The Abbott Government

[sydboy007]

tis a shame there's not a great furore over youth unemployment

How anyone can support Abbott on his unlimited A380 loads of 457 Visas is beyond me



queue stereotype arguments that they're lazy and don't want to work etc etc.

 

[IFocus]

I seem to recall you recently saying something about acknowledging the success of the current government's border protection policies with your gripe being about the secrecy that effectively removed the shipping news service to people smugglers on the success or otherwise of their ventures.

I see though now that it's back to being about the kiddies.


They're coming out of detention and they're now mostly out of detention because this government has stopped Labor's boats.

See you avoided the moral dilemma of how children are treated in detention

 

[Bintang]

See you avoided the moral dilemma of how children are treated in detention

How about the treatment of thousands of children who will get forced onto unseaworthy boats under a Labor revived open-borders policy?

Will that treatment (combined with its proven risk of certain death to many of them) be better than the treatment of the few (and soon to be zero) remaining children in detention.

Do the people smugglers provide the following services?:

"…. education services, including English language instruction, cultural classes and sporting activities. Health care is provided soon after individuals are detained. Dental and hospital services are provided where required and medical care is available around the clock. Qualified chefs, in consultation with dieticians, prepare three meals per day. Detainees can assist in formulating culturally appropriate menus through the Detainee Representative Committees. Milk is available for children to drink. Recreational facilities such as playgrounds, toys and games are provided. 'Individually tailored management plans' are developed for all unaccompanied minors, taking into consideration special needs such as educational and social requirements".

 

[IFocus]

How about the treatment of thousands of children who will get forced onto unseaworthy boats under a Labor revived open-borders policy?

Will that treatment (combined with its proven risk of certain death to many of them) be better than the treatment of the few (and soon to be zero) remaining children in detention.

Cannot believe you have been suckered so easily with the attempted political attack by Abbott.

You miss the point once those children are in our care we are responsible for their treatment.

Abbott chose along with those complete fools in the senate enquiry to attack Triggs personally for what.....stating the obvious.

 

[Bintang]

Abbott chose along with those complete fools in the senate enquiry to attack Triggs personally for what.....stating the obvious.

The Government should go further than that. The HRC including Triggs' salary package costs the tax payer $25 million per year. I say close down the HRC, let Triggs go off and play lawn bowls and use the $25 million per year to help Brazilian street children:

Child Poverty in Brazil
http://www.childrenofbahia.com/childpoverty.htm
Street children are those that are not taken care of by parents or other protective guardians. Street children live in abandoned buildings, cardboard boxes, parks or on the street itself. Street children are deprived of family care and protection. Most children on the streets are between the ages of about 5 and 18 years old.

The life expectancy of a child living on the streets is terrifyingly low - few expect to reach their 18th Birthday.

Estimates on the numbers of Brazilian street children vary from 200,000 to 8 million. In one recent survey in São Paulo, 609 children were found to be sleeping on the streets. At least 50 were under 12 and unaccompanied by adult relations.

 

[banco]

Cannot believe you have been suckered so easily with the attempted political attack by Abbott.

You miss the point once those children are in our care we are responsible for their treatment.

Abbott chose along with those complete fools in the senate enquiry to attack Triggs personally for what.....stating the obvious.

But, but the only way to deprive the people smugglers of a product to sell is to make the children's' lives a living hell. It's their parents fault after all for bringing them here.

 

[Bintang]

But, but the only way to deprive the people smugglers of a product to sell is to make the children's' lives a living hell.

Cannot believe you have been suckered so easily …….

Labor and Greens want the people smugglers to have a product to sell and people like IFocus get suckered into believing it is good public policy.

 

[noco]

tis a shame there's not a great furore over youth unemployment

How anyone can support Abbott on his unlimited A380 loads of 457 Visas is beyond me

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queue stereotype arguments that they're lazy and don't want to work etc etc.

Sydboy, I cannot believe you have not educated yourself or read reports on why there are so many 457 visa offered......Are you in denial that most of those jobs are in remote locations and the unemployed city dwellers just do not want to give up city life....You keep harping on and on about these 457 visas and blame Abbott for it.........Companies have to prove Australians do not want certain work before they enter into applications for 457 visas.

So please stop complaining about overseas workers taking Australian jobs......There are plenty of jobs available in the fruit picking industry but some of the dole bludgers find that work too hard or too far from their sacred city life.

 

[Bintang]

……. some of the dole bludgers find that work too hard or too far from their sacred city life.

Especially the ones for whom there would be no local mosque to go to.

 

[explod]

....Companies have to prove Australians do not want certain work before they enter into applications for 457 visas.

So please stop complaining about overseas workers taking Australian jobs......There are plenty of jobs available in the fruit picking industry but some of the dole bludgers find that work too hard or too far from their sacred city life.

