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noco said:
The perception of bias is only being flaunted by the Green/Labor left wing socialists because of what they fear most of all.

Maybe your comrade Gillard is not yet off the hook.....I believe that one may be ongoing when they bring back Wilson and Blewitt........It is not over until the fat lady sings.
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I think most people were highly speculative of the motivations to hold the royal commission. Abbott has set a new precedent for dragging former government ministers into RCs. First we had the pink bat RC and not to downplay the deaths of 3 men but really how many lost their lives due to the invasion of Iraq which was all based on botched intel which has cost us a hell of a lot more than the pink batts and has now contributed into destabilizing the region that has given birth to ISIS.

Considering the cost of the RC is something like 80 million then really we need to see recommendations that will result in at least 80 million in productivity increases to consider this RC worthwhile.

And now we have Abbott willing to waste another 60-100 million on a plebiscite that he has already ruled out running the same time as the election which would save a lot of tax payer dollars. My bet is he will make it compulsory even though that isn't required for a plebiscite which again will raise costs as people are more likely to vote no if they're dragged to the polls unwillingly.

There is only so much more people will take of the national security fear mongering so Abbott can create his orwellian society that provides a short term boost in polls. They seem incapable of some meaningful tax reform, we had Joe Hockey only last week flagging tax cuts for the rich, what happened to this budget emergency?
 
I don't think it's right to term the Abbot version of unreality ad Orwellian, though I do agree about scaremongering.... continuation of the Howard years there.

Dystopic Orwellianism is the the exclusive proclivity of the Labor/Green Axis. ;)
 
wayneL said:
I don't think it's right to term the Abbot version of unreality ad Orwellian, though I do agree about scaremongering.... continuation of the Howard years there.

Dystopic Orwellianism is the the exclusive proclivity of the Labor/Green Axis. ;)
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The useless data retention laws are Orwellian in nature.

Already had bracket creep with the addition of extra organisations that can access the data.

If they get in for another term you can bet that'll want to increase the level of data recorded.

Funny how that were so dead set against this stuff in opposition but now it's a national security emergency since the budget emergency is no more.

Close to $1B in CAPEX & OPEX over the first 3 to 4 years. massive amounts of storage required that has to be maintained securely.

They introduced the legislation admitting they had no idea on how much it would cost to set up and run. In the real world you'd be laughed at for such an I'll conceived idea.

So we've basically added yet more red tape and more costs to run the country. Just how does that benefit us?
 
Well it seems the six months is up and not only the back bench, but also the cabinet has had enough of the mkII Tony Abbott who is really just Abbott mkI loose cannon afterall.

The only things stopping a spill is timing and the expected retaliation from Tony and his boss Peta, ... Tony's must needs is to always outdo Labor, especially Kevin Rudd so he would have to take down half the front bench FTW.:D

At least Billy McMahon had a hot mama to look at while he steered a directionless ship.


Where's my popcorn..
 
sydboy007 said:
The useless data retention laws are Orwellian in nature.

Already had bracket creep with the addition of extra organisations that can access the data.

If they get in for another term you can bet that'll want to increase the level of data recorded.

Funny how that were so dead set against this stuff in opposition but now it's a national security emergency since the budget emergency is no more.

Close to $1B in CAPEX & OPEX over the first 3 to 4 years. massive amounts of storage required that has to be maintained securely.

They introduced the legislation admitting they had no idea on how much it would cost to set up and run. In the real world you'd be laughed at for such an I'll conceived idea.

So we've basically added yet more red tape and more costs to run the country. Just how does that benefit us?
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Yes I suspect the legislation was really to cover the already doin' it practice, so they could move to the next level under the guise of an expeditionary force. One step outside the law is exponentially less criminal than two steps.
 
Tisme said:
Yes I suspect the legislation was really to cover the already doin' it practice, so they could move to the next level under the guise of an expeditionary force. One step outside the law is exponentially less criminal than two steps.
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Judging by their performance on Royal Commissions, they would probably use the laws to collect embarrassing info on their political opponents.
 
overhang said:
And now we have Abbott willing to waste another 60-100 million on a plebiscite that he has already ruled out running the same time as the election which would save a lot of tax payer dollars.
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This really grinds my gears. The plebiscite question aside, to throw $100m+ on a question that could just as easily be answered at the same time as people vote is totally unnecessary waste of money. What budget emergency?
 
overhang said:
I think most people were highly speculative of the motivations to hold the royal commission. Abbott has set a new precedent for dragging former government ministers into RCs. First we had the pink bat RC and not to downplay the deaths of 3 men but really how many lost their lives due to the invasion of Iraq which was all based on botched intel which has cost us a hell of a lot more than the pink batts and has now contributed into destabilizing the region that has given birth to ISIS.

