The Australian Greens party

PZ99 · 29 June 2018

Religion was forced down my throat in primary school - social engineering at its best.

Broke my chains when the real world affected my way of thinking. I woke up.

Running it in parliament today seems rather self defeating amid calls of religious freedom IMO.

Independence is the go.

Tink · 29 June 2018

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson

PZ99 · 29 June 2018

Please consider donating to PragerU at the cost of your fellow taxpayers... LOL

SirRumpole · 29 June 2018

Tink said:
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson

I like most of that, but the inference that China's economy has "failed" is a big call. It's created the world's largest middle class, albeit encumbered by authoritaism and fear.

explod · 29 June 2018

fiftyeight said:
Of course it should be removed. It is an embarrassment that it is still included.

The Green's are not removing anyone's personal religious freedom with this push. No one should be forced to listen to that dribble in their place of work.

imv the church sanction pedophiles

In fact the Greens supported the people seeking to build a Mosque at Bendigo a few years back.

Very much against it were the right wing standovers, particularly the catholics.

The grounding of the bible is to ensure the people follow and not think. Unfortunately social media is doing that today also.

explod · 29 June 2018

Tisme said:
This is the in vogue version :
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.

For the kingdom, the power,
and the glory are yours
now and for ever.
Amen.

And so we should, God is a myth within the indoctrinated heads. We should not be teaching and promoting lies. It's about control and why the ancient village chiefs created witch doctors. The people behaved in fear of the bad spirits.

fiftyeight · 29 June 2018

Tink said:
Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.

Ronald Reagan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wayneL · 30 June 2018

SirRumpole said:
I like most of that, but the inference that China's economy has "failed" is a big call. It's created the world's largest middle class, albeit encumbered by authoritaism and fear.

Under Mao it was failing there was mass starvation in China in those years.

China can no longer be considered a Marxist economy, it is their form of capitalism that is in fact created the huge increase in wealth and huge rise in the middle class

SirRumpole · 30 June 2018

wayneL said:
China can no longer be considered a Marxist economy, it is their form of capitalism that is in fact created the huge increase in wealth and huge rise in the middle class

China's economy is underpinned by the Chinese Communist Party. While the leaders of these companies are allowed to get rich, a number of them have been executed for corruption, and ultimately the government owns these companies.

wayneL · 30 June 2018

SirRumpole said:
China's economy is underpinned by the Chinese Communist Party. While the leaders of these companies are allowed to get rich, a number of them have been executed for corruption, and ultimately the government owns these companies.

that is certainly true Horace, but there still can be no circumstance that China currently could be called a Marxist economy as it once was.

More like a state capitalism

Darc Knight · 30 June 2018

I'm not usually a Greens supporter but the removal of the Lord's Prayer and the replacement of it with "Senators, let us in silence pray or reflect upon our responsibilities to all people of Australia and to future generations”, seems alright to me.

SirRumpole · 30 June 2018

wayneL said:
More like a state capitalism

Yes, that's an appropriate description.

cynic · 30 June 2018

explod said:
And so we should, God is a myth within the indoctrinated heads. We should not be teaching and promoting lies. It's about control and why the ancient village chiefs created witch doctors. The people behaved in fear of the bad spirits.

So, promotion of a heavenly state of earthly affairs, attendant with delivery from evil, and compassion for all humanity, holds no appeal for the Greens! (Why am I unsurprised at this news?!)

The fact that the Greens are putting such effort, into the trashing of one of the more benign, and virtuous, offerings from a long standing religious tradition, says one heck of a lot about the "values" underlying the tenets of the Green's religion.

SirRumpole · 30 June 2018

cynic said:
So, promotion of a heavenly state of earthly affairs, attendant with delivery from evil, and compassion for all humanity, holds no appeal for the Greens! (Why am I unsurprised at this news?!)

The fact that the Greens are putting such effort, into the trashing of one of the more benign, and virtuous, offerings from a long standing religious tradition, says one heck of a lot about the "values" underlying the tenets of the Green's religion.

If the Catholic church practised what they preached instead of abusing children and covering it up, then they may have more respect from the public.

fiftyeight · 30 June 2018

cynic said:
So, promotion of a heavenly state of earthly affairs, attendant with delivery from evil, and compassion for all humanity, holds no appeal for the Greens! (Why am I unsurprised at this news?!)

The fact that the Greens are putting such effort, into the trashing of one of the more benign, and virtuous, offerings from a long standing religious tradition, says one heck of a lot about the "values" underlying the tenets of the Green's religion.

Nope, not what the Greens are saying at all.

What is wrong with

Darc Knight said:
"Senators, let us in silence pray or reflect upon our responsibilities to all people of Australia and to future generations”

Again, no one is stopping you or anyone personally praying

TikoMike · 30 June 2018

The Greens are a bunch of disgusting deplorables.

cynic · 30 June 2018

SirRumpole said:
If the Catholic church practised what they preached instead of abusing children and covering it up, then they may have more respect from the public.

What does Christ's prayer have to do with the sodomisation and raping of children?
What does Christ's prayer have to do with hypocrisy?

Now the Green's, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with a prayer promoting lofty values akin to harmony, compassion, prosperity and temperance.

Whether or not one believes in the authorship, is irrelevant to the beneficent virtues it promotes.

The fact that the Greens have chosen to take issue with it, suggests to me that they hold to a conflicting set of values. (One only needs to note various agendas that have been actively promoted in recent times, in order to corroborate this opinion.)

cynic · 30 June 2018

fiftyeight said:
Nope, not what the Greens are saying at all.

What is wrong with

"Senators, let us in silence pray or reflect upon our responsibilities to all people of Australia and to future generations”

Perhaps, if one were to take the time to think about what happens when a group of people regularly affirm, in vocal concert, their commitment to a beneficial set of values, one might realise just how little is being offered by the proposed substitution.

fiftyeight · 30 June 2018

cynic said:
What does your Christ's prayer have to do with the sodomisation and raping of children?
What does your Christ's prayer have to do with hypocrisy?

What does your savior have to do with politics?

Now the Green's, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with a prayer promoting lofty values akin to harmony, compassion, prosperity and temperance.

The Greens have no issue with lofty goals. That is completely misrepresenting the Green's position which I am sure you are aware of.

Whether or not one believes in the authorship, is irrelevant to the beneficent virtues it promotes.

If it is irrelevant why argue against changing it?

fiftyeight · 30 June 2018

cynic said:
Perhaps, if one were to take the time to think about what happens when a group of people regularly affirm, in vocal concert, their commitment to a beneficial set of values, one might realise just how little is being offered by the proposed substitution.

If one needs this kind of attempted brain washing to be moral they should not be in parliament.

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