The Australian Greens party

[Calliope]

Paul Howes, who of all people is familiar is with Socialists, puts the Greens under the spotlight. They are only masquerading as environmentalists. Their motives are much more sinister.

The enigma is... why is Labor preferencing them in the Senate? They are only making trouble for themselves. Perhaps they want to use them as a backstop, in case they lose the election, to sabotage any Coalition legislation in the Senate. They are playing with fire.

Rhiannon, standing for the Senate and tipped by psephologists including Malcolm Mackerras as likely to win, has a well-documented past as a "red diaper baby"; the daughter of pro-Soviet communists Bill and Freda Brown.

While her heritage need not dictate her politics, she has a reputation -- including within her own party -- as a hard-left, urban socialist with only a passing interest in the environment; if not pink then watermelon (green on the outside and red on the inside).

Australian Workers Union secretary Paul Howes, a former radical leftie himself and now a key player in Labor's right, is among those pointing to Rhiannon's elevation as evidence of socialists hijacking the Greens. Howes warns that newcomers of Rhiannon's bent are "infiltrating" inner-city branches of the Greens, seeking to turn it into a "socialist-style party". He is so sure of this, he says, because he knows many of them.

"I've never hidden from the fact that I had a background in far-left politics, but I had a political conversion when I was 15," he says.

"I stopped believing in socialism, and eventually embraced the political philosophy I hold today. I admitted publicly I was wrong.

"But I know quite a few of my friends, people I knew who held those same views, still hold them today, and they see the Greens as their vehicle.

"These really are people masquerading as environmental defenders but who are in essence those who would have found a home in the Communist Party once upon a time."

My Bolds

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...eatens-to-divide/story-fn59niix-1225901945949

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

On the last Q&A show in Brisbane one of the panelists was a Green Senate candidate, Larissa Waters. When she spoke she received more sustained applause than the other panelists. It was quite scary because this was presumably a balanced audience.

I think it is an alarming indicator that the Greens will gain seats by default.

 

[drsmith]

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On the last Q&A show in Brisbane one of the panelists was a Green Senate candidate, Larissa Waters.

Was that the show where Bob Brown (by remote linkup) was ducking and weaving a question on GDP growth ?

 

[explod]

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On the last Q&A show in Brisbane one of the panelists was a Green Senate candidate, Larissa Waters. When she spoke she received more sustained applause than the other panelists. It was quite scary because this was presumably a balanced audience.

I think it is an alarming indicator that the Greens will gain seats by default.

Both Labor and Liberal Governments, and governments of the entire western world a being seen to fail.

In spite of official figures people are finding money not going as far, jobs are becoming harder to get, highways and main roads to work are becoming clogged. Wars are being fought that people are becoming increasingly uneasy about. And we could go on.

The Greens may seem (and at this time are) thin on the ground, but where are other alternatives.

And if you are alarmed Calliope, it may be time for some hard thinking. With nine Grandchildren that state of affairs has got me thinking.

 

[Ageo]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Both Labor and Liberal Governments, and governments of the entire western world a being seen to fail.

In spite of official figures people are finding money not going as far, jobs are becoming harder to get, highways and main roads to work are becoming clogged. Wars are being fought that people are becoming increasingly uneasy about. And we could go on.

The Greens may seem (and at this time are) thin on the ground, but where are other alternatives.

And if you are alarmed Calliope, it may be time for some hard thinking. With nine Grandchildren that state of affairs has got me thinking.

Explod the problem with the greens and i keep saying this they do not give 2 ****s about about the problem at hand but their own personal agenda and ideology. If they have control basically you can kiss your freedoms goodbye as they are the 1 party whos main focus is to stop people in this country to do things what they enjoy. All they care about is ban this, and ban that.... meat is no good ban it, fishing no good ban it blah blah blah.....

Sry but all they are to me is a bunch of eco terrorists........

Labour or liberal might be a bunch of wankers (and i agree) but the greens having the balance in power (in the senate) would be the scariest thing on earth.

 

[wayneL]

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Both Labor and Liberal Governments, and governments of the entire western world a being seen to fail.

In spite of official figures people are finding money not going as far, jobs are becoming harder to get, highways and main roads to work are becoming clogged. Wars are being fought that people are becoming increasingly uneasy about. And we could go on.

The Greens may seem (and at this time are) thin on the ground, but where are other alternatives.

And if you are alarmed Calliope, it may be time for some hard thinking. With nine Grandchildren that state of affairs has got me thinking.