That is not true noco, only recently workers in Tasmania wanted to take on fruit picking but the farmer opted for 457,s and was paying them less than $2 an hour.

We are getting back to the concept of raddled sheep alright.

 

[banco]

There are plenty of ways to game the 457 visa process. IT companies will advertise something that requires high level skills ins a dozen areas, say they can't find anyone and then hire some indian with low level skills in one of those areas.

 

[Smurf1976]

only recently workers in Tasmania wanted to take on fruit picking but the farmer opted for 457,s and was paying them less than $2 an hour.

Plenty of unemployed locals who would be willing to give it a go. But the work isn't available to locals in the first place, and there's also a requirement to rent accommodation from the employer which makes it really only suitable for 457's and backpackers etc.

A 100% profits tax on such operators would not be at all unreasonable in my opinion. They are doing no good for Australian society whatsoever and we'd be better off without them, thus creating a market for a legit operator to come into and actually employ someone local.

 

[Bintang]

Plenty of unemployed locals who would be willing to give it a go. But the work isn't available to locals in the first place, and there's also a requirement to rent accommodation from the employer which makes it really only suitable for 457's and backpackers etc.

I don't follow. How can the work not be available to locals in the first place?

 

[sydboy007]

Sydboy, I cannot believe you have not educated yourself or read reports on why there are so many 457 visa offered......Are you in denial that most of those jobs are in remote locations and the unemployed city dwellers just do not want to give up city life....You keep harping on and on about these 457 visas and blame Abbott for it.........Companies have to prove Australians do not want certain work before they enter into applications for 457 visas.

So please stop complaining about overseas workers taking Australian jobs......There are plenty of jobs available in the fruit picking industry but some of the dole bludgers find that work too hard or too far from their sacred city life.

I posted a while back that the current Govt increase surveillance of the 457 visa programme by 20%. They had a 67% increase in the rate of non compliance detected.

* Murphy Pipe and Civil, repeatedly misled the Immigration Department to help Irish workers fraudulently obtain visas to work on the Queensland Curtis Liquefied Natural Gas project and West Australia's Sino Iron project.

* On 12 March 2014, the Government confirmed that employers would no longer be penalised if they breach the law on how many foreign workers they bring in to Australia. An employer approved for, say, five skilled staff from overseas can now bring in an unlimited number of labourers, without fear of government action.

* Mid last year the 7.30 Report found that Australian smallgoods firm Primo Meats had replaced its Australian workforce with young Taiwanese, employed through a labour hire company and sent to work without skills or an understanding of their rights or legal pay. The ABC reported that some workers were then subject to sexual harassment, unsafe workplaces and unlawful pay and conditions.

* Audits by the Fair Work Ombudsman have found up to 40 per cent of foreign workers employed under 457 visas were underpaid, not performing the jobs they were supposed to do or no longer employed by the person who sponsored their entry into Australia.

* The random audits by the Fair Work Ombudsman of 457 visa holders also identified 420 cases where people were no longer employed by their sponsor or whose sponsor could not be located, raising doubts about the bona fides of those visa applications.

* last month there was the report about 13 Chinese and 16 Filipino workers employed by Taiwanese company Chia Tung Development Corporation are working ten to eleven hours per day, seven days per week and earning $40 to $100 per day.

* Last year Morrisson said the current English-language requirements were "unnecessarily restrictive" and tantamount to "an industrial lockout" by unions. I mean why would you need to be able to understand English in Australia?

Lest we forget Gina's calls for us to compete better against Africans on $2 a day.

But no, I can understand why you don't believe there's a problem Noco. It's not like low and medium skilled jobs are being sold to foreigners or anything like that.

 

[noco]

I posted a while back that the current Govt increase surveillance of the 457 visa programme by 20%. They had a 67% increase in the rate of non compliance detected.

* Murphy Pipe and Civil, repeatedly misled the Immigration Department to help Irish workers fraudulently obtain visas to work on the Queensland Curtis Liquefied Natural Gas project and West Australia's Sino Iron project.

* On 12 March 2014, the Government confirmed that employers would no longer be penalised if they breach the law on how many foreign workers they bring in to Australia. An employer approved for, say, five skilled staff from overseas can now bring in an unlimited number of labourers, without fear of government action.

* Mid last year the 7.30 Report found that Australian smallgoods firm Primo Meats had replaced its Australian workforce with young Taiwanese, employed through a labour hire company and sent to work without skills or an understanding of their rights or legal pay. The ABC reported that some workers were then subject to sexual harassment, unsafe workplaces and unlawful pay and conditions.

* Audits by the Fair Work Ombudsman have found up to 40 per cent of foreign workers employed under 457 visas were underpaid, not performing the jobs they were supposed to do or no longer employed by the person who sponsored their entry into Australia.

