The Abbott Government

[banco]

Labor lied about the deficit....the week before the 2013 election they stated $18 billion when in actual gact it was $48 billion.

Noco, the $18 billion figure actually comes from the secretary of the Treasury and the secretary of the finance department.

 

[moXJO]

Noco, the $18 billion figure actually comes from the secretary of the Treasury and the secretary of the finance department.

I'm pretty sure treasury puts out a few sets of numbers and labor quoted the lowest.

 

[SirRumpole]

I'm pretty sure treasury puts out a few sets of numbers and labor quoted the lowest.

And Hockey quoted the highest

 

[namrog]

From the US; a mob a tad more credible than the IPA. It's only with distance that you are able to perceive the true horror;

'A prominent US think tank has published a piece arguing that Tony Abbott is the most incompetent leader of an industrialised democracy and has 'proven so incapable' that he has to go.

Ah for Christ sake, It doesnt take some one from the US to state, that If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc etc.............

Abbott is toast, and surely he knows it, but does he know something that we don't ?, and is he trying to time his demise to ultimately benefit his party in the long run, as I suspect Howard may have gambled on, knowing that the 2008 financial crisis was upon us ..? Just a personal hunch and theory I have....

 

[banco]

I'm pretty sure treasury puts out a few sets of numbers and labor quoted the lowest.

I'm pretty sure you have zero idea what you're talking about. The 18 billion figure is from pre-election economic and fiscal outlook which the Secretaries of Treasury and Finance are obliged to put shortly after an election is called. They only provide one relevant figure.

 

[moXJO]

I'm pretty sure you have zero idea what you're talking about. The 18 billion figure is from pre-election economic and fiscal outlook which the Secretaries of Treasury and Finance are obliged to put shortly after an election is called. They only provide one relevant figure.

Are you sure? Because being "pretty" sure sounds like hedging your bets.
I remember treasury saying something about releasing different sets of figures-worst case , middle of the road and best outlook. It is entirely possible it was not for these figures

 

[Logique]

I have listened and good government starts now.

By scapegoating Phillip Ruddock. Sacking a respected 41 year veteran, and replacing him with loyalist cronies.

Did Dame Credlin authorize this.

I think 61-39 just narrowed.

 

[basilio]

You have to give Abbott credit for being industrious. Particularly when it comes to digging his political grave.

Dumping Phillip Ruddock as Party Whip because the back bench was so xissed off is worth at least another three feet of digging. By the time he has finished his grave he will be able to fit the whole party.

Tony Abbott decision to dump Philip Ruddock after spill motion angers backbench

Date
February 14, 2015 - 6:30AM


Philip Ruddock axed as Chief Whip
Tony Abbott's near-death experience in spill attempt

Tony Abbott has again fanned the flames of insurrection in his ranks by gratuitously dumping veteran party Whip Philip Ruddock in the wake of this week's attempted spill motion.

The move has angered many on his backbench and threatens to reopen the leadership question after some who stuck with him revealed they were appalled at the vindictiveness and sheer brutality of the move on Mr Ruddock.
In better times: Philip Ruddock helps then Opposition Leader Tony Abbott with his high vis vest in West Melbourne in 2013.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...-motion-angers-backbench-20150213-13ekeh.html

 

[IFocus]

Are you sure? Because being "pretty" sure sounds like hedging your bets.
I remember treasury saying something about releasing different sets of figures-worst case , middle of the road and best outlook. It is entirely possible it was not for these figures

As far as I know its one set of numbers regardless its gone up with the Coalitions extra spending and hand outs.

I think this mob are a train wreck even with a leadership change Abbott this week has confirmed this on all fronts except one and thats their protests over the proposed execution of two members of the Bali 9.

The protests are unusual from the Coalition wondering if its to help cover up the fact that it was a Coalition Government that put them into this position?

 

[Julia]

Are you sure? Because being "pretty" sure sounds like hedging your bets.
I remember treasury saying something about releasing different sets of figures-worst case , middle of the road and best outlook. It is entirely possible it was not for these figures

I have a similar recollection, going back probably a year or more.

I have listened and good government starts now.

By scapegoating Phillip Ruddock. Sacking a respected 41 year veteran, and replacing him with loyalist cronies.

Did Dame Credlin authorize this.

I think 61-39 just narrowed.

This is just one more example of how Mr Abbott has lost the plot completely. That he could behave in such a blatantly childishly spiteful way toward a highly respected Liberal figure must be alienating what supporters he had left.

The sooner someone, for my money Julie Bishop, makes a definitive move against him the better.
I've never liked Malcolm Turnbull but there's no chance he could be worse than Abbott.

 

[Tisme]

That is because they are unbiased and had good reason to be critical
.

Do you ever hear the ABC and their associate programs rubbish.

I have to say I must watch the wrong shows because the only times I see criticisms are the rare occasion I watch the DRUM and the odd Q&A, but they are patently obvious personal opinions from talking heads. They certainly aren't 10@10 Andrew Bolt shows.

 

[Tisme]

Clive speech education

 

[Knobby22]

Can someone tell Abbott to stop talking down to us.
"Bad people" etc. I find it insulting.

