had inquiries whether the recent activities of activist vegans reflect the Greens views. Here is my answer to the question, followed by Senator Janet Rice's.

Deb: "My own views are totally in support of farmers who care for their animals' welfare - I keep animals myself - and these are the policies I will be talking about at this election. Sustainable food production is a major economic activity in Gippsland and should remain so. Animal husbandry has its part to play in this.
As a country girl who became a city dweller and then a country woman, I am concerned about the growing urban/rural divide. Whereas once children visited family and friends and saw day to day farming practices and helped with the chores, feeding friendly and contented animals, this opportunity is now not available to many children. Thus the 'milk comes from cartons' mentality. (my goats in photo)

Janet: The situation that Gippy goat farm and Taranaki farms have experienced is awful. I can understand that the recent protests have added extra stress to these communities and I am sorry that this is the case.
The Greens do not support farm invasion or protestors accessing property illegally. One of the Greens’ four pillars is peace and non-violence. The Greens are committed to peaceful and non-violent solutions locally, nationally and internationally.
To be clear, the Greens are not affiliated with the organisation that organised the protests and their position is their own, not ours. We are not campaigning to enforce veganism or to eradicate the meat industry where the slaughter of animals is humane.

 

[wayneL]

"In this country the most comprehensive, long-term dataset on political behaviour, the Australian Election Study, begun in 1987, shows that the defining characteristic of the One Nation voter is that they didn't finish high-school. At the other end of the spectrum, people with postgraduate qualifications most likely vote for the Greens..."

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THESATURDAYPAPER.COM.AU

I'd be interested in what these postgraduate qualifications are. I would wager they are mostly non STEM degrees.

Gender studies, womans studies, basket weaving and the like.

 

[explod]

I'd be interested in what these postgraduate qualifications are. I would wager they are mostly non STEM degrees.

Gender studies, women's studies, basket weaving and the like.

The majority of Greens are School Teachers, medical Nurses, Ambulance, Fire Brigade and surprisingly Plods. Simply, people that are among the people on the ground.

Equality in education and basic living standards are the focus

Not too sure about Farrier's

 

[wayneL]

The majority of Greens are School Teachers, medical Nurses, Ambulance, Fire Brigade and surprisingly Plods. Simply, people that are among the people on the ground.

Equality in education and basic living standards are the focus

Not too sure about Farrier's

You might be surprised by how many farriers hold degrees, Plod.

Mostly Veterinary, but there are Medicos, Engineers, Law (up to Doctorates) even a PhD in Business.

Proper farriery is a lot more scholarly than imagined , Happy to explain why if interested.

None are Greens voters and 9/10 are right of center.

Interesting eh?

 

[moXJO]

The majority of Greens are School Teachers, medical Nurses, Ambulance, Fire Brigade and surprisingly Plods. Simply, people that are among the people on the ground.

Equality in education and basic living standards are the focus

Not too sure about Farrier's

All public servants?

 

[wayneL]

All public servants?

Interesting observation