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luutzu said:
There are some programmes and yea, we've come a long way from setting up Missions... we now hand out CentreLink cards to them (and soon to all on welfare) to purchase food only - at recognised outlets like Woolies and Coles, of course... screw Aldi and IGA :xyxthumbs
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That's an interesting statement, in some remote towns where the welfare cards operate, they only have an IGA supermarket.
So I wonder how the card works in those places?
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe it doesn't and they just go and steal what they need.
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I actually saw that with my own eyes recently.
I was in a shop with my wife when a young indigenous couple started walking out, they were challenged at the door by a young girl attendant, they told her to FF off and walked out.
I will be interesting to see how society ends up, in 10-20 years, drugs and a don't give a $hit attitude, is becoming the norm. IMO
 
sptrawler said:
That's an interesting statement, in some remote towns where the welfare cards operate, they only have an IGA supermarket.
So I wonder how the card works in those places?
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I implied that such cards were done as welfare payment to Coles and Woolies. I guess in remote places where the big boys don't care for, people gotta eat so an IGA would be permitted by the directors at them bargain fresh food places.

Discussed a while back... experts in this area have said that the vast majority of those on welfare do not spend their welfare on drugs or alcohol. But of course the gov't can't say that, it'll just encourage people to want a few cents of their tax dollars being given back to them in hard times, or being given to other people during hardship.

You know, tax collection is a must; tax return is discretionary and to be avoided at all cost.

How to do that? Shame the heck out of those needing help. Then send the message to decent human beings that no, their gov't isn't being mean and nasty... the losers deserve it... why else do you think the nanny state goes to the trouble of issuing such cards if there's no epidemic problems? Right?
 
luutzu said:
How to do that? Shame the heck out of those needing help. Then send the message to decent human beings that no, their gov't isn't being mean and nasty... the losers deserve it... why else do you think the nanny state goes to the trouble of issuing such cards if there's no epidemic problems? Right?
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Wrong! This quote is exactly the truth.
"At the end of the day it's not their money, it's taxpayers' money which is being provided for the basics — accommodation, food, transportation, education.
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This is in response to widespread abuse of "unemployment" (yes you get the money to help you in between jobs) and family payments by particularly mothers who pokie the whole lot.This is great news because if you are bludging on the dole then this is an incentive to get off ur ass and get a job and for mothers to provide a better upbringing for their children. Last quote by the minister ..
"You can opt out of it [the card] by getting a job."
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"You can opt out of it [the card] by getting a job."
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If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

We have been conditioned to think that 5.5% unemployment is good, when really 3% is what is usually considered "full" employment, with the others between jobs.

The employment landscape has changed. New technology is taking over and we had better just realise that there aren't enough jobs to go around anymore.

This is basically why we have low wage growth and low fertility rates.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Wrong! This quote is exactly the truth.

This is in response to widespread abuse of "unemployment" (yes you get the money to help you in between jobs) and family payments by particularly mothers who pokie the whole lot.This is great news because if you are bludging on the dole then this is an incentive to get off ur ass and get a job and for mothers to provide a better upbringing for their children. Last quote by the minister ..
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Should punch up, no? More fun.

And what do you mean it's not "their" money?

It's a Commonwealth. Common Weal. Belong to the Common. Not CBA Limited commonwealth.

Say you and I have been working since HS, paid our taxes as good little boys and girls. We never need any Austudy or welfare or concession... Still we pay our taxes.

Then you get injured, sick, fired... tough titties then?


Sure there are parents on welfare who aren't responsible. Are all rich parents responsible now? Rich parents don't get welfare, no tax cuts and such?

Personal responsibilities, incentives, lifting oneself by one's own bootstrap etc. etc.... yea that's all fine and good. Just shouldn't demonise and blame people who are, by and large, victims of society and circumstances more than just personal irresponsibility or handicaps.

We talk of incentives, free market, rise at our own strength and talent... what bs.

Who got bailed out during the GFC? Who always get the biggest tax cuts? Who always get diddly or actually pay more in taxes.. if not taxes directly then higher costs from increased in consumption tax, reduction in penalty rates, reduced or removal of concessions etc. etc.

I mean, if we're serious about personal/corporate responsibilities, just about every bank in the world would have disappeared 9 years ago.


Yes, just get off the couch and go to work.
There's plenty of jobs for anyone who wants it right?
The pay's plenty over after childcare and all that.
 
SirRumpole said:
If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

We have been conditioned to think that 5.5% unemployment is good, when really 3% is what is usually considered "full" employment, with the others between jobs.