The thing is Explod, the Green's policies will not result in a new Garden of Eden for your grandchildren. Rather, it would result in a poverty stricken, dysfunctional police state, unable to economically support itself.

This will result in base level pillage of the environment by the peasantry just to try and survive, as seen in other poor countries. Is that what you want for them?

The best environmental solutions require a wealthy community and the Greens would destroy that with their Marxist/Leninist ideals. The Greens are only green on the outside.

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Explod you are sadly deluded about the intentions of the Greens. Obviously the link I provided in the first post went completely over your head.

A Green voter is either irresponsible or deluded or both. A Labor voter who gives preferences to the Greens is foolish.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Both Labor and Liberal Governments, and governments of the entire western world a being seen to fail.

In spite of official figures people are finding money not going as far, jobs are becoming harder to get, highways and main roads to work are becoming clogged. Wars are being fought that people are becoming increasingly uneasy about. And we could go on.

The Greens may seem (and at this time are) thin on the ground, but where are other alternatives.

And if you are alarmed Calliope, it may be time for some hard thinking. With nine Grandchildren that state of affairs has got me thinking.

Under the Greens your grandchildren may be emigrating to a better life elsewhere.

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

When I started this thread I thought it would be an opportunity for Greens supporters to rally to the cause to defend their beloved party. Only one, explod, has put his hand up because he thinks voting Green would provide a better lifestyle for his nine grandchildren.

Surely there must be others who support the concept that destroying the Australian economy by imposing crippling taxation on the extractive industries is a guarantee of a rosy future for this country.

Where are the tree huggers, the whale watchers, the fruit bat lovers? Or have you all seen the light and decided to be responsible citizens?

 

[Smurf1976]

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"Last summer, Tasmania imported 48 per cent of its energy from brown coal in Victoria. Tasmanians should be ashamed and are ashamed I'm sure," Senator Milne told ABC-TV.

"We will return this state to a self-reliant 100 per cent renewable energy leader

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/08/09/164721_tasmania-news.html

The 48% figure is rubbish but oh the irony!!! If it wasn't for the Greens then we'd already have 100% renewable electricity in Tas, they being the ones who stopped it in the first place. The only reason Tas is connected to Victoria and importing electricity is because that was politically the only real option given that the Greens oppose any practical means of generating power within the state. Indeed opposing renewable energy development in Tas was the very issue which lead to the formation of the Greens in the first place...

Fair enough to make a point. Fair enough to protest. But let's not rewrite history. The Greens and their precedessors at various times supported nuclear, coal and wood. OK, wood is technically a renewable energy source - but now they're opposing that too (a point on which I agree with them by the way - it's a silly idea burning wood for power in 2010 just as it was when the Greens once advocated it).

What next? Are they going to start opposing the mass tourism and aviation they have always promoted as the alternative to any other sort of industry? Yep - they're none too keen on aviation judging by what they're saying these days and that is due to emissions and oil consumption, points first made by their opponents some decades ago...

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

From the Greens policy statement on transport.

29. environmental costs incorporated into the cost of air travel.

What does this mean in terms of affordable air travel for the public at large ?

When I started this thread I thought it would be an opportunity for Greens supporters to rally to the cause to defend their beloved party. Only one, explod, has put his hand up because he thinks voting Green would provide a better lifestyle for his nine grandchildren.

Surely there must be others who support the concept that destroying the Australian economy by imposing crippling taxation on the extractive industries is a guarantee of a rosy future for this country.

Where are the tree huggers, the whale watchers, the fruit bat lovers? Or have you all seen the light and decided to be responsible citizens?

It's all fine as long as it's at someone else's expense.

 

[Julia]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

What did they claim to be the basis for opposing renewable energy in Tasmania?

 

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

This will result in base level pillage of the environment by the peasantry just to try and survive, as seen in other poor countries. Is that what you want for them?

Medieval isn't it. Symbolically, the Greens = the city squire's gamekeeper, ask anyone in the bush.

In parliament I think Lab and Coalition would freeze the Greens out most of the time, since with the Greens it's their way or no way, evidence the demise of the ETS and CPRS on the vote of the Greens.

If they were genuine about reducing carbon emissions, they would support nuclear power.

Another way to see them is as the modern day Luddites. But we can't change the climate by de-industrializing and making ourselves poor.