 

[Julia]

I appreciate your point, Knobby, but there are hundreds of thousands out there in voter land with whom "bad people" would resonate strongly.

Is it worth it, though, to further alienate the more discerning? I doubt that it matters much what he says at this stage. The discussion seems to have moved on to who will be the better replacement - Mr Turnbull or Ms Bishop.
Mr Turnbull has noticeably shifted his commentary from 'loyal support' to decidedly critical, at least over the sacking of Philip Ruddock. Presumably he's feeling his way upwards.

 

[sydboy007]

I appreciate your point, Knobby, but there are hundreds of thousands out there in voter land with whom "bad people" would resonate strongly.

Is it worth it, though, to further alienate the more discerning? I doubt that it matters much what he says at this stage. The discussion seems to have moved on to who will be the better replacement - Mr Turnbull or Ms Bishop.
Mr Turnbull has noticeably shifted his commentary from 'loyal support' to decidedly critical, at least over the sacking of Philip Ruddock. Presumably he's feeling his way upwards.

many feel Abbott's treatment of Ruddock was disloyal, so I'd say MT is on safe ground to be critical of the captain's call.

It's just yet another demonstration of Abbott's lack of judgement. Considering the slap down he gave a back bencher after the budget, it's a bit rich for Abbott to complain Ruddock wasn't getting the feedback required for Abbott to truly understand how alienated the back bench was.

I don't think he even gets it that the invisible man garnered nearly as many free votes in the spill motion as he did.

I'd prefer the political agenda was reset to focus on the below graph. BREE are being heroic in their assumptions a lot of under the water potential projects will make sense in a few years when the price of I/O Coal LNG are in a falling elevator waiting to over shoot the cost base of the marginal producer. There is nothing in the near future that is going to replace even a decent chunk of the below mining CAPEX cliff.



This chart from FMG presentation could sum up the choice the RBA made for Australia during the ramp up of the resource boom.

 

[Tisme]

It's just yet another demonstration of Abbott's lack of judgement. Considering the slap down he gave a back bencher after the budget, it's a bit rich for Abbott to complain Ruddock wasn't getting the feedback required for Abbott to truly understand how alienated the back bench was.

The way I look at it :- he got the Captain's job over Malcolm by one vote back in the day; that margin has increased = sweet.

 

[sydboy007]

Seems like Abbott has quickly stepped beyond the bounds of Jul-liar

The ever trustworthy Australian reported last week about how Abbott and Abe had a gentleman's agreement that Australia would buy Japanese subs in return for the FTA being signed.

Then Abbott does a behind the scenes deal with the SA senators for their votes in return for a verbal contract of an open tender for the submarine contract.

Somehow between that weekend verbal contract and the Monday after the libspill vote, Abbott was now calling it an evaluation rather than a tender. I suppose he had to flag to Abe that their gentleman's agreement was still in play. Definitely 4 votes for Turnbull after that reneging on a promise.

But the first sub is unlikely to arrive for a decade, so what's the rush Tony? We're talking medicare for a year to build the subs, and I think I'd like to see the rationale behind us buying them. What military alternatives could that funding be used for?

I seem to remember Tony complaining day after day about Labor not having a CBA for the NBN (though he was quite happy to promise roads funding for projects without a CBA thereby breaking a pre election promise before even getting into office) but how can you guarantee that we will get the best subs at the best price without an open tender? It seems the more money being spent on a pet project the less willing the Liberals are willing to examine the rationale for the spending.

 

[banco]

I appreciate your point, Knobby, but there are hundreds of thousands out there in voter land with whom "bad people" would resonate strongly.

Probably the same dummies who apparently lap up the tired sports analogies: "team australia" and "captain's pick".

 

[Tink]

Liberal voters split over Abbott future

Liberal voters are split over whether Tony Abbott should be dumped as leader.

The latest Essential poll published on Tuesday found 48 per cent of coalition voters believed Mr Abbott should stay on as leader until the next election due in 2016.

But 34 per cent said he should be given six months to improve and 14 per cent said he should be removed immediately.

Thirty-nine per cent of all voters said he should be replaced as soon as possible, while 22 per cent gave him six months and 28 per cent said he should be kept on to the election.

Asked whether Mr Abbott would still be leader at the election, 61 per cent said no, including 40 per cent of coalition voters.


http://www.skynews.com.au/news/poli.../liberal-voters-split-over-abbott-future.html

 

[sydboy007]

If this is ending the age of entitlement, then we truly have no hope left for sound economic policy from this Govt.

Scott Morrison said tackling rules that deter people from selling the family home and buying a smaller, cheaper properties “needs further consideration”.

Many age pensioners are reluctant to sell their home because the cash affects their eligibility for the pension under the income test…

Although enabling pensioners to downsize, yet keep the pension would most likely cost the budget money, Mr Morrison argued that enabling retirees to cash in the equity in their homes would be good for the economy because of the extra disposable income it would create.

This is hot on the heels for a blanket ban on including the primary residence in the pension assets test from Morrison.

Each decision like this just goes to show that those under the age of 45 lost the intergenerational ware before a single shot was fired.