* The random audits by the Fair Work Ombudsman of 457 visa holders also identified 420 cases where people were no longer employed by their sponsor or whose sponsor could not be located, raising doubts about the bona fides of those visa applications.

* last month there was the report about 13 Chinese and 16 Filipino workers employed by Taiwanese company Chia Tung Development Corporation are working ten to eleven hours per day, seven days per week and earning $40 to $100 per day.

* Last year Morrisson said the current English-language requirements were "unnecessarily restrictive" and tantamount to "an industrial lockout" by unions. I mean why would you need to be able to understand English in Australia?

Lest we forget Gina's calls for us to compete better against Africans on $2 a day.

But no, I can understand why you don't believe there's a problem Noco. It's not like low and medium skilled jobs are being sold to foreigners or anything like that.

Do you have links for all your so called reports or are these reports similar to Gillian Trigg just to suit the Green/Labor left wing socialist..Her report was all a pack of lies. So I would not be surprised if your reports were designed to discredit the Liberal Government and also stretching the truth to the limit.

 

[Tink]

Well going back to the polls.

The new poll in today favors Tony Abbott.

Senior Liberals believe the latest opinion poll shows voters do not want the party room to cut down Tony Abbott as prime minister.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-02/poll-boost-for-abbott-focus-shift-economy/6272636

I agree with your comment in the Turnbull thread, noco.
I wouldn't be happy if the Liberals put in Malcolm, as he is too far to the left.

I see the ABC now has a Liberal Leadership Turmoil section

 

[IFocus]

Well going back to the polls.

The new poll in today favors Tony Abbott.

Senior Liberals believe the latest opinion poll shows voters do not want the party room to cut down Tony Abbott as prime minister.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-02/poll-boost-for-abbott-focus-shift-economy/6272636

I agree with your comment in the Turnbull thread, noco.
I wouldn't be happy if the Liberals put in Malcolm, as he is too far to the left.

I see the ABC now has a Liberal Leadership Turmoil section

Labor will be breaking out the champagne Abbotts the best chance they have of re-election.

 

[noco]

Well going back to the polls.

The new poll in today favors Tony Abbott.

Senior Liberals believe the latest opinion poll shows voters do not want the party room to cut down Tony Abbott as prime minister.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-02/poll-boost-for-abbott-focus-shift-economy/6272636

I agree with your comment in the Turnbull thread, noco.
I wouldn't be happy if the Liberals put in Malcolm, as he is too far to the left.

I see the ABC now has a Liberal Leadership Turmoil section

With the latest opinion polls favoring the Liberal Party with great improvement, I should imagine some panic will be setting in on the Green/Labor left wing socialists including Malcolm Turnbull....Turnbull may not be so cocky now and who knows the Green/Labor coalition may start thinking of a new leader if Shorten keeps going down hill...The boot will be on the other foot for a change.....

People are starting to wake up to the propaganda and rhetoric of the socialists...Shortens negativity and lack of policy and ideas is beginning to resonate amongst the public....He stands for nothing...lack of vision..lack of ideas...he can't even allow his own savings of some $5 billion to go through the senate...What a miserable cad with absolutely no interest the in the National welfare...Just more wrecking of the economy.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/26470796/campaign-against-pm-dying-says-robb/

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't follow. How can the work not be available to locals in the first place?

Maybe they don't want to work for $2 per hour ?

My guess is that employers don't want to get involved with locals because locals have the capacity to organise and complain about pay and conditions whereas backpackers will take anything they can get. Also I think there would be a few 'grey nomads' who would follow the fruit picking around to finance their holidays.

 

[IFocus]

The Government should go further than that. The HRC including Triggs' salary package costs the tax payer $25 million per year. I say close down the HRC, let Triggs go off and play lawn bowls and use the $25 million per year to help Brazilian street children:

Child Poverty in Brazil
http://www.childrenofbahia.com/childpoverty.htm
Street children are those that are not taken care of by parents or other protective guardians. Street children live in abandoned buildings, cardboard boxes, parks or on the street itself. Street children are deprived of family care and protection. Most children on the streets are between the ages of about 5 and 18 years old.

The life expectancy of a child living on the streets is terrifyingly low - few expect to reach their 18th Birthday.

Estimates on the numbers of Brazilian street children vary from 200,000 to 8 million. In one recent survey in São Paulo, 609 children were found to be sleeping on the streets. At least 50 were under 12 and unaccompanied by adult relations.

A very practical approach Bintang but doesn't deal with the issue of the treatment of children in detention under various Australian governments who all fail to meet any standard we would expect including you.

Again Abbott and his dogs in the senate attacked the messenger not the issue I am surprised you all jumped on board not seeing the obvious.