Considering the cost of the RC is something like 80 million then really we need to see recommendations that will result in at least 80 million in productivity increases to consider this RC worthwhile.

And now we have Abbott willing to waste another 60-100 million on a plebiscite that he has already ruled out running the same time as the election which would save a lot of tax payer dollars. My bet is he will make it compulsory even though that isn't required for a plebiscite which again will raise costs as people are more likely to vote no if they're dragged to the polls unwillingly.

There is only so much more people will take of the national security fear mongering so Abbott can create his orwellian society that provides a short term boost in polls. They seem incapable of some meaningful tax reform, we had Joe Hockey only last week flagging tax cuts for the rich, what happened to this budget emergency?
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Are you saying the Green/Labor coalition would not have jumped at a similar opportunity?

Get real.
 
SirRumpole said:
Judging by their performance on Royal Commissions, they would probably use the laws to collect embarrassing info on their political opponents.
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they keep having them to root out evil doing by the ALP. Even the Curtin House fiasco (twice wasn't enough for the Libs). They set up one in 2003 using the construction industry as the avenue to attack Labor, then the home insulation commission to attack Gillard and Rudd, and now the one into trade unions to attack Bill Shorten.

Looking at the list is seems the Lab govts set up commissions to get to the root of problems that are non political and of a social impact import.
 
It cracks me up, how it is still all about Tony, amazing that he doesn't implode like Gillard did.

He has certainly copped 10 times more abuse, in the media, than she ever did.IMO

Obviously shows, he has character.:2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
It cracks me up, how it is still all about Tony, amazing that he doesn't implode like Gillard did.

He has certainly copped 10 times more abuse, in the media, than she ever did.IMO

Obviously shows, he has character.:2twocents
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SP....The Fabians are working overtime...The ABC may have even brought some help from Russia on 457 visas.:D
 
noco said:
SP....The Fabians are working overtime...The ABC may have even brought some help from Russia on 457 visas.:D
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The front page of the SMH every day, Abbott delaying issue, next day Abbott brings forward the same issue.

It is hilarious, reporters whipping Tisme, Sir Rumpole and Ifocus into a frenzy, first one way then the other.

Fairfax has Laborites chasing their tails, like rabid dogs :D,

They really need to back off a bit, or they will have the support base, peaking too early. lol,lol,lol
 
McLovin said:
Every poll puts them behind. Newspoll, Nielson, Roy Morgan, Fairfax, Reachtel.

The AFR has a poll of polls interactive graphic

http://www.afr.com/data/polling.aspx?type=pops&dimensions=wide
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banco said:
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Also got rid of the Rudd, Gillard, loony tunes merry go round, merry go round, merry go round.
 
banco said:
BUT THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS. THEY STOPPED THE BOATS.
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And just as well otherwise we would have been another $11 billion down the drain..:banghead:
 
sptrawler said:
The front page of the SMH every day, Abbott delaying issue, next day Abbott brings forward the same issue.

It is hilarious, reporters whipping Tisme, Sir Rumpole and Ifocus into a frenzy, first one way then the other.

Fairfax has Laborites chasing their tails, like rabid dogs :D,

They really need to back off a bit, or they will have the support base, peaking too early. lol,lol,lol
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You forgot Syd boy.....Haven't seen anything like for a long time....They are like flies around a honey pot.

ROFL
 
sptrawler said:
It cracks me up, how it is still all about Tony, amazing that he doesn't implode like Gillard did.

He has certainly copped 10 times more abuse, in the media, than she ever did.IMO

Obviously shows, he has character.:2twocents
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So, in your opinion, Tony Abbott will still be PM at the next election ?
 
SirRumpole said:
So, in your opinion, Tony Abbott will still be PM at the next election ?
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IMO he probably has a better chance than Shorten, Shorten is too beige and carrying too much baggage.

He is focusing too much on non essential issues, which plays to the Fairfax media, but isn't what is really worrying mainstream Australians.

I know the media beat up the anti Abbott story, but I think the majority of Australia think for themselves.

Well you would hope so, with the amount of money, we pour into education.:D

There really would be no sense in swapping out Abbott for anyone else, there wouldn't be enough time to bed it down, also Labor would have that covered.

People will have to chose their future, on who they think will reduce spending, Labor or the Coalition.

Because the reality is, unless we reduce spending we won't be able to pay welfare, pretty simple really.

Also you can't just find another person to tax, to pay for it, because you eventually run out of them.:D

Time will tell,
 
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