The employment landscape has changed. New technology is taking over and we had better just realise that there aren't enough jobs to go around anymore.

This is basically why we have low wage growth and low fertility rates.
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It's not technology that's causing unemployment. It's the way technology is being used that causes unemployment and redundancies.

Unemployment are made high by design.

Technology is neutral. If a company or business want, they can use technology to help their workforce become more productive, safer, work better and could earn more.

Instead, most investment in technologies are aimed at replacing labour. The jobs are broken down to small pieces, workers are trained to stand in those conveyor belt... then soon enough, investment are made to automate those jobs and get rid of labour.

Does that mean the technology is more efficient? Yes if you measure it in term of replacing the labourer. But it's an absolute no if, instead of investing in tech to replace labour, the business invest in tech that permit their labourer to be more creative.. they might even improve the production line, create new industries.

But the way most investments are made, it's just to reduce costs of doing the same old crap. It's a very effective way of doing incremental change to products and services whose market you've cornered... that and keep the annoying plebs on notice if they ever think of asking for higher paid and better conditions.
 
luutzu said:
I implied that such cards were done as welfare payment to Coles and Woolies. I guess in remote places where the big boys don't care for, people gotta eat so an IGA would be permitted by the directors at them bargain fresh food places.

Discussed a while back... experts in this area have said that the vast majority of those on welfare do not spend their welfare on drugs or alcohol. But of course the gov't can't say that, it'll just encourage people to want a few cents of their tax dollars being given back to them in hard times, or being given to other people during hardship.

You know, tax collection is a must; tax return is discretionary and to be avoided at all cost.

How to do that? Shame the heck out of those needing help. Then send the message to decent human beings that no, their gov't isn't being mean and nasty... the losers deserve it... why else do you think the nanny state goes to the trouble of issuing such cards if there's no epidemic problems? Right?
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My guess is, everyone will end up on a welfare card.
Lets be honest, we will probably have cashless system within 10 years
 
wayneL said:
Aboriginal?

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It happens. Work mate's dad is dark skinned Aboriginal and my mate's near white as me. Had the mixed parents. Good fella but it is hard to believe it unless you see his dad. I know what you mean about auto default from generations ago. Like me defaulting to Great British or Italian from way back. I am Australian.
 
A great win to the Greens in Northcote yesterday. A swing of more than 10%.

Both the ALP and the LIB/NATS do not understand the real and growing concern amongst the general community for envioronmental deterioration, the need for more equitable education and housing for the poorer classes and in particular for jobs. For every job there are eighteen people to trying to get a job.

The right wing press painstakingly avoid passing on current Green policies in particular the Murdoch Press. Well keep turning the other cheek and new honest regimes will be taking over as people are seeing through the crapola such as Turnbull's "jobs and growth, jobs and growth, jobs and growth" with no content or any delivery.

And Sir, Madarm and other formalities measure about ziltch. And religeon is a concoction created by the rich to control the poor anyway, but today its more the football and the TAB of course.
 
Northcote has become an extremely wealthy area of people who are very interested in green issues unaffected by the concerns of the working class combined with mainly wealthy renters who are of the socialist left equation. Just living their gives kudos as being trendy and left. This is the area where people weren't getting vaccinated

Labor tried hard by getting through some progressive policies such as injecting rooms and allowing renters to have pets but this had no influence. They need to concentrate on the working class. The richer inner city seats will fall to the Greens in Melbourne. Next state election they should have at least four seats. As the older Italian immigrants die out and their houses go to the wealthy the seats will only go further green. Note, one of those seats that will be lost to the Greens will be Liberal.
 
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Knobby22 said:
Northcote has become an extremely wealthy area of people who are very interested in green issues unaffected by the concerns of the working class combined with mainly wealthy renters who are of the socialist left equation. Just living their gives kudos as being trendy and left. This is the area where people weren't getting vaccinated

Labor tried hard by getting through some progressive policies such as injecting rooms and allowing renters to have pets but this had no influence. They need to concentrate on the working class. The richer inner city seats will fall to the Greens in Melbourne. Next state election they should have at least four seats. As the older Italian immigrants die out and their houses go to the wealthy the seats will only go further green. Note, one of those seats that will be lost to the Greens will be Liberal.
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That may change once the reality the Greens want to appropriate their wealth, bites.
 
SirRumpole said:
Good to see a protest vote not going to PHON.

Big worry for Labor though.
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They need to reposition themselves into the battler electorates instead of trying to win gentrified hipster suburbs rising out of the old migrant enclaves.
 

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