 

[noco]

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Calliope, the information being revealed on your thread is frightning but not surprising when one looks back on the way communism flourished in the 50's and 60's and mainly through deception of the real truth of their aims which was world domination. They infitrated into the unions, caused so much industrial trouble with demands of higher pay, increased holiday pay, long service leave, penalty rates and a whole host of other demands purely in an endeavour to disrupt the way of life and the economies of the western world resulting in higher costs, reduction in competition, unemployment and eventually a revolt against the Government. They were banking on the fact that people would look for an alternative from the two party system and this is what is happening with the Green's strategy. Switch voters to their ideology based on the assumption that the naive are disgruntled with both of the major parties and it appears to be working in their favour.

The Greens, who appear to be alingned with communism, are operating in the same fashion of using the environmental umbrella without revealing their main aim. They don't have any real polocies and keep pressing the propaganda of saving the world. They are doing their best to create havoc in this Country which eventually will lead to massive unemployment and economic strife. That is when the naive will support the Greens for an alternative away from the main political parties.

Between the Greens and Islam I would hate to see what this world of ours will be like in 20 or 30 years time. I certainly won't see it as I'll be popping up daisies by then and that may well be the safest place to be.

 

[sails]

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Explod, I have different ideas for my grandchildren. I would like to think they can have the lifestyle of their choice rather than one forced upon them.

If they want a self-sufficient lifestyle, there are plenty of places out bush in Australia where this can be achieved. I suspect the majority of my grandchildren will want the opportunities of modern day living - and I think it is only fair that our grandkids are given this freedom of choice.

If the greens got some power, do you really think they will allow our grandkids to have the choices that we currently have?

 

[Knobby22]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Explod, I have different ideas for my grandchildren. I would like to think they can have the lifestyle of their choice rather than one forced upon them.

If they want a self-sufficient lifestyle, there are plenty of places out bush in Australia where this can be achieved. I suspect the majority of my grandchildren will want the opportunities of modern day living - and I think it is only fair that our grandkids are given this freedom of choice.

If the greens got some power, do you really think they will allow our grandkids to have the choices that we currently have?

We are losing choice under the present governments with their high immigration policy.
Make sure you watch the Dick Smith population special on Thursday ABC this week.
I grew up with a big backyard and played Cricket with my brothers. My kids don't get this and I am well off.

 

[DB008]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Think the "Greens" are "radicals", check out the;

Australian Sovereignty Party (ASP) http://www.sovereigntyparty.org.au/

Quoted from their website;

Abolish All TAXES!
The Australian Sovereignty Party is strongly of the view that no Australian should pay tax, ever! Yes, you read that right, NO TAX!.

...we are against the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) and its agenda to de-industrialise the West, and to further consolidate wealth and power into the hands of banking cartels and other special interested parties. For instance, the Copenhagen Treaty (if ratified) would have enforced a carbon tax to be payed to the World Bank as a precursor to the establishment of a one world government.

 

[trainspotter]

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Weird how life imitates art ...... Anyone remember Mad Max 3 Beyond Thunderdome with the feral kids? This is the future if the Greens get their way.

 

[trainspotter]

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Hot off the press ......

The Greens plan a 100,600sq KM zone from Dongara to Kalbarri and the whole of the Abrholhos Islands.

Greens bid for vast fishing bans makes ALP/Greens’ threat to W.A. coast worse.

The announcement by Bob Brown that the Greens would seek massive fishing closures around the Western Australian coastline has compounded the already major threat to commercial and recreational fishers posed by existing Labor policy, WA Senator Chris Back said today.

Senator Back said the Greens want closures covering of up to 30% of Australia’s marine reserves. Under their policy, they will demand the States commit to the same process in waters under State control.

With the Greens attempting to guarantee control of the Senate after a recent preference deal with Labor, Senator Back said big fishing closures now seemed a certainty – if Labor wins the August 21 election.

“Labor’s Environment Minister Peter Garrett went fishing for Green preferences using fishers and tourism operators as bait, showing a clear green bias in his handling of Labor’s plan for marine parks,” Senator Back said.

“That earned massive distrust of his motives and intent, compounded by his failure to properly consult with the community.”

“Now Labor has got the Green support it was chasing, Bob Brown will be able to name his price, and this, as far as fishermen and tourism operators are concerned, will obviously be very high indeed.”

Senator Back said locking away 30% of marine parks as “no catch” zones, with no reference to scientific validation or compensation for displaced operators, would decimate Australia’s professional fishing industry and massively reduce opportunities for recreational fishers and offshore tourism.

http://www.noblemailer.noblecrm.com.au/download/files/26770/1228398/Fishing Map.pdf to look at how much will become marine "no catch" zones.

 

[noco]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens have no policies except to control the Senate.

When Brown was asked what he stands for he says "TRUST ME". OMG what are we in for in the next three years.

http://www.ielect.com.au/?p=543